1080i HDTV on a DLP Projector Sets my ass on FIRE

[p0b0ye]

I see the difference, hell, everybody that sees it on my tv sees it.

 

[phreakah]

i just got a 50" panasonic LCD w/ hd directv... how do i set it to 1080i? (it does support it, it says it on the front of the tv)

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: phreakah
i just got a 50" panasonic LCD w/ hd directv... how do i set it to 1080i? (it does support it, it says it on the front of the tv)

your display will take everything and convert it to 720p.

 

[bcterps]

Originally posted by: phreakah
i just got a 50" panasonic LCD w/ hd directv... how do i set it to 1080i? (it does support it, it says it on the front of the tv)

It would be better to feed 720p directly into your set than 1080i. Less conversion of the original signal = better 🙂

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Anubis
ok thats great i still cant tell the diff between HD and regular TV

you are still a complete and *blind* moron, im convinced you have never seen HDTV before.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
FiLeZz you still have that old business-class DLP projector right? I'm telling you man, you need to upgrade!<BR>

Originally posted by: cablegod<BR>1080i sucks. 720p is where it's at.

<BR>1080p is where it will be at.🙂

1080i is interlaced, so rather than 60 frames a sec, its 60 field or half frames a sec.

A lot of TV, especially news and sports and many sitcoms, is 60fps. All other things aside, you would probably get the best picture out of 720p then, unless you have a killer deinterlacer for 1080i.

But most movies are 24fps. 1080i can still display 30 full frames a second(60 half frames), and since that is well above 24fps, youd get a much better picture out of 1080i.

AFAIK 1080p isnt an official HDTV res, it will just be deinterlaced and upsampled 1080i. You wont see it over 30fps. But for film, you wont find any better. I wish they had just made 1080p a standard from the start.

Right now all DLPs are 720p. Most CRTs are 1080i, but then again, they cant actually resolve all those pixels, so it wouldnt look that much better than 720p to begin with.

Once the 1080p DLPs come out, the rest will be childs play.

 

[Arkitech]

I have a TV that supports 480p and 1080i, what happens if I watch a program in 720p? Will it upconvert the signal or will it be taken down to 480?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
I have a TV that supports 480p and 1080i, what happens if I watch a program in 720p? Will it upconvert the signal or will it be taken down to 480?

totally depends on the TV as to what it will do with it. most likely it will take it down to 540p and then interlace it to 1080i.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
I have a TV that supports 480p and 1080i, what happens if I watch a program in 720p? Will it upconvert the signal or will it be taken down to 480?

Depends on the TV. My TV quite simply cant accept 720p, although its a bit older. Most recent ones will upconvert it. AFAIK, very few, if not zero CRT tvs can natively display 720p, although I'd like to know for sure.

More than likely your cable/ota/sat box can do the upconvert for you, as it does in my case.

 

[faZZter]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
FiLeZz you still have that old business-class DLP projector right? I'm telling you man, you need to upgrade!<BR>

Originally posted by: cablegod<BR>1080i sucks. 720p is where it's at.

<BR>1080p is where it will be at.🙂

1080i is interlaced, so rather than 60 frames a sec, its 60 field or half frames a sec.

A lot of TV, especially news and sports and many sitcoms, is 60fps. All other things aside, you would probably get the best picture out of 720p then, unless you have a killer deinterlacer for 1080i.

But most movies are 24fps. 1080i can still display 30 full frames a second(60 half frames), and since that is well above 24fps, youd get a much better picture out of 1080i.

AFAIK 1080p isnt an official HDTV res, it will just be deinterlaced and upsampled 1080i. You wont see it over 30fps. But for film, you wont find any better. I wish they had just made 1080p a standard from the start.

Right now all DLPs are 720p. Most CRTs are 1080i, but then again, they cant actually resolve all those pixels, so it wouldnt look that much better than 720p to begin with.

Once the 1080p DLPs come out, the rest will be childs play.

My Samsung does 1080i and it is a DLP projection TV.

1080i looks better than 720p except in fast framerate applications like video games, in which case 720p is superior.

 

[phreakah]

Originally posted by: benchiu

Originally posted by: phreakah
i just got a 50" panasonic LCD w/ hd directv... how do i set it to 1080i? (it does support it, it says it on the front of the tv)

It would be better to feed 720p directly into your set than 1080i. Less conversion of the original signal = better 🙂

ah, i see...

is there a setting or something on my dvd player or cable box i need to do to have it at 720p? or does everything do this automatically? sorry, i'm an hdtv n00b 😀

 

[spidey07]

fatzer,

your TV is a fixed pixel display. Everything is displayed at 720p.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: faZZter

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
FiLeZz you still have that old business-class DLP projector right? I'm telling you man, you need to upgrade!<BR>

Originally posted by: cablegod<BR>1080i sucks. 720p is where it's at.

<BR>1080p is where it will be at.🙂

1080i is interlaced, so rather than 60 frames a sec, its 60 field or half frames a sec.

A lot of TV, especially news and sports and many sitcoms, is 60fps. All other things aside, you would probably get the best picture out of 720p then, unless you have a killer deinterlacer for 1080i.

But most movies are 24fps. 1080i can still display 30 full frames a second(60 half frames), and since that is well above 24fps, youd get a much better picture out of 1080i.

AFAIK 1080p isnt an official HDTV res, it will just be deinterlaced and upsampled 1080i. You wont see it over 30fps. But for film, you wont find any better. I wish they had just made 1080p a standard from the start.

Right now all DLPs are 720p. Most CRTs are 1080i, but then again, they cant actually resolve all those pixels, so it wouldnt look that much better than 720p to begin with.

Once the 1080p DLPs come out, the rest will be childs play.

My Samsung does 1080i and it is a DLP projection TV.

1080i looks better than 720p except in fast framerate applications like video games, in which case 720p is superior.

Your samsung can accept a 1080i signal, but it is outputting it as 720p. As to why it looks better, its probably having more to do with the actual transfer than the fact its 1080i.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: phreakah

Originally posted by: benchiu

Originally posted by: phreakah
i just got a 50" panasonic LCD w/ hd directv... how do i set it to 1080i? (it does support it, it says it on the front of the tv)

It would be better to feed 720p directly into your set than 1080i. Less conversion of the original signal = better 🙂

ah, i see...

is there a setting or something on my dvd player or cable box i need to do to have it at 720p? or does everything do this automatically? sorry, i'm an hdtv n00b 😀

DVDs are 480p only, so unless you have an upconverting dvd player, it wont matter. Which I doubt because if you were the kind of person to have such a DVD player, you wouldnt be asking the question.

As far as the cable box goes, if its an HD box, check the menu.

 

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: Anubis
ok thats great i still cant tell the diff between HD and regular TV

you are still a complete and *blind* moron, im convinced you have never seen HDTV before.

Agreed, i have one of the cheaper hdtv's on the market and EVERYONE that has come over can tell a VERY big difference.
Anubis, feel free to come over anytime for the beaver documentary on hd discovery. 😀

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: BD2003
AFAIK 1080p isnt an official HDTV res, it will just be deinterlaced and upsampled 1080i. You wont see it over 30fps. But for film, you wont find any better. I wish they had just made 1080p a standard from the start.

Where'd you get this bologne from? 1080p is not a ATSC broadcast standard... yet. Content can and will come in 1080p in the near future, most notably in the form of Blu-ray and HD DVD media. ESPN is already talking about camming their sports programs in 1080p in the next couple years and that's for satellite and cable television.

Not sure where the rest of your rant is directed at.

Originally posted by: faZZter
My Samsung does 1080i and it is a DLP projection TV.

1080i looks better than 720p except in fast framerate applications like video games, in which case 720p is superior.

Your Samsung will accept a 1080i input signal. However, the display chip can natively render only 720p. Any signal other than 720p will be up or downconverted to the native resolution. You can possibly argue that content scaled down from 1080i looks better than a native 720p signal, but I'm not sure I would agree with you - especially with the scaler found in the Samsung.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: BD2003
AFAIK 1080p isnt an official HDTV res, it will just be deinterlaced and upsampled 1080i. You wont see it over 30fps. But for film, you wont find any better. I wish they had just made 1080p a standard from the start.

Where'd you get this bologne from? 1080p is not a ATSC broadcast standard... yet. Content can and will come in 1080p in the near future, most notably in the form of Blu-ray and HD DVD media. ESPN is already talking about camming their sports programs in 1080p in the next couple years and that's for satellite and cable television.

Not sure where the rest of your rant is directed at.

Its always been my understanding that when HDTV was originally conceived, it was 480p, 720p, 1080i. But that is why I said AFAIK. If 1080p is a standard or is an upcoming standard its news to me, and I'm glad to hear it. But for all intents and purposes, film could just as easily be stored on the HDDVD as 1080i, and the player can upconvert it to 1080p, as current DVD players upconvert 480i to 480p. If thats changed or wrong, again, I'm happy to see it, as I'd love nothing more than to see 60fps programming in full 1080p.

That being said, as far as support and compatibility goes, it still would have been better to have it in there from the start.

 

[bcterps]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: BD2003
AFAIK 1080p isnt an official HDTV res, it will just be deinterlaced and upsampled 1080i. You wont see it over 30fps. But for film, you wont find any better. I wish they had just made 1080p a standard from the start.

Where'd you get this bologne from? 1080p is not a ATSC broadcast standard... yet. Content can and will come in 1080p in the near future, most notably in the form of Blu-ray and HD DVD media. ESPN is already talking about camming their sports programs in 1080p in the next couple years and that's for satellite and cable television.

Not sure where the rest of your rant is directed at.

Its always been my understanding that when HDTV was originally conceived, it was 480p, 720p, 1080i. But that is why I said AFAIK. If 1080p is a standard or is an upcoming standard its news to me, and I'm glad to hear it. But for all intents and purposes, film could just as easily be stored on the HDDVD as 1080i, and the player can upconvert it to 1080p, as current DVD players upconvert 480i to 480p. If thats changed or wrong, again, I'm happy to see it, as I'd love nothing more than to see 60fps programming in full 1080p.

That being said, as far as support and compatibility goes, it still would have been better to have it in there from the start.

480p is not HDTV, that is EDTV. HDTV is defined as 720p and above (1080i, 1080p, etc.)

 

[erikistired]

so when is movie night? i'll even bring the popcorn.

 

[faZZter]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: faZZter

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
FiLeZz you still have that old business-class DLP projector right? I'm telling you man, you need to upgrade!<BR>

Originally posted by: cablegod<BR>1080i sucks. 720p is where it's at.

<BR>1080p is where it will be at.🙂

1080i is interlaced, so rather than 60 frames a sec, its 60 field or half frames a sec.

A lot of TV, especially news and sports and many sitcoms, is 60fps. All other things aside, you would probably get the best picture out of 720p then, unless you have a killer deinterlacer for 1080i.

But most movies are 24fps. 1080i can still display 30 full frames a second(60 half frames), and since that is well above 24fps, youd get a much better picture out of 1080i.

AFAIK 1080p isnt an official HDTV res, it will just be deinterlaced and upsampled 1080i. You wont see it over 30fps. But for film, you wont find any better. I wish they had just made 1080p a standard from the start.

Right now all DLPs are 720p. Most CRTs are 1080i, but then again, they cant actually resolve all those pixels, so it wouldnt look that much better than 720p to begin with.

Once the 1080p DLPs come out, the rest will be childs play.

My Samsung does 1080i and it is a DLP projection TV.

1080i looks better than 720p except in fast framerate applications like video games, in which case 720p is superior.

Your samsung can accept a 1080i signal, but it is outputting it as 720p. As to why it looks better, its probably having more to do with the actual transfer than the fact its 1080i.

Ahhhh, I see. Very interesting.

Question then.........why does it have one component input that can only do 480i/p and two others that do 480p through 1080i? Why can't all 3 do all of them?

 

[spidey07]

that was a design decision by samsung (and a big blunder as well)

That problem has since been corrected and all component inputs can take 480i/480p/720p/1080i.

Also to the point about 1080p not being HDTV. There are a whole slew of approved HDTV formats. 480p, 540p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and others.

Forgot where the table that lists them is though.

 

[BD2003]

480p is not HDTV, that is EDTV. HDTV is defined as 720p and above (1080i, 1080p, etc.)

No duh, but theres no need to get to detailed. There are very very few EDTVs made, and a vast number of HDs. For the vast majority of people 480p = something you only get on a HDTV.

As far as the inputs go, my samsung RPTV is the same way, and its irritating. I cant play some xbox games on it because they are only 480i, and I want to use the 1080i jack for it.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: spidey07
that was a design decision by samsung (and a big blunder as well)

That problem has since been corrected and all component inputs can take 480i/480p/720p/1080i.

Also to the point about 1080p not being HDTV. There are a whole slew of approved HDTV formats. 480p, 540p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and others.

Forgot where the table that lists them is though.

From what Ive heard as well, youve got them all listed, with the exception of 960i, and I suppose 960p. Might be proper to include 540i as well. I've heard 1440i (half 720p) thrown around as well, although Ive never seen a tv that can display it.

 

[thomsbrain]

it's so good i can't spell "explain," or "too," or use a question mark on a question, or use anything resembling grammar!

ENGLISH MVTHERFVCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT?

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
it's so good i can't spell "explain," or "too," or use a question mark on a question, or use anything resembling grammar!

ENGLISH MVTHERFVCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Damn, a lot of spelling and grammer nazis in this thread.