Question 1070Ti black screen with fan full speed after entering Windows 10

[Massive79]

Hi all

I'm experiencing black screen with GPU fan in all speed a moment after entering Windows 10.

My spec is :
ASUS P6X58D premium
Intel W5680@4.4Ghz@1.3125v with Noctua D14. Speedstep and C1 enabled.
Colorful 1070Ti 8GB (have 2xPCIE 8pin)
Corsair 32GB PC 3200 Triple Channel@1704 (4x8GB)
Seasonic X760 Gold
ADATA SX8200 Pro on PCIE slot 2 (system file)
Samsung 860 EVO 512GB on Mobo Marvel SATA3
Samsung 860 QVO (System file backup) on Mobo Marvel SATA 3
Seagate LP - 2TB & WD Black 1TB on Intel X58
USB 3 converter on PCIE slot 3
Auzentech Prelude SC on PCI
Monitor MSI MAG271CQR
Phanteks Enthoo Pro M SE

What I've done :
1. Update drivers with the current one --> problem still exist
2. Boot to my backup Windows 10system in Samsung QVO which is first after I install it (I can assume this is like installing Windows 10 fresh) --> problem still exist
3. Check my RAM with memtest --> 12 hours with no error
4. Change my VGA, with Gigabyte 1070Ti (have 1x PCIE 8pin) --> same error happened...black screen and fan full speed moment after entering Windows 10 desktop.
(This gigabyte card has been opened and changed to thermal grizzly Kryonaut as some website suggesting to try to change thermalpaste which is didn't work for me.)
5. Change my VGA with an 9800GT (with no PCIE pin)--> fixed all problem. Windows 10 is normal
(what funny is, after changing it to 9800GT, my shutdown problem dissapear. Previously with 1070Ti everytime I shutdown my computer, it turned back on again always, I have to force shutdown in PSU or by long pressing power button)
5. Lastly, go to Windows 10 safe mode with 1070 Ti, and it is all normal, no black screen or crash etc. I turn it on in safe mode for 12 hours just to test it. (Do safe mode load GPU?)

Before that error happened, I was playing Assassin Creed Oddysey, and it suddenly come into desktop, and not long after that the black screen and GPU fan full speed happened.
This had happened previously, but with several restart and force shut down it not happening again. Everything ok for more less 3 weeks, until now.

I'm suspecting my PSU or my motherboard, as my PSU is more like 8 or 10 years in use, but in AIDA the PSU rail seem ok, like below :

CPU Core	1.304 V
+3.3 V	3.232 V
+5 V	5.016 V
+12 V	12.096 V
+5 V Standby	5.139 V
Battery Input	217.000 V
Battery Output	217.000 V
GPU Core	1.050 V

I'm afraid if I change my PSU and it turn out that it is my mobo, as I'm aware that mobo PCIE slot also give around + 75w power to VGA, which can also lead to PCIE slot not giving enough power to Mobo.

Is there anything that I check you up with before changing my PSU or mobo?

Or does someone have experiencing this before and have specific workaround?

 

[VirtualLarry]

From the description that you provided, it sound pretty-much like the PSU. Especially if it's 8 years old.

 

[Massive79]

From the description that you provided, it sound pretty-much like the PSU. Especially if it's 8 years old.

Will it give more confirmation tha it is really a PSU if it turn out that on Windows safe mode everything is ok?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, chances are, it was either the GPU, or the PSU. You tried a similar GPU (similar model, similar power-consumption level), and it also had the issue. So that meant that the problem wasn't just a "bad card". Yet, you tried an older GPU (with lower power-consumption), and that worked.

Given your admission that the PSU is 8-10 years old, consider getting or borrowing a newer PSU of appropriate wattage, and testing out the original 1070 and maybe the second one too, and see if they both don't just work fine with the updated PSU.

 

[Massive79]

Well, chances are, it was either the GPU, or the PSU. You tried a similar GPU (similar model, similar power-consumption level), and it also had the issue. So that meant that the problem wasn't just a "bad card". Yet, you tried an older GPU (with lower power-consumption), and that worked.

Given your admission that the PSU is 8-10 years old, consider getting or borrowing a newer PSU of appropriate wattage, and testing out the original 1070 and maybe the second one too, and see if they both don't just work fine with the updated PSU.

Ok I think I should buy a new PSU since the old one might be aged.
I thought bad PSU can reflect by seeing its rail under normal condition, which in my case all +3, +5 and +12 rails are just fine.

For update, I've tried uninstalling all Nvidia related app and driver in safe mode, and after that I restart it and go to normal mode, IT WORKED. Without nvidia driver it go to desktop just fine, try it for browsing and read my document went fine for an hour.
And then I install the latest nvidia driver again (version 445.75), driver only. When installing, monitor blink one time, but it come back to desktop, but 1 minute later same thing happening again...black screen with full fan speed.

I guess it might be something about the driver, or my GPU refuse to work when all feature on.

O yeah, I also have try run my system in default with no overclock at all, and result is the same, so it is not because the overclock.

 

[VirtualLarry]

O yeah, I also have try run my system in default with no overclock at all, and result is the same, so it is not because the overclock.

I guess I missed that. Is the CPU overclocked, the GPU, or both? Set them both back to stock/default settings for testing.

 

[VirtualLarry]

What do the rails show, when doing an OCCT : PSU Test load? Or Furmark + Prime95? Chances are, they will drop. Obv., you'll have to try that with the 9800GT, as the 1070ti cards do "black screen" just from loading drivers and booting Windows.

It might not hurt to use DDU from TechPowerUp to remove all older drivers, and try a fresh set, if you haven't already.

Also, do you have MSI Afterburner or EVGA PrecisionX installed? Might be a conflict between the GPU-tweak software and the NV drivers. Sometimes (rarely) there is, or with the in-game overlay feature of one or both of those, at times.

 

[Iron Woode]

Ok I think I should buy a new PSU since the old one might be aged.
I thought bad PSU can reflect by seeing its rail under normal condition, which in my case all +3, +5 and +12 rails are just fine.

For update, I've tried uninstalling all Nvidia related app and driver in safe mode, and after that I restart it and go to normal mode, IT WORKED. Without nvidia driver it go to desktop just fine, try it for browsing and read my document went fine for an hour.
And then I install the latest nvidia driver again (version 445.75), driver only. When installing, monitor blink one time, but it come back to desktop, but 1 minute later same thing happening again...black screen with full fan speed.

I guess it might be something about the driver, or my GPU refuse to work when all feature on.

O yeah, I also have try run my system in default with no overclock at all, and result is the same, so it is not because the overclock.

you could try a spare hard drive with a fresh install of windows to see if the OS is the problem.

I suspect the PSU as well.

 

[Massive79]

What do the rails show, when doing an OCCT : PSU Test load? Or Furmark + Prime95? Chances are, they will drop. Obv., you'll have to try that with the 9800GT, as the 1070ti cards do "black screen" just from loading drivers and booting Windows.

It might not hurt to use DDU from TechPowerUp to remove all older drivers, and try a fresh set, if you haven't already.

Also, do you have MSI Afterburner or EVGA PrecisionX installed? Might be a conflict between the GPU-tweak software and the NV drivers. Sometimes (rarely) there is, or with the in-game overlay feature of one or both of those, at times.

So OCCT have PSU test load? I will try it then.

What is DDU?

I have MSI Afterburner installed, so you mean this could also conflicting with nvidia driver?
I'll try to uninstall it and see what happen then.
I use MSI Afterburner only to see my GPU status as Colorful doesn't have compatible software for X58 mobo. No tweaking done to GPU though

 

[VirtualLarry]

What is DDU?

Display Driver Un-installer. Really cleans things out, as far as display drivers go. Some people say to do it in Safe Mode, then re-boot into Normal mode, and re-install newest driver version for your card.

I have MSI Afterburner installed, so you mean this could also conflicting with nvidia driver?
I'll try to uninstall it and see what happen then.

It has, for certain versions of AB and certain NV driver versions, in the past. Worth a shot, at least.

 

[Massive79]

you could try a spare hard drive with a fresh install of windows to see if the OS is the problem.

I suspect the PSU as well.

I do have backup system in my Samsung QVO, it right after I install Windows 10, install VGA driver and MSI afterburner, and then I cloned it to my SX8200 pro, my current working drive.

I've tried boot from the QVO, which I assume more likely like fresh install, and the result is the same, black screen and full fan vga right after come in desktop.

Thanks for your input, so you think its the PSu as well right?

I'll try DDU and uninstalling Afterburner and see the result.

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[Massive79]

I've try these activities with no result and still resulting black screen and full VG fan spinning.

1. Uninstalling MSI Afterburner in safe mode with Revo Uninstaller
2. Use DDU in safe mode, by Clean and restart.

It turns out ok in next normal mode, but when installing NVIDIA driver, every around 60-70% black screen and VGA fan spinning happening again.

Looks like each time driver loaded, the error come up again.

I guess now it might be my GPU, Mobo or PSU, I'm trying to narrow down the options but still not sure.

 

[Massive79]

Update...this is My OCCT result in Power Mode for around 3 minutes load :




The fur test graphic is stuttering since I'm not loading the drivers.

Can I say that the PSU is failing?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I don't think that quite conclusively says that your PSU is failing, but the +5V and +12V lines are showing a little low (though those may still technically be in-spec, just barely. But not a good look.)

OTOH, you know what they say about software readings, too, that they are often inaccurate, and you should get out a DVM and measure on a molex.

 

[Massive79]

I don't think that quite conclusively says that your PSU is failing, but the +5V and +12V lines are showing a little low (though those may still technically be in-spec, just barely. But not a good look.)

OTOH, you know what they say about software readings, too, that they are often inaccurate, and you should get out a DVM and measure on a molex.

😄, maybe that's just me wanting PSU that failed instead my GPU 😃

Anyway, I think since driver is not loaded, and I see 0 MB used in GPU when running OCCT Power, I think the rail graph is not fair as well as the system is not loading the VGA in full power so it is not drawing the power it need from the PSU.

My PSU has 4x 6+2 cable PCIE, I have tried them all and same result.

I'm not familiar on testing directly from molex do I need special tools for that?

 

[DonCaliOni]

Hi mate, I made an account just to respond to this and hopefully save you a lot of hassle and/or money!

I'm having the exact same issue.. Its an issue with the driver (version 445.75) and nothing to do with your hardware.

Your best bet is to try and roll back to an older driver for now until an update gets released. Quite a few people are having similar issues, just Google 'Geforce 445.75 crash' (or Nvidia instead of Geforce) and you'll see.

I uninstalled the driver from device manager, then restarted, and the driver reverted back to one from January 2019, and it's been fine since (I believe this is the version everyone gets, before they then update to the current one - I had GeForce Experience installed and didn't uninstall it by the way).

You may just want to roll back to just the previous version - I didn't have this option, as I freshly installed windows to try to fix this damn issue, only to then realise it was the driver update all along!

Give it a try and let me know how you get on!

 

[Iron Woode]

one last idea:

can you try the card in another system? That would tell you if the card is the problem.

 

[Massive79]

Hi mate, I made an account just to respond to this and hopefully save you a lot of hassle and/or money!

I'm having the exact same issue.. Its an issue with the driver (version 445.75) and nothing to do with your hardware.

Your best bet is to try and roll back to an older driver for now until an update gets released. Quite a few people are having similar issues, just Google 'Geforce 445.75 crash' (or Nvidia instead of Geforce) and you'll see.

I uninstalled the driver from device manager, then restarted, and the driver reverted back to one from January 2019, and it's been fine since (I believe this is the version everyone gets, before they then update to the current one - I had GeForce Experience installed and didn't uninstall it by the way).

You may just want to roll back to just the previous version - I didn't have this option, as I freshly installed windows to try to fix this damn issue, only to then realise it was the driver update all along!

Give it a try and let me know how you get on!

Hi bro

I appreciate it that you letting me know about it.
I searched about 445.75, and you're right...and also my problem begin after the update to 445.75. Nvidia also admit there's something wrong with the driver and have a hotfix which has not been official first at 445.78 --> GeForce Hotfix Driver version 445.78

Do u know which version is safe to install? because I usually delete previous driver everytime I download it again, so I don't have previous driver.

one last idea:

can you try the card in another system? That would tell you if the card is the problem.

Unfortunately I don't have other system, and since currently we are on social distancing here now I prefer not to go to someone place now until situation getting better.

Better buy new hardware, but I'm trying to narrow down which one that error so at least it can save me from buying things I don't need.

 

[DonCaliOni]

Hi bro

I appreciate it that you letting me know about it.
I searched about 445.75, and you're right...and also my problem begin after the update to 445.75. Nvidia also admit there's something wrong with the driver and have a hotfix which has not been official first at 445.78 --> GeForce Hotfix Driver version 445.78

Do u know which version is safe to install? because I usually delete previous driver everytime I download it again, so I don't have previous driver.

Hi mate, that hot fix doesn't fix the issue we are having, it only fixes a separate issue that is also causing the PC to crash.

I didn't have a previous driver installed either. All I did was uninstall the driver (just in case you're not sure what I mean: go to the start button, type device manager, open device manager, find your GPU, right click and then uninstall device), then restart the PC, and when the PC turns back on, it should automatically install the original driver that comes with GeForce Experience, rather than the latest one that is causing the issue...

Have you given this a try?

 

[Iron Woode]

reading through the thread again.

let me see if I got it:

it works fine until you install the appropriate driver and then it does the black screen?

That sounds more like a card failure.

I am also running a Zotac GTX 1070 Ti Amp! edition.

 

[Massive79]

reading through the thread again.

let me see if I got it:

it works fine until you install the appropriate driver and then it does the black screen?

That sounds more like a card failure.

I am also running a Zotac GTX 1070 Ti Amp! edition.

No, it works fine, until one day when I'm gaming, it close game and turns to desktop...and after around 15-30 minute it turn to black screen and full fan speed...and its been like that until now.

What can be coincidence is that I'm installed 445.75 driver around 2 days prior that.

The only workaround to be able to go to normal Windows is by uninstalling driver in safe mode



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[Iron Woode]

No, it works fine, until one day when I'm gaming, it close game and turns to desktop...and after around 15-30 minute it turn to black screen and full fan speed...and its been like that until now.

What can be coincidence is that I'm installed 445.75 driver around 2 days prior that.

The only workaround to be able to go to normal Windows is by uninstalling driver in safe mode



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did you try an older driver?

I am still using 441.41

 

[DonCaliOni]

Hi mate, that hot fix doesn't fix the issue we are having, it only fixes a separate issue that is also causing the PC to crash.

I didn't have a previous driver installed either. All I did was uninstall the driver (just in case you're not sure what I mean: go to the start button, type device manager, open device manager, find your GPU, right click and then uninstall device), then restart the PC, and when the PC turns back on, it should automatically install the original driver that comes with GeForce Experience, rather than the latest one that is causing the issue...

Have you given this a try?

P.S. When I restart, the driver version that installed automatically is 432.00

 

[Massive79]

441.41

Yes I did

as an update, I bought a PSU which is Cooler Master V1000 Gold, which I think should be sufficient, and also have good review.

I've tried the GPU also in my 2nd PCIE slot, and the symptoms is the same, I guess I can rule PSU out of the problem now. It might be my Seasonic X760 is ok after all .

Pararerly, I've sent my Gigabyte 1070 Ti to my friend. And it turns out that it have the same problem, that mean both of my 1070 Ti is damaged
Previously, before I pull off my Gigabyte 1070 Ti from my system I tested it with furmark for 10 minutes and all ok, and I changed it to my Colorful 1070Ti.
All went well until one day the black screen come.

When my Colorful 1070 Ti, get the error, I put my Gigabyte 1070Ti on and show the same error, so I assumed something error in my other hardware.

With all that saying, that mean something in my system broke my GPU, it can be my PSU, motherboard or, this one new, my monitor.
After buying new PSU, I currently buying a new GPU, let see, if it broke again, that it must be my motherboard or monitor.

Btw since buying a new PSU, at the first time, I still having 1 long and 3 short beep, but when I force restart it, I got a good 1 beep sound (3 month ago, when I hav 1 long and 3 short beep, I have to force restart several time to get a normal beep sound)

I'm suspecting my monitor damage my GPU (my monitor is MSI MAG271CQR) since it has a setting Freesync enabled, anti motion blur and zero latency which don't align together. When zero latency enabled, free sync can be enabled by anti motion blur must be disable, and the other way around, when anti motion blur enabled zero latency and free sync disabled.
I put a profile in my monitor for Assassin Creed game, which enable Anti motion Blur, while in my desktop I enable Zero Latency. I sometimes switch from game to desktop just by pressing Win button, which make profile changing to my monitor fast, I'm guessing this might damaged my GPU, but that doesn't explain why my Gigabyte 1070Ti which is freshly inserted also failed.

I've checked my motherboard whether it has any burn smell or looks, but no, everything is ok, and no damage either in all my VGA Golden finger.

Can a motherboard or monitor damage your GPU?

 

[Stuka87]

A motherboard can certainly damage a GPU, or any PCI-E device really. But I have never heard of a monitor damaging a GPU. Anything can happen, but it would seem the more likely culprit is the Motherboard.