100Mb/sec a closer reality for the US?

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
I don't DL enough to even justify those type of speeds. I'm happy with my 5mb FiOS.

I had to download Vista ISO image from MSDN yesterday. It was painful waiting 3-4 hours on 3Mbps connection.

 

[Mike2002]

If all these companies start to give out more and more bandwidth and use some towards internet, won't they have to incur large costs to buy the bandwidth from the big internet providers?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Mike2002
If all these companies start to give out more and more bandwidth and use some towards internet, won't they have to incur large costs to buy the bandwidth from the big internet providers?

As technology increases, costs for bandwidth decrease.

It loosely follows moore's law.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Try some people already have 50mb FIOS

And there is nothing really stopping them from offering 100Mb FIOS right now if they wanted.

 

[RelaxTheMind]

not sure if im supposed to say but we do have a test area of about 60+ people testing our verizon fios gigabit. 1.25gbps down and 700mbps up.

I remoted to a customers computer that had it was pretty much like usingmy own workstation. For those negative people there really is a quite noticable difference in web browsing than you would think.

oh and cable going to docsis 3.0 isnt really going to touch fios gigabit. cmon with thier theoretical 150mb limit.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: RelaxTheMind
not sure if im supposed to say but we do have a test area of about 60+ people testing our verizon fios gigabit. 1.25gbps down and 700mbps up.

I remoted to a customers computer that had it was pretty much like usingmy own workstation. For those negative people there really is a quite noticable difference in web browsing than you would think.

oh and cable going to docsis 3.0 isnt really going to touch fios gigabit. cmon with thier theoretical 150mb limit.

You'll have to sign us up in order for us to believe you.

1.25Gb would essentially make my Gb hub the bottleneck. That's a nice problem.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: spidey07
It will be here in under 3 years. It will come from the cable companies.

-edit-
What I mean is they are rebuilding a lot of their optical infrstuctures to handle DOCISIS 3.0 and HDTV on demand.

correct
they are not interested in giving you more "bandwidth" for internet usage. They are more interested in giving you that bandwidth for HD content and other streaming services (VOD etc)

And they also want to keep the triple play away from the telcos. So the DO want to give you more bandwidth. Internally with some cable companies the talk is in the 50-90 Mbs range for subscribers.

Ahh yes I can see it already at Charter. 90Mbps down, 256kbps up.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Maleficus

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Maleficus
3-5 years is a long time tech wise.

that's how long it's gonna take to roll out, thus 'not gonna happen for a long time'

It will be available faster than that. Less than 3 years. Which for this kind of technology is VERY fast.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Wouldnt surprise me. Medicom at my parenst place was dropping fiber in the streets upto the box at the house, then running coax from that in 2001.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: RelaxTheMind
not sure if im supposed to say but we do have a test area of about 60+ people testing our verizon fios gigabit. 1.25gbps down and 700mbps up.

Sounds like fun, but I suppose we can expect the upstream to be reduced to 1Mbps when it goes official, correct?

 

[jamesbond007]

Does anyone else wonder if this will have an impact on how bad (in terms of volume) spam mail can be sent and received? Or what kind and how bad viruses and spyware can spread? Hackers will be able to snatch gigabytes upon gigabytes of data in no time flat.

I don't mean to rain on everyone's parade, but it's a possibility. Just imagine how horribly slow a 56K user will feel when the standard webpage content exceeds 1MB.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Just imagine how horribly slow a 56K user will feel when the standard webpage content exceeds 1MB.

56k users can suck the internet's balls. The bitches will have to wait. In fact we should start sending without gzip to dialuppers just for the fun of pissing them off.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Just imagine how horribly slow a 56K user will feel when the standard webpage content exceeds 1MB.

56k users can suck the internet's balls. The bitches will have to wait. In fact we should start sending without gzip to dialuppers just for the fun of pissing them off.

Webpages won't go to 1MB sizes, at least not right away. I suppose if you count video content, then they already have, but other than that, you won't come to AT to see a 5MB page. At that point, the bottleneck will be how quickly you system can process and not the connection itself.

 

[jamesbond007]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Just imagine how horribly slow a 56K user will feel when the standard webpage content exceeds 1MB.

56k users can suck the internet's balls. The bitches will have to wait. In fact we should start sending without gzip to dialuppers just for the fun of pissing them off.

NanoStuff, while I agree that 56K users are outdated, there are still many users out there. (I do computer support for several - Windows Updates alone kill much of their bandwidth overnights)

AgaBoogaBoo, there are several sites that require, in my opinion, too much loading time and I'm on a 5Mbps connection! Maybe it's their host, but many photographer's websites are all gaudy with flash content and too large in size. Sure, it's pretty, sounds nice, but dang - they sure don't take most audiences into consideration.

As for processing the information, with the advent of quad-core processors, I bet it'll happen faster than most may think.

 

[everman]

You can get it today if you move to large cities in Japan, S. Korea, and Singapore. The reason why it's not readily available in the U.S. is because of low population density.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: everman
You can get it today if you move to large cities in Japan, S. Korea, and Singapore. The reason why it's not readily available in the U.S. is because of low population density.

That's one big reason, but another is that other countries weren't early adopters for the most part. It's costly to redo the infrastructure needed for the higher speed connections. Other countries were comparably late to the game, but it paid off because it's allowing them to ramp up their speeds cheaply and not have such a costly adaption of the technology required. Another thing that has to do with it is government subsidies and other incentives that are provided, such as Korea's case.

Another possible explanation is the lack of competition. There's a relatively large entrance barrier. In my area, before FIOS became mainstream, if you wanted high speed internet you went with Cablevision. Verizon was as expensive for lower speeds, and simply did not offer higher speeds at the time. Now Cablevision is bleeding badly to them. It's a no-brainer when you can get 50mbps connections for $60/month + taxes through Verizon and paying more for just the 30mbps from Cablevision. Not to mention the dishonest business practices Cablevision is known for, such as capping your connection if you upload for an hour or more straight.

EDIT: Just looked up the price for 50mpbs here. The website said it's now $90/month, but they've been running promotions over the phone for $60/month to compete with Cablevision.

the two packages we have to choose from for the highest speed are:
Cablevision: 30/5 $45/month for the first 6 months, I believe $70/month after that.
Verizion FiOS: 50/5 $60/month for the first year. $90/month after that.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: jamesbond007
Just imagine how horribly slow a 56K user will feel when the standard webpage content exceeds 1MB.

56k users can suck the internet's balls. The bitches will have to wait. In fact we should start sending without gzip to dialuppers just for the fun of pissing them off.

Sucks for the people who have NO access to broadband Internet other than satellite.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: everman
You can get it today if you move to large cities in Japan, S. Korea, and Singapore. The reason why it's not readily available in the U.S. is because of low population density.

That's one big reason, but another is that other countries weren't early adopters for the most part. It's costly to redo the infrastructure needed for the higher speed connections. Other countries were comparably late to the game, but it paid off because it's allowing them to ramp up their speeds cheaply and not have such a costly adaption of the technology required. Another thing that has to do with it is government subsidies and other incentives that are provided, such as Korea's case.

Yeah, but internet speeds are quite low in the US compared to Europe too.. even countries where the internet has less penetration.

I always wondered why... I guess it's because of low densities, but in some European countries they provide the service on a city-by-city basis so I guess they could do it here too.

 

[theeedude]

1mb/s would be nice in my apartment. Cable was having issues due to old wiring, and AT&T DSL can only go to 768kbps because it's too far from the CO. This is in the heart of Silicon Valley a mile from Apple's campus. No wonder US is losing it's technological edge.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: spidey07
It will be here in under 3 years. It will come from the cable companies.

-edit-
What I mean is they are rebuilding a lot of their optical infrstuctures to handle DOCISIS 3.0 and HDTV on demand.

I'm sure that the cable companies will advertise those "up to 100 mbit speeds!", but will they be able to deliver it during peak demand?

Besides, what's the point of having 100 mb broadband service if they're going to cut you off after 10 GB of monthly transfers and send you a cease and desist letter if you try to download anything big enough to actually require that amount of bandwidth? (Yes, Comcast, I'm talking about you!)

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: spidey07
It will be here in under 3 years. It will come from the cable companies.

-edit-
What I mean is they are rebuilding a lot of their optical infrstuctures to handle DOCISIS 3.0 and HDTV on demand.

I'm sure that the cable companies will advertise those "up to 100 mbit speeds!", but will they be able to deliver it during peak demand?

Besides, what's the point of having 100 mb broadband service if they're going to cut you off after 10 GB of monthly transfers and send you a cease and desist letter if you try to download anything big enough to actually require that amount of bandwidth? (Yes, Comcast, I'm talking about you!)

I was thinking the same thing. Just think, a few minutes and you can completely fill that 80GB hard drive that comes with your Dell computer.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I'm sure that the cable companies will advertise those "up to 100 mbit speeds!", but will they be able to deliver it during peak demand?

Besides, what's the point of having 100 mb broadband service if they're going to cut you off after 10 GB of monthly transfers and send you a cease and desist letter if you try to download anything big enough to actually require that amount of bandwidth? (Yes, Comcast, I'm talking about you!)

Absolutely. Depending on their architecture.

You have to understand - it's a price/capacity war. That's good. The leachers, well they'll get capped no matter what network they are on.

For now it's about pentration. Give the customers what they want, let them pay for the build, then start cutting back. The customers fuel the growth. THEN you start cutting them back once you have them.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I'm sure that the cable companies will advertise those "up to 100 mbit speeds!", but will they be able to deliver it during peak demand?

Besides, what's the point of having 100 mb broadband service if they're going to cut you off after 10 GB of monthly transfers and send you a cease and desist letter if you try to download anything big enough to actually require that amount of bandwidth? (Yes, Comcast, I'm talking about you!)

Absolutely. Depending on their architecture.

You have to understand - it's a price/capacity war. That's good. The leachers, well they'll get capped no matter what network they are on.

For now it's about pentration. Give the customers what they want, let them pay for the build, then start cutting back. The customers fuel the growth. THEN you start cutting them back once you have them.

What's hilarious is how cable companies deem practices such as uploading at 1mbps for an hour as abusive and caps people down to 128kbps. 450mB is not a lot of data in this day and age.

 

[evilsaint]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: RelaxTheMind
not sure if im supposed to say but we do have a test area of about 60+ people testing our verizon fios gigabit. 1.25gbps down and 700mbps up.

Sounds like fun, but I suppose we can expect the upstream to be reduced to 1Mbps when it goes official, correct?

Yumm, Nano, i'm jealous Here I am sitting pretty with my 10Mb/s U/D WISP... If you don't mind saying, and if it's not against any NDA you've signed, how much are they charging for that FIoS?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BigJ
What's hilarious is how cable companies deem practices such as uploading at 1mbps for an hour as abusive and caps people down to 128kbps. 450mB is not a lot of data in this day and age.

What's even more hilarious is those that don't understand the technology and why those limits are put in place and the FREAKIN BARGIN they are getting with the speeds they get.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BigJ
What's hilarious is how cable companies deem practices such as uploading at 1mbps for an hour as abusive and caps people down to 128kbps. 450mB is not a lot of data in this day and age.

What's even more hilarious is those that don't understand the technology and why those limits are put in place and the FREAKIN BARGIN they are getting with the speeds they get.

A hotel charged us $18,000 for one week of their DS3 usage. Yes, they raped us.