1000 missiles in Baghdad???

[joohang]

Originally posted by: VFAA
Well lol according to the Iraqi Spokesman (the moron), the Iraqi defences launched Iraqi versions of Patriot missiles at the Tomahawks and destroyed all but 19 lol...

Yeah so Iraq launched at least 981 missiles (isn't that an illigal ammount for for having so many anyway lol)... Man this Iraqi dude is a moron... Why lie...

hahaha

He also said that they destroyed 5 tanks.

It was sad.. I saw this footage on BBC where American missiles were constantly dropping and the Iraqis shoot a teeny weeny "firecracker" in the hopes of hitting a plane. As far as I know, there were no planes that went down today.

 

[etalns]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: joohang

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: joohang
It feels so good to see more posts on the cost of missiles than the actual explosions caused by them.

Yup. Thank you all for sharing your insights on 1 billion dollars used up in one day.

"Money is thicker than blood, that's fvcked up but thats how it is" (rough memory of some snoop dogg lyrics)

Thousands of people die every single day, welcome to the universe. It's a harsh place. You know how many bacteria you've probably killed today?

Bacteria are not the same as people. That's how my morals work.

People from a neighbouring country just consciously shot 1000 missiles to a city that houses humans. You call this an act of nature? Or are you trying to argue Social Darwinism to me?

Bacteria may not seem like people to you, but they are to other bacteria.

lol

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: VFAA
Well lol according to the Iraqi Spokesman (the moron), the Iraqi defences launched Iraqi versions of Patriot missiles at the Tomahawks and destroyed all but 19 lol...

Yeah so Iraq launched at least 981 missiles (isn't that an illigal ammount for for having so many anyway lol)... Man this Iraqi dude is a moron... Why lie...

Didn't you hear? Saddam won Desert Storm! :Q

 

[PsychoAndy]

Originally posted by: joohang

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: joohang
It feels so good to see more posts on the cost of missiles than the actual explosions caused by them.

Yup. Thank you all for sharing your insights on 1 billion dollars used up in one day.

"Money is thicker than blood, that's fvcked up but thats how it is" (rough memory of some snoop dogg lyrics)

Thousands of people die every single day, welcome to the universe. It's a harsh place. You know how many bacteria you've probably killed today?

Bacteria are not the same as people. That's how my morals work.

People from a neighbouring country just consciously shot 1000 missiles to a city that houses humans. You call this an act of nature? Or are you trying to argue Social Darwinism to me?

I don't show concern for civilians because I have faith in the TERCOM guidance systems and the GPS triangulation systems that the US uses. Show me a BDA that indicates that one of our guided missles mistook a C3/government/military target for, say, a house, or a mosque, or say a cardboard box in the middle of a street, and I bet 1/2 the people here would say that sucks. Of course, then you'll have the other 1/2 that would say something along the lines of "they deserve it, turn iraq into glass" that you'll have to deal with...

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Bacteria are not the same as people. That's how my morals work.

But why not? Where do you draw the line? Killing humans is bad? What about abortion? What about doing tests (and killing) other primates? What about other animal testing? When does it become okay to kill something? It seems illogical to me to just magically place the line somewhere and then for lack of a better reason, simply say it's because of morals. Morals surely must have some basis, what is it?

People from a neighbouring country just consciously shot 1000 missiles to a city that houses humans. You call this an act of nature?

Yeah, human nature. It's another matter of drawing the line... when does something become not natural? Humans themselves are natural, is building a house of wood or clay natural? How about an old-style carpentry shop (nothing motorized), is that natural? Is a factory natural? What causes things to all of a sudden become "not natural"? Humans are a product of this earth, and them fighting amongst themselves is natural (IMO), from a purely evolutional point of view. From a societal point of view, it's hard to say whether man's ultimate destiny is to live at peace with nature, or to destroy it. We shall see.

Or are you trying to argue Social Darwinism to me?

Eh, not really, I'm just kind of apathetic to the whole situation. Humans have always beat the crap out of each other, and they still do. Animals do it, bacteria does it, it's just how things are. Nothing is at perfect peace, because when you introduce differences, you introduce friction, and there are tons of differences between things in our reality. Naturally that will lead to conflict some of the time.

 

[joohang]

Earlier you stated

1000 missiles to get rid of military facilities in Baghdad? WTF?

Umm... How the hell is that taking an expert attitude?

OK. Somebody please explain this to me.

1000 missiles to get rid of military facilities in Baghdad? WTF?

This is what I said. I'm asking why 1000 missiles were necessary. I merely questioned why so many were needed. You came in and called me a jackass, etc.

Now who's acting like an expert here?

I'm sure you're really educated on how many military facilities there are in Baghdad. Also, these missiles were not only aimed to damage the "nerve" of the Iraqi military, but to also penetrate underground bunkers where important Iraqi officials were thought to be. You have no clue what the hell you're talking about when you say that 1000 missiles is overkill to incapacitate the military potential of the Iraqi army, neither do I. You don't know the potential they have, nor how largely the control is spread out. The United States government has far more intelligence in this situation than you do, they spent a long time weighing between the incapacitation effect and the danger to civilian lives that would occur based on their attacks.

I have no clue talking about what? I asked a friggin' question. WTF?

I asked why so many missiles were needed. People started to talk about the cost of making the missiles. I wanted to know why so many missiles had to be shot in a city.

I'm so sorry for being an uneducated idiot. I do not have the military knowledge you got. So I come to a tech forum to ask stupid questions. Please ignore my thread next time.

Also, you asked a question and people weighed in their opinions. If you don't want to hear other peoples opinions, whatever aspect they may be about, then don't bother posting. A figure of over a billion dollars being expended in the use of missiles was something that alot of people found to be rather amazing, they commented on it. What right do you have to criticize them on that view?

Umm.. What did $1M for a missile have to do with this thread? What opinion?

You portray all these civilians that were injured as if they are all the living equivelant of Mother Teresa, it has been stated time and time again by news agencies that several of those injured were members of the military. Now you will state that these are people none the less, but you play with fire...and you'll get burned. They have stayed faithful to their leader rather than attempting to defect, and they will face the consequences of those actions.

WTF?

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Bacteria are not the same as people. That's how my morals work.

But why not? Where do you draw the line? Killing humans is bad? What about abortion? What about doing tests (and killing) other primates? What about other animal testing? When does it become okay to kill something? It seems illogical to me to just magically place the line somewhere and then for lack of a better reason, simply say it's because of morals. Morals surely must have some basis, what is it?

People from a neighbouring country just consciously shot 1000 missiles to a city that houses humans. You call this an act of nature?

Yeah, human nature. It's another matter of drawing the line... when does something become not natural? Humans themselves are natural, is building a house of wood or clay natural? How about an old-style carpentry shop (nothing motorized), is that natural? Is a factory natural? What causes things to all of a sudden become "not natural"? Humans are a product of this earth, and them fighting amongst themselves is natural (IMO), from a purely evolutional point of view. From a societal point of view, it's hard to say whether man's ultimate destiny is to live at peace with nature, or to destroy it. We shall see.

Or are you trying to argue Social Darwinism to me?

Eh, not really, I'm just kind of apathetic to the whole situation. Humans have always beat the crap out of each other, and they still do. Animals do it, bacteria does it, it's just how things are. Nothing is at perfect peace, because when you introduce differences, you introduce friction, and there are tons of differences between things in our reality. Naturally that will lead to conflict some of the time.

Can't really argue.

Even animals show signs that they have moral values. I think that morality is one factor which distinguishes humans from beasts. Our view of the world is fundamentally different, so I don't think that we could debate much about it.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Qosis
Oh, also, they have a right to discuss the cost...considering it is their tax dollars that purchased those bombs. Like it or not, finances are an important part of this world, and if my military shot off 1000 missiles that cost over $1 billion dollars, cost too would be an important factor to me. Call me a naive, and selfish bastard, or just call me a realist...Either will work.

Umm.. then perhaps make a new thread about it?

It's like talking about the cost of helicopters in the thread where they discuss the dead American soldiers.

 

[etalns]

You're taking an expert additude because you are acting as if you know how they could have done it with far less. You have no clue how effective these bombs are, nor how many targets they needed to take out to effectively damage the Iraqi's efforts in war.

For the rest of your argument all you're really saying is WTF in several different ways, so I won't bother with my time responding to that part.

Also, I clearly stated throughout my argument that I wasn't aware how many missiles were needed, you were the one questioning it all in a manner which almost implied that it was overkill.

Here's a quote

OK, I maintained a neutral stance toward this war, but 1000 friggin' missiles? Liberate what? Rubbles?

Considering the fact that not a single one of those buildings that was attacked toppled to the ground, it shows how unfounded, and idiotic your argument is. I think it's safe to say we are all dumber after reading your attempted summation of the facts.

 

[Iwentsouth]

There are 3000 targets in Iraq. They did not launch all 1000 cruise missles just at baghdad. The media mistyped or misqouted or something. The 1000 for all of Iraq.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: stspad
1000? holy fvck, someones triggerhappy. The tv prolly showed what, 20-30 bombs tops?
:disgust:

they have static webcams for coverage. how much of your city could you show from your window?


as for 1000 missles.. come on, even a small town has more then 1000 buildings. its not as if all lthe buildings are gone. probably hundreds of thousands of buildings.

and yes, saddam has that many palaces. government spending run amuck? hehe

 

[etalns]

Originally posted by: joohang

Originally posted by: Qosis
Oh, also, they have a right to discuss the cost...considering it is their tax dollars that purchased those bombs. Like it or not, finances are an important part of this world, and if my military shot off 1000 missiles that cost over $1 billion dollars, cost too would be an important factor to me. Call me a naive, and selfish bastard, or just call me a realist...Either will work.

Umm.. then perhaps make a new thread about it?

It's like talking about the cost of helicopters in the thread where they discuss the dead American soldiers.

Why make a new thread about it? It is something that is vitally important to this whole issue: cost.

Unfortunately I hear the rumble of Evadmans list in the distance.

 

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

I was thinking this as well. They never disclose this on CNN...maybe the US got a bulk discount from General Dynamics

Maybe Rossman got them a deal

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Qosis
You're taking an expert additude because you are acting as if you know how they could have done it with far less. You have no clue how effective these bombs are, nor how many targets they needed to take out to effectively damage the Iraqi's efforts in war.

For the rest of your argument all you're really saying is WTF in several different ways, so I won't bother with my time responding to that part.

Also, I clearly stated throughout my argument that I wasn't aware how many missiles were needed, you were the one questioning it all in a manner which almost implied that it was overkill.

Here's a quote

OK, I maintained a neutral stance toward this war, but 1000 friggin' missiles? Liberate what? Rubbles?

Considering the fact that not a single one of those buildings that was attacked toppled to the ground, it shows how unfounded, and idiotic your argument is. I think it's safe to say we are all dumber after reading your attempted summation of the facts.

I really don't understand why you are reading all these things off my post.

I put that before I watched the missile footages and the city of Baghdad still standing. I'm sorry but I'm not educated in military technology. 1000 missiles just sounded like it could've wiped out the city many times over. So I made this thread. And asked a question.

I think that you are taking the expert attitude here. You know nothing about me yet you read so much crap through my words. And you start off by calling me a jackass and an idiot.

I said WTF because you keep arguing that I was saying all sorts of stuff that weren't even going through to my mind. Wouldn't you?

 

[etalns]

Originally posted by: joohang

Originally posted by: Qosis
You're taking an expert additude because you are acting as if you know how they could have done it with far less. You have no clue how effective these bombs are, nor how many targets they needed to take out to effectively damage the Iraqi's efforts in war.

For the rest of your argument all you're really saying is WTF in several different ways, so I won't bother with my time responding to that part.

Also, I clearly stated throughout my argument that I wasn't aware how many missiles were needed, you were the one questioning it all in a manner which almost implied that it was overkill.

Here's a quote

OK, I maintained a neutral stance toward this war, but 1000 friggin' missiles? Liberate what? Rubbles?

Considering the fact that not a single one of those buildings that was attacked toppled to the ground, it shows how unfounded, and idiotic your argument is. I think it's safe to say we are all dumber after reading your attempted summation of the facts.

I really don't understand why you are reading all these things off my post.

I put that before I watched the missile footages and the city of Baghdad still standing. I'm sorry but I'm not educated in military technology. 1000 missiles just sounded like it could've wiped out the city many times over. So I made this thread. And asked a question.

I think that you are taking the expert attitude here. You know nothing about me yet you read so much crap through my words. And you start off by calling me a jackass and an idiot.

I said WTF because you keep arguing that I was saying all sorts of stuff that weren't even going through to my mind. Wouldn't you?

How am I taking the expert additude? By repeatedly saying, you nor I know how many targets they had in their sights, and that we have no grounds to comment? That's not an expert additude, that's realizing that I know absoloutely nothing, and you know absoloutely nothing about the mechanics of this campaign.

 

[etalns]

Also, about me saying stuff that was not going through your mind and that's why you repeatedly said "WTF," and asked if I would to. I would not, I'd attempt to make some sort of post that had even an ounce of intellect in it, to not insult those around me, and to parade in my stupidity.

 

[stspad]

Originally posted by: Qosis You're taking an expert additude because you are acting as if you know how they could have done it with far less.

umm you're taking the "expert attitude". for fvcks sake, you are saying that the us gov't is justified in taking any amount of power to "disarm" iraq, and the people should trust that the they're doing the right thing, because we're not experts. i mean 1000 Pipe bombs can do some serious freakin damage, doesnt take a military general trained on the iraqi army's tactical stance to figure out what 1000 cruise missiles can do.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: stspad
1000? holy fvck, someones triggerhappy. The tv prolly showed what, 20-30 bombs tops?
:disgust:

they have static webcams for coverage. how much of your city could you show from your window?


as for 1000 missles.. come on, even a small town has more then 1000 buildings. its not as if all lthe buildings are gone. probably hundreds of thousands of buildings.

and yes, saddam has that many palaces. government spending run amuck? hehe

Yeah. After watching the TV footages, it doesn't seem that bad. It was just weird to see a missile destroy only a single building.

There were quite a few big explosions, though. Crazy stuff.

 

[etalns]

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God bless Evadman

 

[stspad]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: stspad
1000? holy fvck, someones triggerhappy. The tv prolly showed what, 20-30 bombs tops?
:disgust:

they have static webcams for coverage. how much of your city could you show from your window?


as for 1000 missles.. come on, even a small town has more then 1000 buildings. its not as if all lthe buildings are gone. probably hundreds of thousands of buildings.

and yes, saddam has that many palaces. government spending run amuck? hehe

read: what the media isnt showing you.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Qosis
Also, about me saying stuff that was not going through your mind and that's why you repeatedly said "WTF," and asked if I would to. I would not, I'd attempt to make some sort of post that had even an ounce of intellect in it, to not insult those around me, and to parade in my stupidity.

Thank you for reconfirming that you are full of sh*t.

You see me as a "jackass" and an "idiot" who takes elitist attitude because you are one. You know nothing about me so you fill out the unknown parts of myself through a reflection of yourself. Now it all makes sense.

Yup. I'm so stupid that I shouldn't have even made this thread. Obviously, none of my posts even attempted to show any signs of intellect, unlike yours, which show not a single sign of stupidity.

 

[rival]

who cares what they cost, bush doesnt pay for them, you do, i do, the guy over there does, she does and those people in the corner over there do

ka-pow ka-pow cha-ching cha-ching

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Qosis
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You know what?

I seriously think that you are violating the basic terms and conditions of being an AnandTech member. I don't think that I deserve any of this.

So now what? Did you run out of arguments so as the last resort, you call me an idiot?

 

[etalns]

Originally posted by: stspad

Originally posted by: Qosis You're taking an expert additude because you are acting as if you know how they could have done it with far less.

umm you're taking the "expert attitude". for fvcks sake, you are saying that the us gov't is justified in taking any amount of power to "disarm" iraq, and the people should trust that the they're doing the right thing, because we're not experts. i mean 1000 Pipe bombs can do some serious freakin damage, doesnt take a military general trained on the iraqi army's tactical stance to figure out what 1000 cruise missiles can do.

First off: Learn Grammar, just because you are on the internet, that you can parade in your stupidity like a pantless idiot.

Secondly: What other solution is there other than disarming Iraq and taking over it? Allow Saddam Hussein to stay in power? He's been involved in the killing of over 2 million of his own people, and yet he should stay in power. Have you not seen the many Iraqi citizens parading in the street, cheering in their own language something to the extent of "The bastard is going to die." Lets hear it, what sort of damage ratio/land does a cruise missile have, I beg to have your intellect dawned upon me. You have no clue what 1000 cruise missiles can do, neither do I. Do you have any idea of the explosive capacity in them?