1000 Illegals get in-state tuition in NYC college.

[MJinZ]

Good point, thanks. Helps fill in the whole truth of the picture.

Nevertheless, big boatload of assumptions below, NONE of which even if believed in their totality mean that they don't pay their fair share of taxes, only that, being illegal, this cuts them off (as it should, imho), from federal financial assistance.





I agree with you here. Drying up their job possibilities by getting real about employer enforcement sanctions (one of the Arizona laws I wholly support!) would go a long way to stemming the flow.

As long as they can readily find work, they will continue to come illegally, risking their broke-assed lives to do so.

Agreed, but we also need to cut off illegals from other state-provided welfares. If they never find work but end up being supported by tax-payers paying into their welfare, that's an even bigger problem, since they would be giving nothing back, not even a work product.

 

[Modelworks]

What country you living in? Law applied equally to all is a dream . and it has never ever happened. Try putting one of the worlds elite on trail for their criminal activities see were it goes.

The point is you cannot pick and choose which laws you want to follow. Even if you are rich and powerful you can still be arrested for the crime. You may get off because you can afford a better defense, but I have never seen anyone in the USA not be charged because they are rich or powerful.

 

[Hacp]

Agreed, but we also need to cut off illegals from other state-provided welfares. If they never find work but end up being supported by tax-payers paying into their welfare, that's an even bigger problem, since they would be giving nothing back, not even a work product.

Even worse is if they manage to find work. Taxpayers are paying for illegals to steal their jobs. There is a reason we have quotas. Thats to keep our standard of living up. If the illegals take all our jobs, then there won't be any jobs left for law abiding citizens.

 

[charrison]

What makes you think that illegals aren't criminals?

Most people are not criminals. They are criminals in the respect that they are here illegally, but most of them just want to work and have a better life than what is offered at home.

 

[Argo]

I don't have a problem with this at all. All of the anti-illegal stuff portrays them all as criminals or bad people. Well here is an example that some of them are willing to work as hard as anyone else to earn their way. And many people of all races can go to some state type of college for free.

Argh - let them work as hard as they want. Just not on my f*cking dime!

 

[MJinZ]

Most people are not criminals. They are criminals in the respect that they are here illegally, but most of them just want to work and have a better life than what is offered at home.

If we wanted to become India and China - a fucking overcrowded shitstuy - then we can actually give a shit.

Land is not fucking unlimited - if you're breeding them like animals, then do not expect to enjoy the quality of life once available to a much lower population density!

 

[theeedude]

Should make them citizens so at least they stay here and use their education to pay taxes.

 

[Narmer]

They may be illegal but, at least in NYC where I live, many of them (are eager to) pay their taxes. I'm glad they don't have to file for income tax because, considering what they make, the government may end up giving them money back.

These illegals aren't right but I don't see the outrage here. It's not like they're jumping over the border, getting free tuition, killing an American soldier and raping his wife, then jumping back over the border again.

 

[potion]

If we wanted to become India and China - a fucking overcrowded shitstuy - then we can actually give a shit.

Land is not fucking unlimited - if you're breeding them like animals, then do not expect to enjoy the quality of life once available to a much lower population density!

Shitsty, sir. Shitsty.

 

[dammitgibs]

Most people are not criminals. They are criminals in the respect that they are here illegally

Most rapists are not criminals. They are criminals in the respect that they raped someone.

How am I doing?

 

[DrPizza]

I have no problem with any people living in this country contributing toward the country. Do the people against this think that her ultimate goal in life is to have 10 kids and live on welfare? Looks like her goal is to be a productive "citizen." And, it appears that she wants to assimilate into our society - learning to speak English.

It seems that the primary reasons people are against illegal immigrants is the portion of that population who cause that entire class of people to be perceived negatively. Huge multi-families living in one house, people who want to live off our welfare & other social systems, people who drive uninsured vehicles, etc. These types of people are a problem in our society, regardless of their origin. (Oh, and really, I would prefer they learn English - the one thing that connects us all together is a common language.) 100 years ago, we didn't close the door to immigration - you wanted to come, you came. The difference is that most of those people wanted to make a better life for themselves, not just live off government handouts.

I have no problem with people who come here and want to work to make a better life for themselves & become a part of our society. Quit wasting time going after people who are paying their share of taxes and working. Start enforcing the laws and building codes that are already on the books. How fucking stupid are people in certain states that you can't figure out how to solve the problem that a significant percentage of cars on the road are uninsured??! How stupid are you people living in those states that you just roll over and accept that this is a problem caused by illegal immigrants? State police here don't need to ask "proof of insurance?" - their computer will tell them if the car is insured or not.

 

[colonel]

Even worse is if they manage to find work. Taxpayers are paying for illegals to steal their jobs. There is a reason we have quotas. Thats to keep our standard of living up. If the illegals take all our jobs, then there won't be any jobs left for law abiding citizens.

I dont get it, illegals are underground people, they dont show in records if the jumped the fence, if they get a job Because the employer knows the immigration status. So who is braking the law now?

 

[colonel]

Should make them citizens so at least they stay here and use their education to pay taxes.

they can not apply, they dont have status. I dont think conservatives agree with that anyway. President Reagan gave them amnesty in the 80's.

 

[nick1985]

I don't have a problem with this at all.

P&N is shocked.

 

[charrison]

Most rapists are not criminals. They are criminals in the respect that they raped someone.

How am I doing?

Interesting but rather irrelevant analogy.

As I stated before our laws do need reform to discourage illegal immigration, rather than encourage it. On one hand it is illegal, on the other hand our laws encourage it.

 

[DrPizza]

Even worse is if they manage to find work. Taxpayers are paying for illegals to steal their jobs. There is a reason we have quotas. Thats to keep our standard of living up. If the illegals take all our jobs, then there won't be any jobs left for law abiding citizens.

Yep, all the fast food restaurants, manual labor, etc. But wait a second - doesn't having all those illegals in the first place generate jobs? Someone has to build houses for them, someone has to feed them fast food, etc. And, aren't those illegals who do illegally get jobs also paying taxes? (Their employer is supposed to withhold and pay the tax.) If people are paying them under the table, it's not the illegals who are breaking the law.

 

[Narmer]

Interesting but rather irrelevant analogy.

As I stated before our laws do need reform to discourage illegal immigration, rather than encourage it. On one hand it is illegal, on the other hand our laws encourage it.

How do our laws encourage it?

 

[Hacp]

Yep, all the fast food restaurants, manual labor, etc. But wait a second - doesn't having all those illegals in the first place generate jobs? Someone has to build houses for them, someone has to feed them fast food, etc. And, aren't those illegals who do illegally get jobs also paying taxes? (Their employer is supposed to withhold and pay the tax.) If people are paying them under the table, it's not the illegals who are breaking the law.

No they don't. Why? because we're at 10% unemployment. All those unemployed are on unemployment benefits! If we kick the illegals out, we can employ the 10% and stop paying unemployment benefits.

"But illegals do the jobs that others won't do!" Wrong! Others will do the jobs if we take away their safety net(food stamps, welfare, and others). Need to choose between doing hard labor or going hungry? You will do the jobs illegals do.

Finally, illegals are breaking the law just by being here. If I break into your home uninvited and stay as long as I want, would you not want to kick me out?

 

[charrison]

How do our laws encourage it?

first of all, our immigration laws are not being enforced.

anchor babies are allowed.

illegals can get govt assistance.

They are not refused medical care, even if they cant pay.

Even though it is illegal for them to come here, there is virtually no problem with them doing it. Until we fix that, they will keep coming.

 

[Jaskalas]

Should make them citizens so at least they stay here and use their education to pay taxes.

Seal the border, then we'll discuss a peaceful and happy resolution for those already here.

 

[CPA]

So if illegals get in-state tuition rates, why cant legal citizens from the other 49 get in state tuition rates?

And no I dont think illegals are criminals, but I do think our law quite encourage illegal immigration rather than legal immigration.

so illegal /= criminal?

 

[DrPizza]

No they don't. Why? because we're at 10% unemployment. All those unemployed are on unemployment benefits! If we kick the illegals out, we can employ the 10% and stop paying unemployment benefits.

"But illegals do the jobs that others won't do!" Wrong! Others will do the jobs if we take away their safety net(food stamps, welfare, and others). Need to choose between doing hard labor or going hungry? You will do the jobs illegals do.

Finally, illegals are breaking the law just by being here. If I break into your home uninvited and stay as long as I want, would you not want to kick me out?

And of those unemployed, very few of them are looking for jobs at McDonalds, Burger King, Popeyes, KFC, ...
When's the last time you saw an unemployed accountant, middle management, engineer, etc., working at a fast food place. Despite high unemployment, I still see signs at fast food places advertising for "Help Wanted"

 

[charrison]

so illegal /= criminal?

I agree they are breaking the law being here illegally. My point is most are here to work and not cause more problem with law enforcement.

 

[potion]

Finally, illegals are breaking the law just by being here. If I break into your home uninvited and stay as long as I want, would you not want to kick me out?

Even worse is when the government itself forces you to have other people live in your house! I don't want foreign bums living in my house, its my house damn it, I don't care if they have a green card! Its nothing but state-sanctioned violation of my property!

 

[shortylickens]

I don't have a problem with this at all. All of the anti-illegal stuff portrays them all as criminals or bad people. Well here is an example that some of them are willing to work as hard as anyone else to earn their way. And many people of all races can go to some state type of college for free.

Well, they're stealing tax dollars. And if they went to jail, they'd still be sucking up tax dollars. Thats the best thing about illegals vs. American criminals, if you ship them out, they dont cost anything anymore.