$1000 dollars for 200 extra 3dmarks

[ShadowOfMyself]

How am I supposed to believe a random quote on a forum? :roll:

Random quote? Random forum? There are two kinds of people - the ones you can trust, and the ones you cant, Ill let you think why you should believe that

Also, that quote originally comes from B3D, which is by far the most reliable forum if you want to discuss hardware, because instead of discussing brands there, they discuss the actual technology, unlike here

OMG ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

Where did he say it was ahead by a large margin? :roll:

Seriously, the AMD bashing is getting ridiculous

 

[Ackmed]

I dont believe any of that Crysis stuff. Far, far too many rumors, without facts to back up any of it. There may be another card from NV and ATi before it even ships. Why get hot and bothered about it at this point?

I dont have a problem at all with the alleged price of the Ultra. As long as its in stock, and not price hiked because its hard to find. As has been stated, you dont have to buy anything. More choices is always better to me. Some people have the money to spend, so they want to absolute best. Others will call it dumb to spend that much on a video card, but thats just their opinion. I say spend it if you got it, its your money. Not everyone makes the same amount, $850 may seem like a lot for most people, for others its a few days work.

 

[m21s]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

How am I supposed to believe a random quote on a forum? :roll:

Random quote? Random forum? There are two kinds of people - the ones you can trust, and the ones you cant, Ill let you think why you should believe that

Also, that quote originally comes from B3D, which is by far the most reliable forum if you want to discuss hardware, because instead of discussing brands there, they discuss the actual technology, unlike here

OMG ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

Where did he say it was ahead by a large margin? :roll:

Seriously, the AMD bashing is getting ridiculous

How did I bash AMD? :roll:

He comes here and throws out that statement, I was expecting a huge margin...I go and read the article and its 4 lousy frames!

Sound to me he's trying to make the HD2900XT MORE than it really is.

Why didn't he mention this is his first post?
The 2900XTX & the 8800GTX are performing on par in Crysis at the moment ( direct info from a developer of the game )

There is no bashing, Just supply people with accurate info is all, and don't leave things so "vauge"

 

[Gstanfor]

New NVIDIA GeForce(R) 8800 Ultra Enables World's Fastest Gaming Platform

News Release

New NVIDIA GeForce(R) 8800 Ultra Enables World's Fastest Gaming Platform

News Facts:
-- Today NVIDIA Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA) introduced the world's fastest
graphics processing unit (GPU), the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra.
-- The NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra performs an average of between 10 and 15%
faster(i) than the GeForce 8800 GTX GPU, previously considered the
fastest GPU on the planet,(ii) across a wide range of top games and
applications.
-- NVIDIA nForce(R) 680i SLI-based motherboards for Intel processors
provide the fastest and most feature-rich platform for the GeForce 8800
Ultra. NVIDIA refers to these systems as the "definitive gaming
platform."
-- Consumers will be able to experience high-resolution, visually rich
gaming and high-definition video playback with support for Blu-ray and
HD DVD content.
-- Definitive gaming platforms built with any nForce 600 Series
motherboard are forward compatible with the new Intel processors with
support for 1333FSB technology.
(Photo: NewsCom: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20020613/NVDALOGO )

Product Facts:
-- Graphics cards equipped with the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra GPU and
768MB of video memory will be available at e-tailers and retailers
worldwide by May 15th. NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra graphics card launch
partners include Asus, BFG, EVGA, Gainward, Galaxy, Gigabyte,
Innovision, Leadtek, MSI, PNY, Point of View, Sparkle and XFX.
-- Prices range from $829 and higher.
-- GeForce 8 Series GPUs are the first shipping DirectX 10 GPUs and are
the reference GPUs for Microsoft DirectX 10 API development.
-- GeForce 8800 GPUs are the developer's platform of choice for this
year's top DirectX 10 titles, including Lost Planet: Extreme Condition,
Crysis, Age of Conan, Hellgate: London, Company of Heroes: Opposing
Fronts, World in Conflict, BioShock, PT Boats, and Cryostasis.
-- Developers creating next-generation OpenGL titles, such as Enemy
Territory: Quake Wars are also using GeForce 8 Series as their
development platform of choice.
-- GeForce 8 Series GPUs include all required hardware functionality
defined in the Microsoft Direct3D(R) 10 specification, with full
support for the DirectX 10 unified shader instruction set and Shader
Model 4 capabilities.
-- DirectX 10 is included with Microsoft Windows Vista and delivers
unparalleled levels of graphics realism and film-quality effects for
games, all rendered in real-time on a GeForce 8 Series DirectX
10-capable GPU.

Quotes:


Attribute to Ujesh Desai, general manager of desktop GPUs at NVIDIA:

"The definitive gaming platform is built around the fastest components available and today there is no disputing those components include the GeForce 8800 Ultra GPU and an NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI-ready motherboard. The graphics industry evolves extremely quickly and it is quite an achievement when you can leapfrog your own performance milestones in succession like we have done with these GeForce 8 Series GPUs."

Attribute to Glen Robson, general manager of Dell gaming products

"Dell is deeply committed to designing PCs that cater to gamers' needs and desires and offering the latest and greatest GPUs is a key technology differentiator. NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra GPUs deliver stunning performance gains today and support the key features that will facilitate an awesome visual experience on DirectX 10 titles."

For more information, please visit http://www.nvidia.com or listen to the NVIDIA podcast located at http://download.nvidia.com/podcasts/pr/050207_geforce_8800_ultra.mp3.

About NVIDIA

NVIDIA Corporation is the worldwide leader in programmable graphics processor technologies. The Company creates innovative, industry-changing products for computing, consumer electronics, and mobile devices. NVIDIA is headquartered in Santa Clara, CA and has offices throughout Asia, Europe, and the Americas. For more information, visit www.nvidia.com.

Certain statements in this press release including, but not limited to the benefits, impact, performance and features of GeForce 8800 Ultra graphics cards and Microsoft DirectX 10 and our goal are forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause results to be materially different than expectations. Such risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, delays in ramping new products into production; software bugs; manufacturing defects; delays in manufacturing or delivery of products; developments of new products and technologies by competitors; unexpected loss of performance when system builders integrate NVIDIA products and technologies; continued acceptance and use of new technologies and products; the impact of competitive products and pricing alternatives; changes in industry standards and interfaces; as well as other factors detailed from time to time in the reports NVIDIA files with the Securities and Exchange Commission including its Form 10-Q for the quarter ended October 29, 2006. Copies of reports filed with the SEC are posted on our website and are available from NVIDIA without charge. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and speak only as of the date hereof, and, except as required by law, NVIDIA disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances.

NOTE: All company and/or product names may be trade names, trademarks and/or registered trademarks of the respective owners with which they are associated. Features, pricing, availability, and specifications are subject to change without notice.

(i) Based on testing the GeForce 8800 Ultra and the GeForce 8800 GTX at a
variety of resolutions from 1280x1024 up to 2560 x1600. The system
used featured the Intel Conroe 2.93GHz CPU, C55+MCP55 chipset, and
2048MB of RAM. Applications tested include 3DMark 2006, Battlefield
2142, Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 2, Doom3, FarCry v1.4 BETA, Prey,
Quake 4, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Half-Life 2 Episode One, and
Half-Life 2 Lost Coast. Maximum increase was 27.4%; minimum increase
was .4%; average was 12.7%. Data is available up on request.

(ii) "Expectedly the card is the fastest on the market and leaves all
competitors far behind." ComputerBase Magazine. "Gamers who want the
best want the GeForce 8800GTX hands down as it offers the best
performance, features and supported gaming titles than anything on
planet Earth." Motherboards.org. More can be found here:
http://www.nvidia.com/page/8800_reviews.html


SOURCE NVIDIA Corporation

Brian Burke of NVIDIA Corporation, +1-512-401-4385, or bburke@nvidia.com

http://www.nvidia.com/

"Safe Harbor" Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements in this press release regarding NVIDIA Corporation's business which are not historical facts are "forward-looking statements" that involve risks and uncertainties. For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ from those contained in the forward-looking statements, see "Risk Factors" in the Company's Annual Report or Form 10-K for the most recently ended fiscal year.

the PR email just arrived, NDA should be lifted and reviews online soon.

 

[BlizzardOne]

AT review is up - not a particularly glowing verdict

 

[Ackmed]

AT reviews arent particularly glowing either.

 

[n7]

That's cause there's nothing to glow about.

This is basically another 6800 UE or 7800 GTX 512 MB greed-frenzy card.

We must have the best...we must charge the most :roll:

 

[Ackmed]

The cheaper eVGA card seems like the much better deal to me if you're looking into buying one. You can get it for $580 +shipping after MIR from newegg right now.

Also, what will the people who complained when ATi put out reviews, and launched the cards at a later date say now that NV has done the same thing? Im sure it will be ok now.

edit, HardOCP's is up as well; http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: n7
That's cause there's nothing to glow about.

This is basically another 6800 UE or 7800 GTX 512 MB greed-frenzy card.

We must have the best...we must charge the most :roll:

Thats capitalism for you.

 

[n7]

Often, when reviewing hardware, it is difficult to draw a hard line and state with total confidence that our conclusions are the only logical ones that can be drawn from the facts. We try very hard to eliminate personal opinion from our reviews and provide readers with enough information to form their own well educated opinions. We try to point out the downsides of the best products out there, as well as the niche uses for which otherwise disappointing hardware might shine. So often our job is about balance and temperance.

But not this time: The NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra is an utter waste of money.

Derek Wilson summed it up well. :thumbsup:

 

[Ackmed]

FS is up as well; http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800_ultra/

They all say pretty much the same thing. Its not worth it, when you can get an already overclocked card thats the same speed, for much less. Perhaps DX10 games will change the tables some, with a shader clock increase, but I doubt it. HardOCP hit the nail on the head for me in 'The bottom line' section of their evaluation.

But hey, if you got the cash, and can find them, spend it if you got it. Nobody has to answer to anyone else on these forums for what they spend their money on.

 

[Ackmed]

Well, apparently NV and I are on the same wave length, somewhat. Here is a quote they sent Kyle at HardOCP, from the PR dept. of course.

Does it cost too much, that can only be answered by the guy writing the check. If I am writing the check it costs too much. But maybe rock stars and pro athletes won't mind paying for it.

 

[terentenet]

They tested a stock 8800 Ultra against an overclocked 8800GTX. Overclock both to their max and test some more, or, make a direct comparison between a stock GTX and the Ultra.
Performance increase is there and you can attain it if the core gets past 700MHz and memory above 2300MHz. And it can get past that according to many rumors.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: terentenet
The tested a stock 8800 Ultra against an overclocked 8800GTX.

And yet the OC'd GTX is still 200$ cheaper...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The cheaper eVGA card seems like the much better deal to me if you're looking into buying one. You can get it for $580 +shipping after MIR from newegg right now.

Also, what will the people who complained when ATi put out reviews, and launched the cards at a later date say now that NV has done the same thing? Im sure it will be ok now.

edit, HardOCP's is up as well; http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I think it actually WILL be ok, now that you mention it. Nvidia has been providing plenty of product post 7 series, and AMD/ATI has produced SQUAT. Who do you think deserves more slack?

ADDED: And don't think I'm going to run right out and purchase an Ultra, cause I can't afford that much for a vid card. 350.00 is about my limit (8800GTS 640 on the way).
This card "aint" for everyone, and Nvidia has conceded that there will be a limited supply. So, is there a problem?

 

[terentenet]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: terentenet
The tested a stock 8800 Ultra against an overclocked 8800GTX.

And yet the OC'd GTX is still 200$ cheaper...

Yes, but the OC'd Ultra will be $200 more expensive and 10-15% better. It's a premium. If you want those extra 10-15% on air without volt modding and water cooling a normal GTX, Ultra is the way.
I wonder what will a volt mod and water cooling make out of 8800 Ultra? If 1k-2k more 3dm06 marks, it will match a stock 8800GTX SLI setup. EDIT: For that specific benchmark

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: terentenet
They tested a stock 8800 Ultra against an overclocked 8800GTX. Overclock both to their max and test some more, or, make a direct comparison between a stock GTX and the Ultra.
Performance increase is there and you can attain it if the core gets past 700MHz and memory above 2300MHz. And it can get past that according to many rumors.

Why is it fair to test an OC'd gtx against stock ATi cards, but not fair to test OC'd gtx against a stock ultra? The factory OC'd gtx comes with a warranty and requires no user fiddling, so as far as the user is concerned, it's stock. I give credit to any site that benches an OC'd gtx against the ultra, because the reader should be aware that cards costing $200 less offer the same performance as the ultra. AT did mention that they will OC the ultra once they get retail samples and not a cherry picked ES, and I agree with that decision.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The cheaper eVGA card seems like the much better deal to me if you're looking into buying one. You can get it for $580 +shipping after MIR from newegg right now.

Also, what will the people who complained when ATi put out reviews, and launched the cards at a later date say now that NV has done the same thing? Im sure it will be ok now.

edit, HardOCP's is up as well; http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I think it actually WILL be ok, now that you mention it. Nvidia has been providing plenty of product post 7 series, and AMD/ATI has produced SQUAT. Who do you think deserves more slack?

ADDED: And don't think I'm going to run right out and purchase an Ultra, cause I can't afford that much for a vid card. 350.00 is about my limit (8800GTS 640 on the way).
This card "aint" for everyone, and Nvidia has conceded that there will be a limited supply. So, is there a problem?

Its not about slack. Its about flip-flopping, and releases. When ATi put out reviews, then cards a few weeks later, you and others claimed it was a paper launch, and a horrible thing to do. (my paraphrase) I said it wasnt a paper launch, since they told us when the hardware would be released. Now that NV has done the exact same thing, I dont expect the same people to be against it anymore.

For the record, I like this kind of launch. It lets you absorb the info, and have a few weeks to try and decide/sell your old card. In fact, most people like this kind of release.

 

[Laminator]

The 8800 Ultra is an elongated middle-finger of victory from nVidia to ATi. What they are saying is, "Yes, this product is ludicrous and exorbitantly priced, but people are going to buy it anyway because we own the market. WE OWN THE MARKET!" Then there's the 8900GTX. And the the 8900 Ultra. And then the 8950GTX. And then the 8950 Ultra. And then the 8950GX2...

 

[Ackmed]

There is? Where are these products? I havent heard of any of these cards you speak of.

Its my opinion that NV made this card, because they thought it would "one up" ATi, and the newly released 2900XTX. As they have tried to do in the past. Not to extend their victory lap, if you will.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The cheaper eVGA card seems like the much better deal to me if you're looking into buying one. You can get it for $580 +shipping after MIR from newegg right now.

Also, what will the people who complained when ATi put out reviews, and launched the cards at a later date say now that NV has done the same thing? Im sure it will be ok now.

edit, HardOCP's is up as well; http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

I think it actually WILL be ok, now that you mention it. Nvidia has been providing plenty of product post 7 series, and AMD/ATI has produced SQUAT. Who do you think deserves more slack?

ADDED: And don't think I'm going to run right out and purchase an Ultra, cause I can't afford that much for a vid card. 350.00 is about my limit (8800GTS 640 on the way).
This card "aint" for everyone, and Nvidia has conceded that there will be a limited supply. So, is there a problem?

Its not about slack. Its about flip-flopping, and releases. When ATi put out reviews, then cards a few weeks later, you and others claimed it was a paper launch, and a horrible thing to do. (my paraphrase) I said it wasnt a paper launch, since they told us when the hardware would be released. Now that NV has done the exact same thing, I dont expect the same people to be against it anymore.

For the record, I like this kind of launch. It lets you absorb the info, and have a few weeks to try and decide/sell your old card. In fact, most people like this kind of release.

Very well. While you have your calm meltdown about flip-flopping, we are all going to continue to discuss the thread topic. That is of course, if you don't mind?

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Laminator
The 8800 Ultra is an elongated middle-finger of victory from nVidia to ATi. What they are saying is, "Yes, this product is ludicrous and exorbitantly priced, but people are going to buy it anyway because we own the market. WE OWN THE MARKET!" Then there's the 8900GTX. And the the 8900 Ultra. And then the 8950GTX. And then the 8950 Ultra. And then the 8950GX2...

I agree.

If Nvidia was really trying to "one up" AMD, then I think they would have waited for R600 to actually beat 8800GTX before trying to "one up" them. They would have also made more of an effort to increase the performance. What is the point of releasing the Ultra when it is actually slower than some of the 8800GTX OC editions that are available at $200 less? They're just giving AMD the bird Tom Cruise style. These are things you can do when you are the top dawg and Nvidia knows it.

I think the performance of 8800 Ultra speaks volumes about what R600 will be. I think Nvidia knows exactly what HD2900XTX can do and they're not impressed. If they were impressed and scared of AMD's offering, then why not pump the GPU to 650mhz? At least make your $800 offering look good on paper. At the very least, make it faster than any other OC product that your vendors are offering.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Originally posted by: lyssword
Hmm.. Seems that vid card technology peaked, or at least leveled. I don't think there is going to be anything much faster than 8800gtx in next 6-9 months..

Vid cards havn't peaked. The fact that there is no competition has done this. If AMD/ATI's latest card was better then it proved to be, Nvidia would have released the 8900's and not just the 8800 Ultra. There are lots of specs of the 8900 already leaked on the net, and some seem to have come directly from some of the Taiwanese manufacturers.

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: shadowofthesun
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Frankly disappointing, IMO. Not that I was expecting anything better, but I was definitely hoping for it... Clock speeds are about par with an overclocked 8800 GTX.

Just a peek at what we have in store if AMD tanks... I personally don't think it will anytime soon, but lets hope cards like this don't become the norm.

No one really thought it would be that much better. It's the 7800GTX 512 all over again, nothing more...

I guess the difference is that the 7800 512 was significantly better than the 7800 standard.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Laminator
The 8800 Ultra is an elongated middle-finger of victory from nVidia to ATi. What they are saying is, "Yes, this product is ludicrous and exorbitantly priced, but people are going to buy it anyway because we own the market. WE OWN THE MARKET!" Then there's the 8900GTX. And the the 8900 Ultra. And then the 8950GTX. And then the 8950 Ultra. And then the 8950GX2...

Yes, and I'm sure all those are just waiting in the wings for the r600, just like the 7900gtx was and the 32-pipe monster g71 that was suposed to crush the r580.