100 years of income tax

[Anarchist420]

According to the link, they spend more than half of the money they recieve on medicaid.. which is, as I understand it, a federal program? Take that out and they pretty much break even.

:thumbsup:

 

[Jhhnn]

Basic American law is the federal government regulates interstate trade.

If something stays within the border of a state the federal government has no business regulating it.

So, uhh, Jim Crow, indentured servitude & even Slavery would be OK, huh?

Child labor? Women's rights? Food & drug Standards? Due process?

Libertopian States' Rights posturing sounds great, until we rub even a few little grey cells together.

 

[jackstar7]

So no private wells allowed? And we should shut down local water management and move to a federally controlled water bureaucracy?

Huh. I don't remember offering my plan. Great guesses though. You should keep going.

 

[jackstar7]

You dumbasses. Those who think they are free = petulant. Fuck you.



And fuck them too. Take what I earn for what I do not condone is theft. You won't understand and never will.



I didn't elect anyone nor agree for them to be my master. Not only that but not everyone fits into the two party system and even less agree 100% with what their "representative" chooses for them. Mindless dipshits like yourself are the reason we're so fucked. You sit in your chair claiming representation but then opine that the dastardly deeds of war you don't support (example). Well if you don't support it dumbass how are you represented? Fucking idiots the lot of you.

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Newsflash mindless moron you don't need "government" for people to want clean water. smh



Are you that fucking stupid to think its not slavery if you don't get to choose what you spend your money on? If you don't get to choose who's fucking money is it? Statist shit stinking up the place.



Ah yeah no. There is no true representation only the mask of it. You wouldn't dare to proclaim that the person you chose to "represent you" is your responsibility. The massive delusions you dipshits conjure up is most entertaining and sad at the same time.

I know it's difficult. Things are rough at home and it gets to be too much and so you have to lash out.

It gets better.

 

[Abraxas]

lol. It's always funny to see frightened simpletons scared of the complexity of life and their reps in Congress. As if a world where war doesn't exist is a goal you could vote away with or without gov't. Tool.

You're wasting breath. You're talking to a guy who literally thinks insurance companies should be allowed to execute you if they think it will be profitable. For all intents and purposes you are dealing with a chatbot that programmed to only produce spite and nonsensical quote lifts from poorly thought out objectivist and anarcho-capitalist websites.

 

[BoberFett]

Huh. I don't remember offering my plan. Great guesses though. You should keep going.

Then please, explain what you're talking about. The federal income tax funds the federal government, which is what this thread is about. You went on to talking about clean water, which is provided by local governments.

 

[BoberFett]

So, uhh, Jim Crow, indentured servitude & even Slavery would be OK, huh?

Child labor? Women's rights? Food & drug Standards? Due process?

Libertopian States' Rights posturing sounds great, until we rub even a few little grey cells together.

So what you're saying is that rights can only be preserved by large, more distant government bodies?

Shouldn't you be pushing for a world government then? That would surely protect our rights even more than our federal government could.

 

[Abraxas]

So what you're saying is that rights can only be preserved by large, more distant government bodies?

Shouldn't you be pushing for a world government then? That would surely protect our rights even more than our federal government could.

Not to speak for Jhhnn but can you deny that as far as civil rights for African Americans go, the federal government being able to trump local government has been a good thing?

 

[nextJin]

Nice bit of false attribution & strawman construction. I made no mention of Ron Paul.

Don't have to, why with yourself First, and many others who slammed him over and over and yet you mention this its a perfectly fair assessment.

 

[Anarchist420]

Not to speak for Jhhnn but can you deny that as far as civil rights for African Americans go, the federal government being able to trump local government has been a good thing?

It is easily deniable because the U.S. Govt mostly kills brown people overseas and it mostly arrests black people in the war on freedom.

It was not good in the long terms for blacks because it made them dependent on things produced by whites which demotivated them from being more productive.

 

[nextJin]

Not to speak for Jhhnn but can you deny that as far as civil rights for African Americans go, the federal government being able to trump local government has been a good thing?

The incarceration rate is extraordinarily high because of the federal government, yet the only people championing that issue are the same people who are apparently the most racist states rights people in existence.

 

[First]

You're wasting breath. You're talking to a guy who literally thinks insurance companies should be allowed to execute you if they think it will be profitable. For all intents and purposes you are dealing with a chatbot that programmed to only produce spite and nonsensical quote lifts from poorly thought out objectivist and anarcho-capitalist websites.

Oh for sure, I've known about his unbalanced, uneducated opinions for a while now.

 

[Abraxas]

It is easily deniable because the U.S. Govt mostly kills brown people overseas and it mostly arrests black people in the war on freedom.

It was not good in the long terms for blacks because it made them dependent on things produced by whites which demotivated them from being more productive.

Did you just bust out the "lazy blacks" stereotype to argue why government intervention in civil rights matters is unnecessary?

The incarceration rate is extraordinarily high because of the federal government, yet the only people championing that issue are the same people who are apparently the most racist states rights people in existence.

Sure, the Fedral government has contributed to that problem, though you would be hard pressed to argue local governments don't also incarcerate blacks at an extraordinarily high rate, but still, because of the Federal government we no longer have segregation, Jim Crow, or poll taxes. Does that not count as a significant positive?

 

[jackstar7]

Then please, explain what you're talking about. The federal income tax funds the federal government, which is what this thread is about. You went on to talking about clean water, which is provided by local governments.

Nah. It's not germane to the discussion.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I know it's difficult. Things are rough at home and it gets to be too much and so you have to lash out.

It gets better.

Sorry but your denial of rationality doesn't change the facts. It won't get better for you I'm sorry to say. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand. Dumbass.

 

[NoStateofMind]

You're wasting breath. You're talking to a guy who literally thinks insurance companies should be allowed to execute you if they think it will be profitable. For all intents and purposes you are dealing with a chatbot that programmed to only produce spite and nonsensical quote lifts from poorly thought out objectivist and anarcho-capitalist websites.

If thats what you got out of it then you prove my point that you aren't able to rationalize things in your statist brain. Just because you're a mental midget doesn't make everyone else one too. Go get a fucking life and learn something for a change. Oh wait you aren't capable unless you are programed to understand. I forgot. Forgive me dipshit.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Oh for sure, I've known about his unbalanced, uneducated opinions for a while now.

So much so that you don't have an argument against them eh? What a fucking douchebag. Proclaim you know better but fail to produce a rational argument? Insane much?

 

[Jhhnn]

Then please, explain what you're talking about. The federal income tax funds the federal government, which is what this thread is about. You went on to talking about clean water, which is provided by local governments.

It's tough to provide downstream citizens with clean water from heavily polluted streams & rivers. That's why the EPA has been particularly active here in Colorado, as we sit at the head of every major western watershed.

One of Colorado's worst offenders was the anti-tax conservative teahad haven of Colorado Springs, who finally secured a federal grant so that they wouldn't regularly poison Fountain Creek with the raw sewage of 500,000 people.

The pled poverty for decades, even as they slurped up massive federal monies from several military installations.

 

[Jhhnn]

It is easily deniable because the U.S. Govt mostly kills brown people overseas and it mostly arrests black people in the war on freedom.

It was not good in the long terms for blacks because it made them dependent on things produced by whites which demotivated them from being more productive.

Gawd that's lame. Being held in a subservient socio-economic position must create less dependency than equality, right?

Which is really the legacy of Slavery in this country, particularly in parts where Slavery was practiced. Inequality held blacks in subservience.

 

[Abraxas]

If thats what you got out of it then you prove my point that you aren't able to rationalize things in your statist brain. Just because you're a mental midget doesn't make everyone else one too. Go get a fucking life and learn something for a change. Oh wait you aren't capable unless you are programed to understand. I forgot. Forgive me dipshit.

You posted this link to demonstrate how crime and punishment would work in your anarcho-capitalist not-utopia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmMpgVNc6Y&list=PL6BA8E5DB4D4EE53D

If that isn't what you got out of it, then that just proves my point that you are little more than a mindless talking point and insult repeating script that demonstrates the dangers of not testing code until it hits production. Honestly, are you seriously too stupid to figure out your own link, the evidence you brought forward to clarify your position, explicitly puts in terms of whether or not it is profitable to kill someone is how life and death decisions work in your society? This is a rhetorical question; of course you are.

 

[jackstar7]

Sorry but your denial of rationality doesn't change the facts. It won't get better for you I'm sorry to say. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand. Dumbass.

So hostile.

I'm not your dad.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I can't comprehend stuff.

Yeah I know. Maybe you should watch it a few more times? Play it for dragon speaking so you can read the text? Ah shit who am I kidding? You're The same dipshit who owns themselves but doesn't at the same time. Delusion infested state worshipping robot. Keep your head in your ass though as that is about as rational as you get.

Oh yeah and I insult the willfully ignorant stagnant mind. Don't like it? START THINKING.

 

[NoStateofMind]

So hostile.

I'm not your dad.

Yep I have no regret in treating the willing wicked like the immoral advocates they are. Get a fucking clue.

 

[dmens]

Delusional rant of Denial.

There is no linkage of highway funds & drug enforcement laws, for example. Red States, in general, have more repressive drug laws-

http://www.alternet.org/story/150935/the_5_worst_states_to_get_busted_with_pot

http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/09/half-ounce-of-pot-gets-louisiana-man-twenty-years-in-prison/

Contrast that with Hippy-dippy Ebil Libruhl Colorado & Washington, where possession is legal, and where retail sales will begin Jan 1, 2014. Highway funds are unaffected.

You will, of course, believe what you want to believe, regardless of the evidence. It's all about so-called "Values". It's a basic feature of Teahadists & Libertopians.

If you haven't been paying attention, Eric Holder and the DOJ only recently gave up threatening Washington and Colorado with penalties for the possible refusal of drug law enforcement by state and local police, probably because the threats made Obama look like a total hypocrite from his 2008 election soundbites. California and the feds have been playing that game for years, with highway, police assistance and Medicare monies on the hook.

You talk as if states are monolithic. Here in blue state Oregon, the "liberals" in Multnomah county enforce drug laws just as viciously as the "conservatives" in the eastern counties. In return all the LEO agencies were awarded with military toys and increased "helper" funding from the feds.

Other examples of federal money for compliance abound, for example, the Cornhusker kickback for Obamacare, or taxpayer bailout money for Michigan in return for continued union support for D. The federal government runs a spoils racket.

I have no idea what you are referring to with "Values", but I suppose its some juvenile distinction you are still trying to draw between the two parties (as if they are different). Grow up already.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you haven't been paying attention, Eric Holder and the DOJ only recently gave up threatening Washington and Colorado with penalties for the possible refusal of drug law enforcement by state and local police, probably because the threats made Obama look like a total hypocrite from his 2008 election soundbites. California and the feds have been playing that game for years, with highway, police assistance and Medicare monies on the hook.

You couldn't document that assertion if your life depended on it. There were no "penalties" threatened, either, other than the feds enforcing the law themselves.

Oregon MJ law, btw-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Oregon

When was the last time somebody got 20 years for possession in Oregon, anyway?

The only reason legalization failed in Oregon was because of a poorly written ballot measure, same in California. Next time, just copy Colorado's Amendment 64-

http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/s/regulate-marijuana-alcohol-act-2012

And I'm pretty sure that Teahadists, in general, don't have the kind of "values" allowing for drug legalization, at all. They are deeply authoritarian on that issue & most others.