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100 Kurds dead after a campaign by the Turkish army

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SamurAchzar

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In a massive bombing campaign, Turkey claims to have killed about 100 PKK fighters over the last week. Those Kurds who just want a national home have to suffer the viciousness of the NATO-backed, Turkish army.

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The Turkish army says it has killed up to 100 Kurdish rebels in a week of air and artillery strikes on suspected PKK bases in northern Iraq.

A statement on the army website said that, according to its estimates, between 90 and 100 were killed and more than 80 wounded.

The PKK has confirmed three deaths, while local reports say a family of seven were killed by the bombing.

Turkey began the strikes after deadly PKK attacks on its soldiers.

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The Turkish shelling targeted civilians basically”

Kardo Mohammed
Member of the Iraqi Kurdish parliament
Carried out between 17 and 22 August, they are believed to be the first major strikes on rebel bases in northern Iraq in over a year.

They came shortly after PKK fighters ambushed a troop convoy last Wednesday, killing nine soldiers and injuring 14.

The PKK launched its armed insurrection in the Turkish south-east in 1984. At least 40,000 people have been killed since then.

The group is designated as a terrorist organisation by Turkey, the EU and the US.

Hopes of negotiations raised before the recent Turkish general election appear to have been dashed by the upsurge in fighting.

'Civilians targeted'

The Iraqi Kurdish town of Rania saw mourning for civilians killed
Most of the 132 targets reportedly hit were described by the army as "shelters" but they also included nine anti-aircraft sites and one arms dump.

Kurdish sources often give very different figures and accounts from the Turkish military and it is often impossible to verify such figures independently.

On Monday, PKK spokesman Ahmed Denis said three fighters had been killed during initial strikes on Dohuk province in northern Iraq.

The spokesman added that if Turkey continued its attacks, the PKK would "go to war with Turkey".

Officials in northern Iraq say a family of seven was killed in its car on Sunday.


Barham Ahmed Hama Rasheed, mayor of the town of Rania, said those killed included three children and a baby aged three months.

Kardo Mohammed, a member of the Iraqi Kurdish parliament, said the shelling constituted a breach of international conventions and agreements between the two countries.

"The Turkish shelling targeted civilians basically, and the proof is the killing of these seven civilians, including children," he was quoted as saying by Reuters news agency.

"We do not believe that the planes cannot differentiate between civilian and military, or a child and a fighter carrying a rifle," the Iraqi Kurdish MP added.

The Turkish military insisted that all targets were repeatedly assessed and only attacked "after it was established with certainty that they were not areas inhabited by civilians".
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Turkey, the leading critic of Israel ever since Muslim extremist Arduan took power, is slaughtering Kurdish civilians, some in Turkey and some in Iraq while violating the latter sovereignty. In the past, Western countries found evidence of Turkey using chemical weapons against the Kurds. However, being that they are not Jewish and don't apologize over their actions, the Turks pretty much get a free hand to do as they please. How is that for hypocracy?

I hope Israel soon enough arms the PKK rebels with weapons that would put them on a more level field with the Turkish military. Bring the war back to the Turks, gain new friends and even make a buck in the process - hell, why not? If Turkey can openly support Hamas, Israel can back PKK.
 
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Sadam murders Kurds - it's evil, we need to take him out because he is committing genocide!!

Turkey murders Kurds - they are the US' ally.
 
I'm not familiar with the PKK or the politics of Turkey. Is the PKK a Marxist separatist terrorist organization? I see that the European Union, Canada, America, Australia and even Iran consider it a terrorist group.
 
If native americans started banding together and launching attacks on US bases to push for their own nation would the US be an evil country for retaliating?

Iraqs attacks killed 3-5 thousand injured over 10000. That they killed about 100 leads me to believe they were targeting rebels and not just wiping out towns.
 
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AyashiKaibutsu said:
If native americans started banding together and launching attacks on US bases to push for their own nation would the US be an evil country for retaliating?
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Liberals consider Israel evil for doing the same, although in that case it's not military bases that are attacked but civilians (which is even worse).
 
Schadenfroh: read up on the Kurds-they are like the tribes of Israel, a people without a homeland. They are roughly a quarter of the population of Turkey and sizeable chunks of Iran and Iraq and part of Syria.

Probably the major positive effect of GWB's war in Iraq is that the Kurds there now have defacto home rule, so long as they don't declare independence and so long as Iraq doesn't go to hell when the final US troops withdraw. GWB did much better by them than his father, who encouraged revolt against Saddam during and after the first Iraq war and then left them high and dry.

I've never heard of PKK being labeled marxist (a rather quaint old fashioned tag) but they are violent revolutionaries that want their own country. They and the government of Turkey (including past secular governments) have been involved in a bloody war for years, if not decades.
 
Yeah those Turks have some nerve responding to lethal attacks on their soldiers and territory.

If you piss into the wind, don't be surprised if you get wet.
 
kage69 said:
Yeah those Turks have some nerve responding to lethal attacks on their soldiers and territory.

If you piss into the wind, don't be surprised if you get wet.
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Terrorists attacked. What a huge surprise.

Title should be "Turkey eliminates 100 terrorists."
 
kage69 said:
Yeah those Turks have some nerve responding to lethal attacks on their soldiers and territory.

If you piss into the wind, don't be surprised if you get wet.
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The Kurds need to take a page from the Palestinian playbook on PR tools for fools.
 
The Kurds have gotten fucked over by just about everyone for a few centuries including the western powers.

With Saddam gone and them in control of a substantial amount of Iraq's oil (money) Iran, Syria, and Turkey are going to have to deal with the Kurdish question on more equitable terms than in the past. Turkey has the most motivation to do so since the EU will never let them join without resolving this problem in a peaceful manner.
 
kage69 said:
Yeah those Turks have some nerve responding to lethal attacks on their soldiers and territory.

If you piss into the wind, don't be surprised if you get wet.
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Unless you are Sadam Hussein - then we just have another reason to invade Iraq.

By all means, defend yourself and support those who do defend themselves. But, when you are praising defending yourself from the SAME persons you are claiming needs to be protected, by killing off a dictator who is out to exterminate them; you are a hypocrite.

Who is your true enemy? You can't have it both ways.
 
I see this as a Naked attempt by Israeli fan clubbers to compare Turkey v Kurds, with Israelis v Palestinians.

1. Palestinians have no vote in Israel, Kurds in Turkey can and do vote. And as Oric points out, the majority Turkish party of Ergodan has done much in the past few years to make various reforms and defuse Kurdish issues. And at the same time, at high expense, a large part of the Turkish army is deployed at the Iraqi Turkish Border to try to prevent PKK terrorist from bombing in Turkey proper.

2. The Palestinians want to make a State out of disputed territory Israel does not own, Kurds want to make a State out of parts of Turkey, Northern Iraq, and parts of Syria
already owned by existing States.

3.The Israeli population of Palestinians without a vote are mainly centered around Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem but the dominant government is Israeli. In the Northern Areas of Iraq, again the population is majority Kurdish, and it enjoys considerable autonomy from Iraq only a tiny minority actively advocate leaving Iraq to form a new Country. But just about every Palestinian wants their own State.
 
It certainly would be interesting to see Israel arm these terrorists against the US's wishes.
I do wish you luck and hope you make your quick buck.
 
Is any situation involving separatists resolved by more than whether you like them?

If you do, they're freedom fighters oppressed by a tyrannical country.

If you don't, they're terrorists and the government is doing the right thing by putting down a rebellion and protecting the country.

One is the US revolution, the next the US civil war.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Terrorists attacked. What a huge surprise.

Title should be "Turkey eliminates 100 terrorists."
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The article says that the PKK has been targeting Turkish "soliders," not Turkish civilians. Accordingly, the article's labeling of the PKK as "rebels," rather than either "terrorists" or "freedom fighters" seems accurate. While I agree that one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, there are some outer contours to the definition of terrorism. The root word of terrorism is terror. It's aim is to instill terror in a civilian population so that the population will influence it's government to achieve some political end for the terrorist. Targeting military does not achieve that objective particularly well.
 
The other thing to mention is that when Turkey bombs PKK fighters, its in uninhabited mountain areas because they can't find shelter in the populated areas of Northern Iraq.
 
It should be noted here that Turkey is the #1 trade partner of Kurdish autonomous region of N.Iraq. Your pointless attempt to compare Turkey and Israel ends here ...
 
AyashiKaibutsu said:
If native americans started banding together and launching attacks on US bases to push for their own nation would the US be an evil country for retaliating?

Iraqs attacks killed 3-5 thousand injured over 10000. That they killed about 100 leads me to believe they were targeting rebels and not just wiping out towns.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42645056/ns/world_news-europe/t/pushed-aside-turkeys-kurds-lose-hope/

For nearly two decades until Ocalan's capture, the PKK and the military were openly at war. The conflict claimed more than 30,000 lives, depopulated swathes of the southeast and displaced millions. Torture was common and thousands were killed or disappeared at the hands of the army and pro-government death squads, according to Human Rights Watch.
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kurdish is outlawed and kurds are openly discriminated against...
 
Broheim, don't gibber on subjects you have no clue about

TheRe is a STATE channel broadcasting only in Kurdish in Turkey for 24/7 (TRT 6) and you claim Kurdish is outlawed

Please tune your time machine to TODAY not 1990 ies ...
 
Oric said:
It should be noted here that Turkey is the #1 trade partner of Kurdish autonomous region of N.Iraq. Your pointless attempt to compare Turkey and Israel ends here ...
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the main trading partner of the Gaza strip is Isreal....
 
Broheim said:
the main trading partner of the Gaza strip is Isreal....
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Has it not occurred to you that Gaza strip is under embargo of Israel and trade with Gaza is strictly controlled by Israel. Oh the wonders of the world !!

I repeat, get a clue !
 
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