$100 fill-up coming to pump near you

[Throckmorton]

The only solution is for people to move closer to work and for cities to compress.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The only solution is for people to move closer to work and for cities to compress.

Absolutely correct, but try getting most people to give up their large house in the "safe" suburbs for a small condo/apartment close to downtown.

Historically, cheap gas has allowed people to use their cars to escape congestion and live out in the suburbs, away from densification and the feeling of being "crowded". Eventually, more people move to an area of the suburbs, it becomes more crowded, and people move even farther away from the city centre.

It's like a greyhound chasing the mechanical rat. People think they can still escape the congestion, but at a certain point, the sprawl becomes unmanageable when people live long distances from a city centre. Everyone converges on the same freeway which is supposed to streamline the commute, but there are too many cars on it because so many people have moved out to the suburbs. It costs too much to use a large amount of fuel for commuting into the city every day. Crisis.

Cliffs: Urban sprawl FTL.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The only solution is for people to move closer to work and for cities to compress.

Absolutely correct, but try getting most people to give up their large house in the "safe" suburbs for a small condo/apartment close to downtown.

Historically, cheap gas has allowed people to use their cars to escape congestion and live out in the suburbs, away from densification and the feeling of being "crowded". Eventually, more people move to an area of the suburbs, it becomes more crowded, and people move even farther away from the city centre.

It's like a greyhound chasing the mechanical rat. People think they can still escape the congestion, but at a certain point, the sprawl becomes unmanageable when people live long distances from a city centre. Everyone converges on the same freeway which is supposed to streamline the commute, but there are too many cars on it because so many people have moved out to the suburbs. It costs too much to use a large amount of fuel for commuting into the city every day. Crisis.

Cliffs: Urban sprawl FTL.

:thumbsup: I live in an area that has a pretty good mix of homes and quite a bit of industry so finding work close to home for me has been relatively easy. Still, I work with people who spent the last 10 years or so moving out to areas where they could buy a larger home for less money but they are driving 20-30 miles in heavy traffic 5 days a week and spending at least 2 hours a day in their car. I'd rather have a smaller house close to where I work and be able to ride my bike to work (which I do).

It also amazes me that so many people just bury their head in the sand and keep buying these gas guzzling behemoths. Gas is just going to keep increasing in price as oil becomes more difficult to extract and demand keeps increasing. I welcome higher gas prices. Maybe then we, as a nation, will actually do something about our reliance on oil.

Seriously, it's like someone telling you that your local dump is too full of trash and that if you don't cut down your waste it will pollute the water you drink and you'll start to smell it so what do you do? You throw out your recycle bin and create even more trash.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The only solution is for people to move closer to work and for cities to compress.

I'm sure people will now sell their houses in a slumping market and eat a bunch of realitor fees so they can move closer to work and buy a house that costs twice as much...rather then just buying an econobox when their suburban craps out.

I just don't see what you suggest happening. It doesn't make sense financially or culturally in the US.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

It also amazes me that so many people just bury their head in the sand and keep buying these gas guzzling behemoths. Gas is just going to keep increasing in price as oil becomes more difficult to extract and demand keeps increasing. I welcome higher gas prices. Maybe then we, as a nation, will actually do something about our reliance on oil.

which is why aveo sales were up 58% in october vs. the previous october, cobalt sales were up 81%, ford edge had its best month, escape was up 27%, prius up 44% (67% ytd), rav4 26%, fit up 67.3% (were they even out last year, though?), versa sales up 111% (363% ytd, but wasn't sold all of last year).

hummer sales were down 20.7% for the month, and 33.2% for the year, silverado sales were down 11.1% for the month (though only 1.9% for the year, probably has something to do with the fact that it is still pretty new), colorado sales were down 22.6%, F-series down 7.5%, ram down 13%, sequioa down 46% even though it was just redesigned, land cruiser down 19%, and LX 470 down 78%, nissan and infiniti 'truck' sales down despite the newly introduced rogue.

the anomalies to this trend are the tundra, up 71% (which is new, so not really anomalous), the suburban up 15.3% (16.5% ytd), tahoe up 26.8% (though down 5.4% ytd).

 

[Spikesoldier]

12.43 gallons @ 2.979 today cost me $37.03

first time i have ever broken the 36 and 37 dollar mark

 

[Saint Nick]

I don't care about gas too much right now. I drive my Cavalier and fill up about once every three weeks at about $30 a fill up. I can afford that for now.

Once I begin my journey around the world (ala puffff), then I won't have to worry about a car

 

[miri]

Gas is $3.49 at newport beach

luckily me and my wife live only a few miles from work

 

[CorCentral]

My Ford E350ext 1ton van cost me about $104.00 right now :laugh:
$2.97/gal x35gal tank = $103.95

$3.50/gal = $122.50

 

[oboeguy]

Originally posted by: Citrix
We all need to drive

I beg to differ. I very rarely need to drive!

 

[squirrel dog]

I'll pay more at the pump . Better than paying at the ER or the grave yard .

 

[StageLeft]

The only solution is for people to move closer to work and for cities to compress.

No, buy a smaller car.

people who spent the last 10 years or so moving out to areas where they could buy a larger home for less money but they are driving 20-30 miles in heavy traffic 5 days a week and spending at least 2 hours a day in their car.

Those kinds of people are scum. The South is full of them. It's part of the reason we moved. It was evident that we were either going to be enslaved by a mortgage in close or ever-increasingly owned by tons and tons of fvcking traffic. I don't understand how people can tolerate it for years and years (assuming they have a choice, and many do). I think they are terrible, awful people and should be put into meat grinders.

It also amazes me that so many people just bury their head in the sand and keep buying these gas guzzling behemoths.

People dumb and also I think some have this sense that it's their God given right to drive watever the F they want and be damned if they have to buy smaller because of gas prices. I bet their credit cards are loving every minute of it now.

Remeber it was only a couple of years ago we were pissed because gas was over $2. HAHA. I haven't consistently paid less than $3/gallon in over a year, but now that I drive only 10 miles to work (and it's not highly congested!) it's not a big deal.

elfenix your points are taken but don't really contradict his statement about so many people.

 

[Linux23]

You people should really watch "Who killed the electric car"

 

[soulcougher73]

It is all about the MPG not the size of the tank. If said Ford F250 Super Duty got 30 MPG with its 38 Gallon tank it wouldnt be any worse then driving a Civic. But it would go farther before having to refuel since the Civic probably only holds what 12-14 gallons?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: miri
Gas is $3.49 at newport beach

luckily me and my wife live only a few miles from work

I filled up my car the other day and paid $3.73/gallon for premium.

I only live 10 miles from work and I ride a bicycle to work 2-3 days a week on average.

 

[Journer]

diesel ftw...a few modifications here and there and you got a big ass truck that can get 25-30mpg (if not towing anything)...beat that honda...

 

[Gooberlx2]

I probably spend $100 or less on gas every month. However, if I were to take the bus to/from work, it would still cost me $100/month on the goddamn pass....and that doesn't include the fill ups from all the other places I drive. I want to take the bus...but fuck 'em until they give me some incentive.

 

[Fritzo]

I got gas yesterday in my xA...filled up from empty for $29.50 @$2.93, and that'll last me about a week.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I probably spend $100 or less on gas every month. However, if I were to take the bus to/from work, it would still cost me $100/month on the goddamn pass....and that doesn't include the fill ups from all the other places I drive. I want to take the bus...but fuck 'em until they give me some incentive.

The treatment of public transportation in a business is a problem IMO. In Europe I believe they view it as a public service, just like roads. Here, roads are a public service that encourages sprawl, while public transportation which could help densify cities, reduce fuel usage, and help business, is a private enterprise.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade
really ridiculous to be driving low mpg vehicles right now unless you have to for your business/work. i see people in Humvees driving around getting 8-10 mpg and i wonder what they are thinking.

I see people doing lots of things that cost $$$. Most of the time I don't question them. If they are okay with it, then who am I to tell them to stop.

where the hell in that statement does it read that I am out there telling them to stop.

where the hell in my statement does it read that I am saying you are telling them to stop.

 

[malbojah]

Originally posted by: ryan256
OMG! Its going to cost a whole $15 to fill up my Shadow 1100

And with it's 3 gallon tank, you'll get 100 miles before you need to fill up again

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I probably spend $100 or less on gas every month. However, if I were to take the bus to/from work, it would still cost me $100/month on the goddamn pass....and that doesn't include the fill ups from all the other places I drive. I want to take the bus...but fuck 'em until they give me some incentive.

The treatment of public transportation in a business is a problem IMO. In Europe I believe they view it as a public service, just like roads. Here, roads are a public service that encourages sprawl, while public transportation which could help densify cities, reduce fuel usage, and help business, is a private enterprise.

It's not private here in Denver, and it still costs that much. Either that or it's a public-private partnership, 'cause we're paying taxes on those bastards.

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I probably spend $100 or less on gas every month. However, if I were to take the bus to/from work, it would still cost me $100/month on the goddamn pass....and that doesn't include the fill ups from all the other places I drive. I want to take the bus...but fuck 'em until they give me some incentive.

helping to save the planet is not incentive enough?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
Also, there are PLENTY of people who spend way beyond their means for a fancy SUV and struggle to make the payments. All the while they live in some run-down apt.

Personal responsibility and choice. There's plenty who live in a nice apartment/condo or house and have a driveway full of $400 beaters too.

$100 fill-up has been a reality for many for quite some time. It might now be the $150 fill-up or even the $200 fill-up that is coming to a station near you...

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Linux23

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I probably spend $100 or less on gas every month. However, if I were to take the bus to/from work, it would still cost me $100/month on the goddamn pass....and that doesn't include the fill ups from all the other places I drive. I want to take the bus...but fuck 'em until they give me some incentive.

helping to save the planet is not incentive enough?

No, it's not.