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100,000v stun gun, $16 no rebates
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A taser is right at $1000.
A decent 9mm pistol is under $500.
A taser, you get ONE shot before having to reload.
A pistol, you get between 8 and 16 shots, depending upon the model.
A taser is no fun at the range.
A pistol can be loads of fun poking holes in a paper target.
A decent 9mm pistol is under $500.
A taser, you get ONE shot before having to reload.
A pistol, you get between 8 and 16 shots, depending upon the model.
A taser is no fun at the range.
A pistol can be loads of fun poking holes in a paper target.
Yes but see it's only cheaper in the meantime because if you constantly blast ammo out of it the ammo costs will add up.
Of course ammo is cheap as heck so it's a more or less a non-issue but I guess in theory if you had to take down like 1000 people it might actually be cheaper with the tazer depending on the number of bullets you used on each person lol.
Oh and no manslaughter or murder charges. So that alone could save you millions since you don't have to hire a hi-power lawyer lol
Anyways a used AK-47 is under $50 in South Africa.
DaFOBulous1
Diamond Member
OK...back to topic. I'm looking to get a self-defense "kit" for my gf...should I get both pepperspray and stun gun?
Ricemarine
Lifer
ROFL :laugh:
Maybe prescotts can use it more efficiently.
They were showing stun guns on the news this week and showed police testing them on each other. It was putting some rather large men to the ground. I'm fairly sure it was a stun gun and not a tazer. ?
I was reading SWA's policy, that says they do allow pepper spray under 4 oz in carry on. Anyone done it?
I wish I could carry a stun gun or pepper spray in some of the more unsafe amusement parks.
I didn't see this demo, so I can't directly comment.
BTW, one of the biggest downsides to stun guns is clothing. Good luck shocking someone through a winter coat. One of the reasons tasers are more effective than stun guns is that they encounter fewer ohms. Piercing the skin with barbs will do that.
Regarding the effective of stun guns, a lot of the effect depends on psychology. If someone thinks a weapon is going to hurt them, it has a much greater chance of doing so. People have literally gone into shock and almost died from being grazed by a .22. OTOH, back when I was still a cop, a perp in Cook County took 19 shots to the torso before going down (mostly .38s). In the famous shoot-out in Florida (don't remember the name, but the one that inspired the FBI creation of the 10mm and .49 S&W rounds) -- one of the guys took a lethal hit in the opening shots but continued to fight for 5 minutes with multiple other hits, including 00 buck in his face.
Applying this "predisposition" principle to the news clip you saw, I'm wondering if the police were subjected to product hype beforehand -- surrounded by "safety experts" who were there to catch them when the fell, made to stand on safety mats, watch video demonstrations of people being "taken down", etc. -- measures to dispose them to fear the effectiveness of the item. Under those circumstances, especially if the mood was light and jovial, I imagine people would quite likely topple to the floor. Stuns guns do hurt like a mother.
But ask one of those guys to apply it to himself and make it a challenge to see which cop can do it the longest (like we did at Chicago Police Academy - btw, fun to train with Mr. T's older brother) and I'd bet you'd see quite a different picture. As you would if you tried it on someone who was dead-set on beating your head into the pavement.
One thing that does make stun guns somewhat effective, IMO, is that people generally fear them. Holding out a stun gun at night with blue electricity arcing out is intimidating. But I'd rather not depend on mere intimidation for my safety. Intoxicated people (probably the majority of people who want to hurt you) often don't care about getting hurt and their pain response is significantly dulled anyway.
All I'm saying is this -- I'd hate to see someone get hurt because they thought a stun gun would protect them, and it turned out not to. My wife gets assaulted by neighborhood dogs (I hope never by a person) and the only device I've entrusted her safety to is a large canister of Sabre 10% OC pepper spray (typical civilian models have 1%). I also recommend buying a training canister so you can practice how to use it and know what to expect (plus you could use it to freak out a buddy).
But if you decide to use the pepper spray, never threaten someone with it. Just pull it out and spray the guy down without warning. Seriously. Forget using short bursts. Hose the guy down without warning -- and then run. Warning the guy just gives him the opportunity to psych himself up, protect his eyes, or attack you suddenly. It's totally non-lethal, so just hose him down and then run.
I hate to contradict Mr. Miagi, but:
Strike hard, strike fast, show no mercy.
The fact that you're using a non-lethal method of protection is mercy enough. Anything more than that and you just risk your own safety -- and the safety of anyone who might be with you.
cashmoney007
Member
"...the only device I've entrusted her safety to is a large canister of Sabre 10% OC pepper spray... "
So, basically you're with Rev. skunk on this, when he said, "Letuspray."
Save the Black Talons for when you're pissed!
So, basically you're with Rev. skunk on this, when he said, "Letuspray."
I could not agree more! One:thumbsup: Two:thumbsup:
Save the Black Talons for when you're pissed!
addikt1337
Member
I've thought about moving up to those from my 165gr Corbon, Speer Gold Dot or one of the newer Corbon for my defense weapon. RF, your post made me chuckle.
That's a great video to illustrate the danger of trusting a stun gun.
The taser in this video is quite effective at taking down a bull. Pretty impressive. But a taser pierces the skin and doesn't have to deal with the electrical resistance of skin or clothing that a stun gun has to go through.
But more importantly, note what the bull does immediately after the juice stops flowing -- he gets up instantly to render an arse-whoopin' to the nearest piece of flesh and blood. Do you want a self-defense item that works only as long as you continually apply it to the attacker? A self-defense item should, at a minimum, give you enough time to vacate the premises and get to somewhere safe.
So watch the video and note how effective such items could be... and how ineffective.
Voltage in stun guns is like MHz in CPUs -- it doesn't tell the whole story. In fact, it can be downright misleading. You can crank up voltage all you want, but every time you do, you decrease the amps. I'm sure there a technical limitations due to how many coils of wire you can squeeze into the transformer. What one really needs to know is how much current (amperage) will be delivered against the resistance that is likely to be encountered (skin, clothing).
Finding that out is harder than a newbie trying to figure out CPU performance from a processor name.
But a cap in a microwave is powered by a 120v outlet with 15-30 amps. Stun guns are typically powered by a standard 9v transistor battery. I imagine that the best models use a NiCad battery, but we're still talking about a handheld battery. (NiCads are tops when it comes to rapid drain, like in this or power tools). Even the best handheld batteries won't hold a candle to a wall outlet.
Now, maybe if you powered one of these with a 12v automotive lead-acid battery. That should do the trick.
BTW, ever played with a vandergraff generator? You can play with several hundreds of thousands of volts and the worst thing that will happen is your hair will stand up, or you might give someone a light shock. High voltage means little by itself. If you don't believe me, take a set of jumper cables and hook them up to your car battery. Then lick both cables at once. On second thought, please don't. I'm joking. No, really... DON'T! It may be only 12v, but there's several hundred amps lying in wait.
BTW, this has been fun and all, but we're seriously off-topic at this point so I promise to stop. I'm also on the verge of thread-crapping, but I just don't want anyone to put their safety unnecessarily at risk.
Peace... out.
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