Hugenstein
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Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
So basically we can look at this two ways.
1. A well regulated Militia is no longer necessary for the security of a free State--so the government can infringe on the right to bear arms all it wants.
2. A well regulated Militia is still necessary for the security of a free State--so owning a gun makes you part of the "well regulated" Militia. What did I just put in quotes there...."well regulated", what could "well regulated" possibly mean...hmmm...that's right the government may not be able to infringe on your right to bear arms, but they can sure as hell regulate it. The government is perfectly within its rights under the second ammendment to make you take gun classes, force you to get a concealed weapons permit, prevent felons from owning guns, limit the type of guns you can own, etc......
There is nothing I hate more than people who spout off 2nd Ammendment, without actually reading it. I guess that is why the supreme court doesn't overturn gun laws, they have actually read and interpreted the 2nd Ammendment.
Pretty much everything on this top ten list is completely worthless without an explanation.
1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases. -What does that mean "in almost all cases." This sounds very familiar like it came straight out of an ad from the Republican party. Anyway this is a pretty small issue in the scope of things and it is left to the states to decide on the death penalty, so the president's opinion on the issue really doesn't matter unless he has made it a cornerstone of his campaign to get enough supreme court justices to overturn the death penalty. He hasn't to my knowledge, this issue has nothing to do with the presidential election.
2. Voted many times against tax cuts. - This is a completely worthless statement. Give me a list of what specific bills he voted against and why that was wrong. Simply voting against tax cuts doesn't make the vote wrong.
3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers. - This is my favorite one, exactly what bill did he vote against that killed these programs. What other parts of the bill were there. Was there anything ridicilous about the bill, say for instance giving more money to the military than they asked for.
4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions. -Was this one bill or more than one. Perhaps there was an issue with one portion of the bill, that he disagreed with, for instance an outright ban on "partial-birth" abortions even in cases where the life of the mother was in danger.
5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states. - This is a states issue, I don't see why congress is dealing with this. Either way discrminating against people is not something we are supposed to do here. We may have left sexaulity of the sex, race, and creed discrimination list, but its pretty hypocritical to start the discrimination now. Besides which If one state doesn't recognize another state's gay marriage there will be a whole ball of issues that come with that, like if a member of a gay marriage is injured in a state that doesn't support gay marriage is he still covered under his partner's health insurance that would cover him if he was injured in his "home" state, etc.
6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War. - Which bill did he specifically vote against. Were there changes to the bill which was later voted for by Kerry. What were the changes?
7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq. - Why did he do this, did he later change his vote after the issues he has were worked out?
8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs. -taxes should come from related areas, gas taxes should pay for roads, etc.
9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11. - When did he do this, what speeches, what votes, etc.
10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers. - Again, when did he do this, and if so why did he do this.
If you want to convince me of something, you are going to have to make a reasonable, well thought out argument that is backed up by facts.
Oh and by the way Al Gore did "invent the Internet" as the Republicans would say, or "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet. " as Al Gore actually said. Do a little research about what Al Gore actually did, he actually did some pretty important things to get it out of the government's hand and into the public's. Now that it doesn't matter to a presidential election maybe some Republicans will be more willing to accept the truth.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
So basically we can look at this two ways.
1. A well regulated Militia is no longer necessary for the security of a free State--so the government can infringe on the right to bear arms all it wants.
2. A well regulated Militia is still necessary for the security of a free State--so owning a gun makes you part of the "well regulated" Militia. What did I just put in quotes there...."well regulated", what could "well regulated" possibly mean...hmmm...that's right the government may not be able to infringe on your right to bear arms, but they can sure as hell regulate it. The government is perfectly within its rights under the second ammendment to make you take gun classes, force you to get a concealed weapons permit, prevent felons from owning guns, limit the type of guns you can own, etc......
There is nothing I hate more than people who spout off 2nd Ammendment, without actually reading it. I guess that is why the supreme court doesn't overturn gun laws, they have actually read and interpreted the 2nd Ammendment.
Pretty much everything on this top ten list is completely worthless without an explanation.
1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases. -What does that mean "in almost all cases." This sounds very familiar like it came straight out of an ad from the Republican party. Anyway this is a pretty small issue in the scope of things and it is left to the states to decide on the death penalty, so the president's opinion on the issue really doesn't matter unless he has made it a cornerstone of his campaign to get enough supreme court justices to overturn the death penalty. He hasn't to my knowledge, this issue has nothing to do with the presidential election.
2. Voted many times against tax cuts. - This is a completely worthless statement. Give me a list of what specific bills he voted against and why that was wrong. Simply voting against tax cuts doesn't make the vote wrong.
3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers. - This is my favorite one, exactly what bill did he vote against that killed these programs. What other parts of the bill were there. Was there anything ridicilous about the bill, say for instance giving more money to the military than they asked for.
4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions. -Was this one bill or more than one. Perhaps there was an issue with one portion of the bill, that he disagreed with, for instance an outright ban on "partial-birth" abortions even in cases where the life of the mother was in danger.
5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states. - This is a states issue, I don't see why congress is dealing with this. Either way discrminating against people is not something we are supposed to do here. We may have left sexaulity of the sex, race, and creed discrimination list, but its pretty hypocritical to start the discrimination now. Besides which If one state doesn't recognize another state's gay marriage there will be a whole ball of issues that come with that, like if a member of a gay marriage is injured in a state that doesn't support gay marriage is he still covered under his partner's health insurance that would cover him if he was injured in his "home" state, etc.
6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War. - Which bill did he specifically vote against. Were there changes to the bill which was later voted for by Kerry. What were the changes?
7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq. - Why did he do this, did he later change his vote after the issues he has were worked out?
8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs. -taxes should come from related areas, gas taxes should pay for roads, etc.
9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11. - When did he do this, what speeches, what votes, etc.
10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers. - Again, when did he do this, and if so why did he do this.
If you want to convince me of something, you are going to have to make a reasonable, well thought out argument that is backed up by facts.
Oh and by the way Al Gore did "invent the Internet" as the Republicans would say, or "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet. " as Al Gore actually said. Do a little research about what Al Gore actually did, he actually did some pretty important things to get it out of the government's hand and into the public's. Now that it doesn't matter to a presidential election maybe some Republicans will be more willing to accept the truth.
