10 reasons why I won't vote for Kerry...

Quixfire

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New York Post | January 29, 2004

1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases.
2. Voted many times against tax cuts.
3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers.
4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions.
5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states.
6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War.
7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq.
8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs.
9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11.
10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Quixfire
New York Post | January 29, 2004

1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases.
2. Voted many times against tax cuts.
3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers.
4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions.
5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states.
6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War.
7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq.
8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs.
9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11.
10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers.
Sound reasons. Of course after seeing what the Dub has done over the past 4 years it's kind of hard to make a good argument for re-electing him.
 

tallest1

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Via your reasoning, I think its pretty easy to assume you're the average war-loving Republican
 

CaptnKirk

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So it's obvious that you failed to study for yourself what Kerry really did, and what is voting history actually constitutes.

You are buying the Bush speil, lock, stock, and barrel - without question their bullshit propaganda.
 

chess9

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Well, I agree with about half of those, but I'll take a President who is reluctant to use our military like some electric sex toy for screwing the world.

-Robert
 

lozina

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In a utopian world, polticians can vote for individual items such as "body armor for soldiers". In the real world, you have to vote on things which are bundled with countless measures which are appended through various revisions and are sometimes totally irrelevent and even contradictory. So you end up with a vote either for a complex list of measures or against another complex list of measures, while there are things you may support and oppose on each side.
 

DoubleL

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I think its pretty easy to assume you're the average war-loving Republican

Very sad when you post something like this, I am a Rep. and I have been in war
 

Red

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Very sad when you post something like this, I am a Rep. and I have been in war

My father was a LRP (long range patrol) ranger paratrooper (51st Infintry, F division) in Vietnam and hates the fact that soldiers are dying in Iraq right now for no good reason.

 

DoubleL

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My father was a LRP (long range patrol) ranger paratrooper (51st Infintry, F division) in Vietnam and hates the fact that soldiers are dying in Iraq right now for no good reason.


Your father was a good man, I hate the fact that soldiers are dying in Iraq to but I don't think they are dying for no good reason,

 

biostud

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Originally posted by: Quixfire
New York Post | January 29, 2004

1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases.
2. Voted many times against tax cuts.
3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers.
4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions.
5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states.
8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs.
9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11.

reasons why I would vote for him, if I was a US citizen :p

 

zantac

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Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Quixfire
New York Post | January 29, 2004

1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases.
2. Voted many times against tax cuts.
3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers.
4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions.
5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states.
8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs.
9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11.

reasons why I would vote for him, if I was a US citizen :p

I agree, those are solid reasons to vote for him, save for the 9th one (which is spin since the cuts in intel kerry supported were money the intel agencies werent even using). Glad to see the New York Post is at their best
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frankgomez75

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I think Bush stepped into a pile of crap and is having one hell of a time trying to wipe his shoes. I've yet to see the Weapons of Mass Destruction and concrete proof that our country was in imminent danger. Granted, we didn't want another 9/11 but the intelligence was not powerful enough to invade and destroy another country (regardless if we agree with their leaders actions)

I'm glad Saddam is out of power and happy those people don't have to live under his tyranny, but the way we dealt with it on a global level has discredited our country in the UN and everywhere else. Even Colin Powell now believes (or is just finally admitting) that the whole Iraq thing may have been exaggerated or misconstrued.

I support our troops, I don't support the man who has ordered them to their deaths based on evidence that was not concrete enough. Bush jumped the gun and has yet to admit it, rather he comes up with excuses.
 

ianbergman

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10 reasons I'll vote for Kerry:

Originally posted by: Quixfire
New York Post | January 29, 2004 1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases. 2. Voted many times against tax cuts. 3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers. 4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions. 5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states. 6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War. 7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq. 8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs. 9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11. 10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers.

1. Death penalty has never been proven to be an effective deterrent and is outlawed in almost every other industrialized country.
2. Recent tax cuts have left us with a 500 BILLION dollar defecit. Yay!
3. B-1 and B-2 bombers have never proved themselves useful. Lots of people think the B-1 is a pretty crappy aircraft. I woulda funded the B-2 program though.
4. Being a minor shouldn't take away a woman (girl's) right to choose what's best for her.
5. Defense of Marriage act infringes on the rights of millions of Americans.
6. OK, so the first Iraq war was justified. Can't win 'em all.
7. We're sinking too much $$ into Iraq, but as long as we're there, we have to finish the job properly. So can't win 'em all.
8. Friggin' right he should call for that. Again I could point to the fact that guns are highly restricted or outright illegal in nearly every industrialized nation on the planet. Funny how their violent crime rate is universally lower too. Very funny, that.
9. I don't know enough about CIA funding and intelligence problems to comment.
10. That sounds like a whole lot of BS. Got anything to back it up?

Let's see... 2/10 that actually mean anything. That kind of sounds like Bush -- maybe 20% of what he says won't lead us into another disaster. the other 80%? ::shudder::

my 2c.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Quixfire
New York Post | January 29, 2004

1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases.
2. Voted many times against tax cuts.
3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers.
4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions.
5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states.
6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War.
7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq.
8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs.
9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11.
10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers.

Most of these are reasons to vote for Kerry. Not cutting taxes or putting more military programs on the tab at times of record deficits is a responsible, common sense thing to do. Don't cut revenues or add expenditures until you figure out how to pay for what you already have. That is common sense everywhere except Washington.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
And the only reason needed to vote for Kerry......



Anyone but Bush!!!

Which is exactly why you should all vote for me! I'm not Bush!
:beer::D


Vote Maddog 2004
Slogan: I'm not Bush!
 

ianbergman

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Originally posted by: Ferocious And the only reason needed to vote for Kerry...... Anyone but Bush!!!
Which is exactly why you should all vote for me! I'm not Bush! :beer::D Vote Maddog 2004 Slogan: I'm not Bush!

you've got my vote
 

InfectedMushroom

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Originally posted by: Quixfire
New York Post | January 29, 2004

1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases.
2. Voted many times against tax cuts.
3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers.
4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions.
5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states.
6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War.
7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq.
8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs.
9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11.
10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers.

great reasons to vote for him.
 

ITJunkie

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
So it's obvious that you failed to study for yourself what Kerry really did, and what is voting history actually constitutes.

You are buying the Bush speil, lock, stock, and barrel - without question their bullshit propaganda.

:beer:
 

Quixfire

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Originally posted by: tallest1
Via your reasoning, I think its pretty easy to assume you're the average war-loving Republican
You are assuming wrong. As a Christian conservative I cannot support someone that goes against most of my fundamental beliefs.

While I don?t believe anybody should have his or her life taken away, capital punishment should be a State issue not a Federal decision.

Tax cuts have historically improved the economy of any nation; raising tax has almost always done the opposite.

Murder is murder, I doesn?t matter how old the person is that makes the choice to push a unborn baby through the birthing canal to the point the head is still in the womb, then take a drill and scramble the babies brains so the rest of it can be pulled out. And as a Roman Catholics I don?t know how John Kerry can feel any different.

I don?t believe our tax dollars should go to either side of the gay marriage issue. If you people want to live in sin and without the blessing of God then let them do it. We don?t need a law stating they can or can?t. I personally oppose gay marriages due to my religious beliefs, but I don?t think there should be a law imposing my beliefs on someone.

We as a nation committed to rebuilding Iraq when we went to war. Whether you supported the war on Iraq or not we need to support rebuilding the country.

Gun laws are a direct violation of our 2nd amendment right in the Constitution. The reason guns are outlawed in most other industrialized countries is so the government can control the population.

I?m also not 100% happy with everything Bush has done over the last three years. He has to make hard decision that left him and his administration open to relentless attacks from the leftist liberal in Congress and the mainstream media. But since I think the Democrats party only goal this year is to defeat Bush and has offer not other any other platform I going to Vote to re-elect Bush for another four years.

 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: ianbergman
10 reasons I'll vote for Kerry:

Originally posted by: Quixfire
New York Post | January 29, 2004 1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases. 2. Voted many times against tax cuts. 3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers. 4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions. 5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states. 6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War. 7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq. 8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs. 9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11. 10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers.

1. Death penalty has never been proven to be an effective deterrent and is outlawed in almost every other industrialized country.
We are not every other country in the world. The rest of the world is basically socialist. We are not. Next, the death penalty is hardly EVER used. How can an accurate study be done when your odds of getting the death penalty accounts for less than 1% for most violent crimes.
2. Recent tax cuts have left us with a 500 BILLION dollar defecit. Yay!No, it was the economic downturn that caused the deficit. The tax cuts had a minor impact on the deficit, and in fact helped us get out of the recession quicker, thus bringing in more tax money because people had more to spend.
3. B-1 and B-2 bombers have never proved themselves useful. Lots of people think the B-1 is a pretty crappy aircraft. I woulda funded the B-2 program though.I really don't know much about this.
4. Being a minor shouldn't take away a woman (girl's) right to choose what's best for her.You think that a minor should be able to have sex and then have it aborted without telling her parents? To each his own, I guess...
5. Defense of Marriage act infringes on the rights of millions of Americans.A matter of oppinion...
6. OK, so the first Iraq war was justified. Can't win 'em all.I agree that it was justified when we started. In retrospect, it was a bad idea however hindsight is 20/20.
7. We're sinking too much $$ into Iraq, but as long as we're there, we have to finish the job properly. So can't win 'em all.I have to agree too. I wish we didn't have to, but we must spend it to finish the mess we started.
8. Friggin' right he should call for that. Again I could point to the fact that guns are highly restricted or outright illegal in nearly every industrialized nation on the planet. Funny how their violent crime rate is universally lower too. Very funny, that.I'd like to see these stats. When you do a proper study and make the appropriate adjustments for population and such, the stats I've seen show that there is no difference in crime. Guns are a fundamental part of our society and the reason for having them is to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government (our own).
9. I don't know enough about CIA funding and intelligence problems to comment.Same here
10. That sounds like a whole lot of BS. Got anything to back it up?No clue

Let's see... 2/10 that actually mean anything. That kind of sounds like Bush -- maybe 20% of what he says <EM>won't<STRONG> </STRONG></EM>lead us into another disaster. the other 80%? ::shudder::

my 2c.

You have lots of oppinions there.

I agree that the list is not very persuasive.
 

chess9

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Quixfire:

That's all very worldly for someone committed to Christianity. I missed your condemnation of the war. I missed your soliloquy on the desperation of the poor and your committment to service for the lost souls of humanity. I missed your desire for social justice, a clean environment, safe streets, good education for everyone, etc.

But what I missed most was your humility that would have come from the understanding that every man is a sinner, including you.

I'm trying to understand why you are a bigoted Christian. Maybe I'm wrong...maybe you are simply inarticulate.

-Robert
 

Spamela

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Originally posted by: chess9
Quixfire:

That's all very worldly for someone committed to Christianity. I missed your condemnation of the war. I missed your soliloquy on the desperation of the poor and your committment to service for the lost souls of humanity. I missed your desire for social justice, a clean environment, safe streets, good education for everyone, etc.

But what I missed most was your humility that would have come from the understanding that every man is a sinner, including you.

I'm trying to understand why you are a bigoted Christian. Maybe I'm wrong...maybe you are simply inarticulate.

-Robert


why should Bush supporters show any more humility than Bush has shown?

the man doesn't seem capable of saying he was wrong about anything
until the evidence & public pressure are overwhelming.

self-righteous hypocrisy, anyone?
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: ianbergman
10 reasons I'll vote for Kerry:

Originally posted by: Quixfire
New York Post | January 29, 2004 1. Against the death penalty in almost all cases. 2. Voted many times against tax cuts. 3. Supported killing military programs, including the B-1 and B-2 bombers. 4. Voted against banning "partial-birth" abortions and against parental notification when minors have abortions. 5. Voted against Defense of Marriage Act, which permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages in other states. 6. Voted against the 1991 Gulf War. 7. Voted against $87 billion to support U.S. troops and rebuild Iraq. 8. Called for taxing guns and ammunition to pay for anti-crime programs. 9. Pushed to cut CIA funding - then griped about poor intelligence after 9/11. 10. Supported furloughs for first-degree murderers.

1. Death penalty has never been proven to be an effective deterrent and is outlawed in almost every other industrialized country.
We are not every other country in the world. The rest of the world is basically socialist. We are not. Next, the death penalty is hardly EVER used. How can an accurate study be done when your odds of getting the death penalty accounts for less than 1% for most violent crimes.

So what are you b!tching about then? If he is "Against the death penalty in almost all cases," and like you said death penalty is not used in almost all cases.
 

chess9

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Spamela:

Those are some serious deads. :)

My training partner is Dominick Castellano, former World Powerlifting Champion. He squatted something like 810 pounds. :)

I don't remember how much his dead lift was, but it was mind-boggling. :)

I'm a wuss compared to you guys....

-Robert