10 questions for dick clarke

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: alchemize
This just in...Clinton passed 3 times...THREE TIMES...on killing Bin Laden...

And the Clinton administration debated whether to launch airstrikes to kill bin Laden at least three times in 1998 and 1999, but decided against them because of doubts about the intelligence and concerns about killing civilians.

There were three occasions. Each time, the munitions and people were spun up," former Defense Secretary William Cohen told the panel. "They were called off because the word came back, 'We're not sure.' "

I'd like to ask Clarke what his opinion was each of those 3 times.

oh, lets shoot missles at intelligence of locations that were hours old? and would take many more hours to reach... predator drones had no missles yet. just look at what pres bush did during gulf war 2 with his intellegence. at the opening of the war he shot 50 cruise missles at 50 locations to kill top leadership and saddam. guess what happened? zero kills, and a lot of civilian casualties instead


cad knows better then to bring up sudan. look for the proof that sudan offered such a deal and that it wasn't just a bluff. you won't find much at all. only offer was to saudi arabia, and saudi's didn't want it.

fact is clinton signed an executive order for the assassination of osama bin ladin.

conservatives like cad know that once bush got into office, he could have cared less about terrorism, only taking vacations and fighting for tax cuts for those who do not need them. he didn't make a mad scramble to make up for supposed lost time, no, he felt it was dandy enough to go to his ranch. since his guy has no legs to stand on, point to clinton

That's quite a laughable argument. So Clinton had no actionable intelligence, but Bush did? Care to provide a link to that? Of course not, because you are spewing partisan rhetoric. Wipe your chin, you spilled.

you have some gall to speak of someone spewing partisan rhetoric. fact is, bush went into office on the platform that clinton had spunked on national security. he did nothing once in office and resulted with 9/11. so either he was lying about national security being inaduate in his eyes or simply negligent. he deserves the full blame. he said he knew it was all broken, yet he did nothing. he was warned and yet he did nothing.

you know very well the only thing you and republicans cared about pre 9/11 were blow jobs and tax cuts.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: alchemize
Of course not, because you are spewing partisan rhetoric. Wipe your chin, you spilled.

You know, I just had an interesting though. If everyone on this forum that was spewing partisan rhetoric was put in the same area, there would be quite a big mess to clean up. One big sloppy mix of partisan drivel from both sides.

Too true. Anyone got a mop? Everybody has an angle, an interest.

 

[DealMonkey]

Well someone asking a bunch of rhetorical questions doesn't really affect me one way or the other. I agree with alchemize, when or if Clarke testifies under oath in front of the 9/11 commission, and we actually have his responses, then we'll really have something to talk about. Frankly, they're good questions and I'd like to hear Clarke's responses. Until then, I fail to understand what we're supposed to be discussing exactly.

 

[chess9]

And the answers are?

Edit: Also, never ask a question on a talk show if you don't know the answer.

-Robert

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

How was clinton advised by clarke the first time OBL was offered up by the Sudanese?

Did the Sudanese offer up OBL? NO
Shouldn't clinton have been breifed by someone involved on his "anti-terrorism" team about the situation? Yes, and he was

Edited for accuracy.

So what exactly did clarke tell clinton when it became known that the Sudanese had OBL?

Ah, finally, a valid question from CkG!!

But, to be honest, I don't know. I wasn't there. Perhaps it's in Clarke's book. Have you read it?

Hmm... divert and play games all you want though - I didn't expect much less to happen in this thread.

Well, you *are* the king of diversion, CkG. That's very apparent.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

How was clinton advised by clarke the first time OBL was offered up by the Sudanese?

Did the Sudanese offer up OBL? NO
Shouldn't clinton have been breifed by someone involved on his "anti-terrorism" team about the situation? Yes, and he was

Edited for accuracy.

So what exactly did clarke tell clinton when it became known that the Sudanese had OBL?

Ah, finally, a valid question from CkG!!

But, to be honest, I don't know. I wasn't there. Perhaps it's in Clarke's book. Have you read it?

Hmm... divert and play games all you want though - I didn't expect much less to happen in this thread.

Well, you *are* the king of diversion, CkG. That's very apparent.

Yeah - conjur - I'm the one "diverting"

Now try to follow along.

Oh really? So the Sudanese never offered to expel OBL? Are you sure you want to stick with that conjur?
And if clinton was "briefed" - what advice did mr.clarke offer?
You seem stumped by my question but you answered that maybe Clarke knows. Well isn't that what these questions are trying to get at? What did clarke offer as advice during the times OBL seemed to be "available"? These sorts of questions weren't asked in stahl's softball book promotion "interview" the other night and haven't been asked of him in the many other book prom...interviews he's had in the last couple days.

CkG

 

[conjur]

I have repeatedly stated Sudan did not offer Osama directly to the U.S. If you have proof otherwise, feel free to post it.

From what I've read, Sudan offered bin Laden to the Saudis. The Saudis did not want bin Laden back in the country.

http://cfrterrorism.org/sponsors/sudan.html


Therefore, Rush Limbaugh's questions are invalid and unanswerable.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
I have repeatedly stated Sudan did not offer Osama directly to the U.S. If you have proof otherwise, feel free to post it.

From what I've read, Sudan offered bin Laden to the Saudis. The Saudis did not want bin Laden back in the country.

http://cfrterrorism.org/sponsors/sudan.html


Therefore, Rush Limbaugh's questions are invalid and unanswerable.

Answer my question. My question was not about "directly" anywhere.

So yes - my question was "valid" - it was YOU who put more into MY question than was there.

"How was clinton advised by clarke the first time OBL was offered up by the Sudanese?"
You replied by changing my "Did the Sudanese offer up OBL? Yes" to "Did the Sudanese offer up OBL? NO"

So keep trying to keep up conjur.

CkG

 

[conjur]

Let's look at the original question you posted:

"Question number 1: Mr. Clarke, the first time the Sudanese government offered bin Laden to the United States, exactly what advice did you give Bill Clinton? "


That implies directly to the United States as no 3rd-party is mentioned, ergo, it's an invalid question.


You couldn't even remember your own 1st question, which wasn't really your own question anyway.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
Let's look at the original question you posted:

"Question number 1: Mr. Clarke, the first time the Sudanese government offered bin Laden to the United States, exactly what advice did you give Bill Clinton? "


That implies directly to the United States as no 3rd-party is mentioned, ergo, it's an invalid question.


You couldn't even remember your own 1st question, which wasn't really your own question anyway.

Which is precisely why I keep telling you to keep up. So people say he wasn't offered to "us" - OK, so then I took the "us" out of the equation and re-asked the equation. See, MY question wasn't quite the same as Rush's question. Try to keep up next time conjur.

So you say you don't know and that maybe clarke knows how he "advised" clinton about that OBL situation with the Sudanese. Well isn't that a valid question? Don't you think it needs to be asked?

CkG

 

[conjur]

From what I understand, CkG, Sudan wanted to turn over bin Laden to the Saudis in exchange for pardoning him. I would hope Clarked advised him to reject the offer.

Besides, the Saudis would never take bin Laden back so the offer was an empty one.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

I thought the whole stint with Clarke was about Iraq?

In which case, questions 1-10 are irrelevent.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

dp

 

[conjur]

Well, that's the Bushies diverting the attack on Bush for failing to act on Al Qaeda to placing the blame on Clinton for not taking out bin Laden. Clinton should have put pressure on Pakistan to aid in rooting out Al Qaeda. Or, perhaps, working with Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and/or Turkmenistan for assistance in allowing our troops to amass there in preparation for attacking Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

"When Al-Qaeda attacked our barracks in Saudi Arabia, Mr. Clarke, what exactly advice did you give Clinton for striking back at them?"

How exactly is this not a "valid" question?

If clarke wants to play the "I told xxx blah blah blah" game -these sorts of questions need answers. Let's hope the 9/11 commision asks these sorts of questions.

CkG

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: lozina


BTW: again with the liberal media... did you go to Costco to stock up on some bulk tin foil?

Iozina, was political science your major in college? and for part of your academic career did you spend a good time dealing specifically with media and its relation to politics?? last time I checked my wall I could have sworn my degree told me that I had a polisci degree (it would also have said I had a minor in classics if I wasn't a lazy ass), and from one of the most LIBERAL liberal arts colleges in the country, and the one thing that ALL of my professors agreed on, and ALL with the exception of one foreign relations professor were staunch liberal democrats, was that the media after Vietnam has a very liberal bias, maybe not the companies that own them, but the anchor people, editors and everyone in the industry...which is why "conservative" outlets such as Fox, talk radio, and certain papers are discredited as much as possible by the rest of mainstream media.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur
Close-up photo of CADkindaGUY

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[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
I have repeatedly stated Sudan did not offer Osama directly to the U.S. If you have proof otherwise, feel free to post it.

From what I've read, Sudan offered bin Laden to the Saudis. The Saudis did not want bin Laden back in the country.

http://cfrterrorism.org/sponsors/sudan.html


Therefore, Rush Limbaugh's questions are invalid and unanswerable.

Answer my question. My question was not about "directly" anywhere.

So yes - my question was "valid" - it was YOU who put more into MY question than was there.

"How was clinton advised by clarke the first time OBL was offered up by the Sudanese?"
You replied by changing my "Did the Sudanese offer up OBL? Yes" to "Did the Sudanese offer up OBL? NO"

So keep trying to keep up conjur.

CkG

Repeat after me. Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
I have repeatedly stated Sudan did not offer Osama directly to the U.S. If you have proof otherwise, feel free to post it.

From what I've read, Sudan offered bin Laden to the Saudis. The Saudis did not want bin Laden back in the country.

http://cfrterrorism.org/sponsors/sudan.html


Therefore, Rush Limbaugh's questions are invalid and unanswerable.

Answer my question. My question was not about "directly" anywhere.

So yes - my question was "valid" - it was YOU who put more into MY question than was there.

"How was clinton advised by clarke the first time OBL was offered up by the Sudanese?"
You replied by changing my "Did the Sudanese offer up OBL? Yes" to "Did the Sudanese offer up OBL? NO"

So keep trying to keep up conjur.

CkG

Repeat after me. Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton, Bush is the President not Clinton...

Repeat after me: I am not entitled to a job, I am not entitled to a job, I am not entitled to a job, I am not entitled to a job, I am not entitled to a job, I am not entitled to a job.

Now again - Clinton has alot to do with this terrorism issue. If you can't handle that fact - I suggest you go read the help wanted ads and then sit by the phone waiting for them to call.

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"When Al-Qaeda attacked our barracks in Saudi Arabia, Mr. Clarke, what exactly advice did you give Clinton for striking back at them?"

How exactly is this not a "valid" question?

If clarke wants to play the "I told xxx blah blah blah" game -these sorts of questions need answers. Let's hope the 9/11 commision asks these sorts of questions.

CkG

back to the subject...

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"When Al-Qaeda attacked our barracks in Saudi Arabia, Mr. Clarke, what exactly advice did you give Clinton for striking back at them?"

How exactly is this not a "valid" question?

If clarke wants to play the "I told xxx blah blah blah" game -these sorts of questions need answers. Let's hope the 9/11 commision asks these sorts of questions.

CkG

back to the subject...

CkG

back to the subject... Bush is The President not Clinton, Bush is The President not Clinton, Bush is The President not Clinton, Bush is The President not Clinton, Bush is The President not Clinton

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"When Al-Qaeda attacked our barracks in Saudi Arabia, Mr. Clarke, what exactly advice did you give Clinton for striking back at them?"

How exactly is this not a "valid" question?

If clarke wants to play the "I told xxx blah blah blah" game -these sorts of questions need answers. Let's hope the 9/11 commision asks these sorts of questions.

CkG

back to the subject...

CkG

Thank you.

Repeat after me:

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.


Edit: major typo

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"When Al-Qaeda attacked our barracks in Saudi Arabia, Mr. Clarke, what exactly advice did you give Clinton for striking back at them?"

How exactly is this not a "valid" question?

If clarke wants to play the "I told xxx blah blah blah" game -these sorts of questions need answers. Let's hope the 9/11 commision asks these sorts of questions.

CkG

back to the subject...

CkG

Thank you.

Repeat after me:

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not due does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not due does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not due does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not due does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not due does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not due does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Nobody said it did asshat. Now run along...

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"When Al-Qaeda attacked our barracks in Saudi Arabia, Mr. Clarke, what exactly advice did you give Clinton for striking back at them?"

How exactly is this not a "valid" question?

If clarke wants to play the "I told xxx blah blah blah" game -these sorts of questions need answers. Let's hope the 9/11 commision asks these sorts of questions.

CkG

back to the subject...

CkG

..again...

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"When Al-Qaeda attacked our barracks in Saudi Arabia, Mr. Clarke, what exactly advice did you give Clinton for striking back at them?"

How exactly is this not a "valid" question?

If clarke wants to play the "I told xxx blah blah blah" game -these sorts of questions need answers. Let's hope the 9/11 commision asks these sorts of questions.

CkG

back to the subject...

CkG

Thank you.

Repeat after me:

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Clinton is NOT the President. Bush is the President. What Clinton did or did not do does not excuse Bush in any way, shape, or form. Period.

Nobody said it did asshat. Now run along...

CkG

Asshat? Boo hoo hoo. I'm crushed.