10-31-08 South Dakota puts ballot Tues to outlaw all abortions except where mothers health is at risk or rape/incest

[dmcowen674]

Update: This piece of crap legislation did not pass Thank God


South Dakota Christians are trying to be the first to overturn Roe V Wade at least on a statewide level.

Unless there is more non-christians in this state than christians this vote will go through.

Proper enforcement of seperation of church and state would prevent insanity like this from ever making to ballot.

Anyone from South Dakota on here?

10-31-2008 Abortion Ban Focuses Nation's Attention On South Dakota

Tuesday night, the nation's will wait to see who the next president will be. But, eyes will also focus on South Dakota, as voters decide whether to enact one of the strictest abortion bans in the nation.

A "yes" vote would outlaw most abortions in of South Dakota, except when a mother's health is at risk, or in cases of rape or incest.

 

[techs]

They're setting up a case for the Supreme Court.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Proper enforcement of seperation (SIC) of church and state would prevent insanity like this from ever making to ballot.

Please explain this, most educated American on the internet.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Proper enforcement of seperation (SIC) of church and state would prevent insanity like this from ever making to ballot.

Please explain this, most educated American on the internet.

It's over your head

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Christians vs. non-Christians... OK... You realize there are pro-choice Christians, right? Or is the ballot written as "A vote for 11 is a vote for Jesus! Also, no abortions. But lots of Jesus!"

 

[jonks]

It's not going to get to the supreme court. It presents no new issue and the court hears abortion type cases often enough when they touch on something specific. The first federal court to hear the case will throw it out and it won't get an appeal. If Mississippi decided in a ballot initiative to segregate whites and blacks in schools it wouldn't get to the supreme court either.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jonks
It's not going to get to the supreme court. It presents no new issue and the court hears abortion type cases often enough when they touch on something specific. The first federal court to hear the case will throw it out and it won't get an appeal. If Mississippi decided in a ballot initiative to segregate whites and blacks in schools it wouldn't get to the supreme court either.

I'm watching your signature with interest.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Topic Summary: Christians Vs non-Christian Battle

GO LIONS!

 

[hellokeith]

:thumbsup: for SD

Abortion is murder of an innocent human life and deprives an innocent American person of their Constitutional right to life.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Proper enforcement of seperation of church and state would prevent insanity like this from ever making to ballot.

Calling the abortion debate an issue of the separation of Church and State is misinformed at best and dangerous at worst.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Proper enforcement of seperation (SIC) of church and state would prevent insanity like this from ever making to ballot.

Please explain this, most educated American on the internet.

It's over your head

Funny how the article doesn't mention the church or religion at all in it's article.

You are really reaching again. You take an article and put your own spin on it.

What about the gay marriage issue on so many ballots in so many states? Same?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
:thumbsup: for SD

Abortion is murder of an innocent human life and deprives an innocent American person of their Constitutional right to life.

Yeap, that's why the US Census Bureau counts pregnant women as 2 people.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: hellokeith
:thumbsup: for SD

Abortion is murder of an innocent human life and deprives an innocent American person of their Constitutional right to life.

Yeap, that's why the US Census Bureau counts pregnant women as 2 people.

Scott Peterson was charged with two counts of murder for killing his pregnant wife.

Either it is a person or it isn't. We can't have it both ways.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Proper enforcement of seperation (SIC) of church and state would prevent insanity like this from ever making to ballot.

Please explain this, most educated American on the internet.

I'm interested as well. Maybe Dave could explain how anti-abortion laws violate the Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses.

 

[ZeGermans]

exclusions for rape and incest in anti-abortion legislation doesn't make sense with any anti-abortion stance. The argument is:
A) life begins at conception
B) babies are innocent and must be protected
C) abortion is murder

How are any of these points refuted in cases of rape or incest? In either instance, it's a case of a very inconvenient pregnancy but no fault of the fetus itself. So if you include that exception than you don't believe your argument anyways so there's an alterior motive here, mainly to try to enforce your own distorted black-and-white view of the world on women everywhere.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: hellokeith
:thumbsup: for SD

Abortion is murder of an innocent human life and deprives an innocent American person of their Constitutional right to life.

Yeap, that's why the US Census Bureau counts pregnant women as 2 people.

Scott Peterson was charged with two counts of murder for killing his pregnant wife.

Either it is a person or it isn't. We can't have it both ways.

I agree. In virtually every case a fetus is not considered a person, but it should be in every case.

It doesn't really matter much personally to me, as I know that the women I date will always be able to get an abortion if they want one, I just feel bad for the people that don't have the means to escape states that pass these stupid laws. (yeah, I know they will be struck down, but still)

 

[StageLeft]

I wonder if I'm the only one who sees the irony in an Anandtech Lifer condemning the pro-lifers

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Proper enforcement of seperation (SIC) of church and state would prevent insanity like this from ever making to ballot.

Please explain this, most educated American on the internet.

It's over your head

Funny how the article doesn't mention the church or religion at all in it's article.

You are really reaching again. You take an article and put your own spin on it.

What about the gay marriage issue on so many ballots in so many states? Same?

How bout this article that appears first.

Of course the headline is made by the Christian group and not any official agency.

I'm sure "Eduardo" is made up by them.

10-21-2008 South Dakota Abortion Group Caught on Tape Encouraging Voter Fraud

SIOUX FALLS, SD, October 29 /Christian Newswire/ -- A pro-abortion group, the Campaign for Healthy Families, was caught on tape admitting to voter fraud and encouraging others to engage in the illegal practice for the purpose of influencing the vote on Measure 11, the South Dakota abortion ban.

A man who wants only to be known as "Eduardo" visited the Sioux Falls office of the Campaign for Healthy Families on October 20, 2008. There he was told that CFHF director Chris Cassidy, a resident of Oakland, California, was going to vote in the November election then return immediately to California. Eduardo was then told he could do the same thing even though he would be returning to his home in Riverside, California, immediately after the election.

This practice is illegal. Voters registering to vote in South Dakota must attest under penalty of perjury the following: "I actually live at and have no present intention of leaving the above address." Violations are punishable by up to two years in prison and a $4,000 fine.)

"This fraud casts a shadow of suspicion on the election outcome," said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman.

"First the ACLU bussed in activists from other states to influence the people of South Dakota, now we find out that some of the outsiders are actually trying to rip off the election from the people of South Dakota by voting illegally," said Newman. "We call on the authorities in that state to fully investigate the so-called Campaign for Healthy Families and charge those who are attempting to illegally steal the election."

About Operation Rescue®

Operation Rescue is one of the leading pro-life Christian activist organizations in the nation. Operation Rescue recently made headlines when it bought and closed an abortion clinic in Wichita, Kansas and has become the voice of the pro-life activist movement in America.

Its activities are on the cutting edge of the abortion issue, taking direct action to restore legal personhood to the pre-born and stop abortion in obedience to biblical mandates.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Why aren't you complaining about separation between church and state over Gay Marriage? And please explain how Separation between Church and State applies here?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Calling the abortion debate an issue of the separation of Church and State is misinformed at best and dangerous at worst.

Hardly. It's a personal decision to be made by the woman who has to endure the pregnancy and support the child in consultation with her choice of doctors. There should be reasonable limits on late term abortions, but that's it.

If you don't like it, don't get an abortion. Better yet, don't get pregnant. You have no right to impose your values on others.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Why aren't you complaining about separation between church and state over Gay Marriage? And please explain how Separation between Church and State applies here?

Who said I wasn't?

Just shows how you don't pay attention you are so partisanly blinded.

I absolutely abhor the Gay Marriage Bans.

Government has no business behind our doors, period.

If you want government in your bedroom please leave to a country that does that immediately.

Thank you

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Why aren't you complaining about separation between church and state over Gay Marriage? And please explain how Separation between Church and State applies here?

Who said I wasn't?

Just shows how you don't pay attention you are so partisanly blinded.

I absolutely abhor the Gay Marriage Bans.

Government has no business behind our doors, period.

If you want government in your bedroom please leave to a country that does that immediately.

Thank you

How am I partisanly blinded? I'm a liberal democrat that's pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. I just think it's funny how take something and apply ridiculous and incorrect assumptions to things(ie. Greed is 110% responsible for the increase in gas prices).

Again, how does Separation of Church and State apply here?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Calling the abortion debate an issue of the separation of Church and State is misinformed at best and dangerous at worst.

Hardly. It's a personal decision to be made by the woman who has to endure the pregnancy and support the child in consultation with her choice of doctors. There should be reasonable limits on late term abortions, but that's it.

If you don't like it, don't get an abortion. Better yet, don't get pregnant. You have no right to impose your values on others.

Well, a slighty better answer than Dave's troll response, but you are wrong too.

You are talking about personal liberties, not a separation of church and state.

Another example might be a woman who doesn't want to have a c-section, and the state compels her to because it is endangering the babies life. Absolutely nothing to do with separation of church and state.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Calling the abortion debate an issue of the separation of Church and State is misinformed at best and dangerous at worst.

Hardly. It's a personal decision to be made by the woman who has to endure the pregnancy and support the child in consultation with her choice of doctors. There should be reasonable limits on late term abortions, but that's it.

If you don't like it, don't get an abortion. Better yet, don't get pregnant. You have no right to impose your values on others.

What does any of that have to do with the ideas of the separation of Church and State, and more relevantly, any portion of the constitution?

Do laws against burglary raise separation issues? Murder?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: alchemize

You are talking about personal liberties, not a separation of church and state.

Another example might be a woman who doesn't want to have a c-section, and the state compels her to because it is endangering the babies life.

Exactly who do you think is pushing the agenda to ban abortions, and what right do they have to impose their will on any individual woman's right to choose which medical treatments are done to her body?

States seldom have any right to force a woman to undergo a c-section, even to save the life of the child she's carrying, anymore than someone could be forced to donate a kidney or other organ to save the life of someone who happens to be a type match.