10-10-08 Breaking News - GM and Chysler may merge

dmcowen674

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Update: 11-6-08 Pelosi, Congress consider more money for U.S. automakers

$25 Billion more

House leader Nancy Pelosi may have given the beleaguered U.S. auto industry it's biggest and best hope yet after the leading Congressional Democrat told NPR that Congress is considering more loan money for the ailing industry.

Government help for the U.S. auto industry likely won't get resistance from President Elect Barak Obama, as the new Pres has stated publicly in the past that he wants to help get Detroit automakers back on their feet.

The Detroit News is reporting that further details of these new potential loans may be available as soon as Friday, as Congressional leaders plan to put out a statement. That's the same day third quarter financial results are due to come from Ford and GM, and those numbers aren't likely to be good at all.



Update:10-31 Treasury says no to GM asking for $10 billion of taxpayer money to buy Chrysler

Update 10-28-08 GM asks for $10 billion of taxpayer money to buy Chrysler

GM worth less than 1929

10-10-08 Breaking News - GM and Chysler may merge

No surpise here, both giants bleeding bad

No link yet

I'll post as soon as I find it.


Edit: Link added

10-10-2008 G.M. and Chrysler Explore Merger

General Motors is in preliminary talks about a possible merger with Chrysler, a deal that could drastically remake the landscape of the auto industry by reducing the Big Three of Detroit automakers to the Big Two, The New York Times?s Bill Vlasic and Andrew Ross Sorkin reported late Friday.

The talks between G.M. and Cerberus Capital Management, the private equity firm that owns Chrysler, began more than a month ago, and the negotiations are not certain to produce a deal. Two people close to the process said the chances of a merger were ?50-50? as of Friday and would most likely still take weeks to work out.

A merger would be a historic event, with two of the most iconic names in American industry coming together to survive in an increasingly difficult environment.

Speculation about a possible bankruptcy filing by G.M. has mounted in recent weeks because of the automaker?s dwindling cash reserves.

General Motors? stock has fallen from more from more than $42 a share last year to less than $5, and it is burning through its cash hoard at a rapid rate.

Chrysler, as a private company, no longer needs to report its finances.

 

Muse

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The blockbuster news items just keep on coming these days. Heady times!
 

Perknose

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Dave, your thread title is misleading. They are exploring the possiblity, not actually merging.

And, guess what? It WON'T happen. Chrysler and GM have NOTHING the other either needs or wants. Their deficiences are the same. No foreseeable good could come out a merger between the two that I can see.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Dave, your thread title is misleading. They are exploring the possiblity, not actually merging.

And, guess what? It WON'T happen. Chrysler and GM have NOTHING the other either needs or wants. Their deficiences are the same. No foreseeable good could come out a merger between the two that I can see.

By going private they can get rid of the Unions 100%
 

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Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dave, your thread title is misleading. They are exploring the possiblity, not actually merging.

And, guess what? It WON'T happen. Chrysler and GM have NOTHING the other either needs or wants. Their deficiences are the same. No foreseeable good could come out a merger between the two that I can see.

By going private they can get rid of the Unions 100%

:confused:
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
It WON'T happen. Chrysler and GM have NOTHING the other either needs or wants. Their deficiencies are the same. No foreseeable good could come out a merger between the two that I can see.

GM already has several brands / models cannibalizing themselves. The addition of Chrysler would make this problem even worse.....

By going private they can get rid of the Unions 100%
Can they? A local company went private about two years ago, their union is still going strong. I assume if they could easily do so, they would have crushed it already. Maybe this is due to state law differences?
 

robphelan

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GM doesn't learn very well - they're coming out with a whopping 14mpg hybrid escalade and a new Hummer based on a pickup frame for 2009.

how idiotic.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dave, your thread title is misleading. They are exploring the possiblity, not actually merging.

And, guess what? It WON'T happen. Chrysler and GM have NOTHING the other either needs or wants. Their deficiences are the same. No foreseeable good could come out a merger between the two that I can see.

By going private they can get rid of the Unions 100%

:confused:

Double :confused:

 

Mill

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dave, your thread title is misleading. They are exploring the possiblity, not actually merging.

And, guess what? It WON'T happen. Chrysler and GM have NOTHING the other either needs or wants. Their deficiences are the same. No foreseeable good could come out a merger between the two that I can see.

By going private they can get rid of the Unions 100%

You are lying again.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Perknose
Dave, your thread title is misleading. They are exploring the possiblity, not actually merging.

And, guess what? It WON'T happen. Chrysler and GM have NOTHING the other either needs or wants. Their deficiences are the same. No foreseeable good could come out a merger between the two that I can see.

By going private they can get rid of the Unions 100%

You are lying again.

How can you tell when dmcowen674 is lying?

He posts.
 

wirelessenabled

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GM market cap is only $2.77 billion. Hell the baker down the street could almost buy and merge with GM.:laugh:
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
GM market cap is only $2.77 billion. Hell the baker down the street could almost buy and merge with GM.:laugh:

Well... what's scary about that is that we have an 80's "Wall Street" (the movie) like situation brewing. Where the market cap of a company is potentially below its liquidation value. Hmmm....
 

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It's too bad because Chrysler sucks, but they have cash. GM is getting better, but they're almost broke. If the bubble didn't burst so soon, GM might have been able to turn it around on their own.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: woodie1
So which one is buying the other?

Chysler is owned by the Private Company so they are taking GM.

Wrong as usual Dave

GM would be trading Cerberus the remaining 49% stock they have in GMAC for Chrysler if it were to happen. So GM would be taking Chrysler and Cerberus would own 100% of GMAC. I can't think of one way GM would benefit from this deal.