1 US Soldier Killed: ~271 Iraqis Killed, 383 Wounded in Attakcs in Baghdad, Karbala

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: UpGrD

I agree. Dubya did nothing to prevent 9-11. Clinton tried to warn him but Dubya was not interested in terrorism. Doing something, firing Dubya, may prevent another.

Wow, thats all I have to say on that..............................

We appreciate that. You said enough already.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: UpGrD
Doing nothing gave us 9/11, doing something MAY prevent another.

I agree. Dubya did nothing to prevent 9-11. Clinton tried to warn him but Dubya was not interested in terrorism. Doing something, firing Dubya, may prevent another.

That is pure BS. Neither Clinton nore Bush had any idea of the magnitude of the threat and the capabilities of the enemy pre 9-11. To think otherwise is to engage in the ultimate arrogant second guessing and blame casting,

 

[BugsBunny1078]

are you trying to say a mass murderer is not different than a jewish mother and her kids?

Yes That is exactly what I am saying. Especially when you consider the fact that most of the people executed in the US are executed simply for being black.
Now you want to blame Saddamn for killing 2 million people. Now OK so you are blaming him for all the people who got killed by police in Iraq. Saddamn is personally responsible for them all. So is Mr Bush responsible for all the people who get killed by police in the USA? No? Ok so let's not blame Saddamn for quite all of them either. It is possible that some of those Iraqi police were murderers themselves without any help or encouragement from Saddam.
Now you want to blame Saddam for all the people who got killed in Iran by Iraq during that war. OK well didn't we subsidize that war? We gave Iraq the weapons and ammunition and training to kill these Iranians. Aren't we somehow responsible for some of those deaths at least? If Saddam is responsible for all of those deaths then isn't Bush responsible for all the dead Iraqis during our two wars with Iraq? 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians in Gulf war 1 alone. Bush sr. is responsible for all of those. Why isn't he in jail with Saddam? Well maybe Saddam isn't really responsible for all those Iranian dead. Maybe Iran is equally responsible and maybe Reagan is too. Hey the Kurds now Saddam killed a bunch of them. Well yes he is a bad guy for that I agree. But those Kurds wanted to rebel against his country. I seem to remember reading about an incident that happened awhile ago when some Americans wanted to rebel against their country and Abraham lincoln sent the army down there to kill a bunch of them to keep that from happening.
So while Saddam is a bad guy so are some of our leaders. Now I am not saying that we should let him go and make all nice with him , not at all. What I am saying is at least if we could stop executing our own citizens we might set an example to follow for a guy like Saddam. Then he might even think that we really think killing is bad, not that it is ok for us to do it but just not anybody else.

 

[Drphibes]

WE led ourselves into this situation by the wrong forms of intervention. Were not going to get out of it by doing the same things that got us here in the first place. American foreign policy hasnt changed a bit in these past 50 years the politicians are still thinking in the short term rather than the long term. We just set our selves up for another 100 years of terrorism and the only solution under this foreign policy is to kill everyone in the area. Seems rather screwed up to me. We started it by playing favorites and were continuing it by still doing so irregardless of how we get there.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: UpGrD
Doing nothing gave us 9/11, doing something MAY prevent another.

I agree. Dubya did nothing to prevent 9-11. Clinton tried to warn him but Dubya was not interested in terrorism. Doing something, firing Dubya, may prevent another.

That is pure BS. Neither Clinton nore Bush had any idea of the magnitude of the threat and the capabilities of the enemy pre 9-11.

That may or may not be true but it is no excuse. Bush did nothing. Not just Bush did not do enough, he did nothing. He ignored Clinton's warning. He ignored Al-Qaida. He went on vacation.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: UpGrD
Doing nothing gave us 9/11, doing something MAY prevent another.

I agree. Dubya did nothing to prevent 9-11. Clinton tried to warn him but Dubya was not interested in terrorism. Doing something, firing Dubya, may prevent another.

That is pure BS. Neither Clinton nore Bush had any idea of the magnitude of the threat and the capabilities of the enemy pre 9-11.

That may or may not be true but it is no excuse. Bush did nothing. Not just Bush did not do enough, he did nothing. He ignored Clinton's warning. He ignored Al-Qaida. He went on vacation.

You haven't a clue. Your tinfoil opinion is meaningless.

CkG

 

[ReiAyanami]

no, shrub's response to terrorism was double tax cuts for the rich

LEAVE NO BILLIONAIRE BEHIND!!

 

[Gaard]

Actually CAD, his opinion is no more right nor is it more wrong than yours or mine. Remember?

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: UpGrD
Doing nothing gave us 9/11, doing something MAY prevent another.

I agree. Dubya did nothing to prevent 9-11. Clinton tried to warn him but Dubya was not interested in terrorism. Doing something, firing Dubya, may prevent another.

That is pure BS. Neither Clinton nore Bush had any idea of the magnitude of the threat and the capabilities of the enemy pre 9-11.

That may or may not be true but it is no excuse. Bush did nothing. Not just Bush did not do enough, he did nothing. He ignored Clinton's warning. He ignored Al-Qaida. He went on vacation.

You haven't a clue. Your tinfoil opinion is meaningless.

CkG

What did he do then? Since you are so clued, what did Dubya do before 9-11 to prevent terrorism? It is easy to put down others but can you back up your condescension? Your Bush apologist opinion is meaningless unless you can show what he did.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): Pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980.

 

[burnedout]

A few graphic photos from the bombing.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: UpGrD
Doing nothing gave us 9/11, doing something MAY prevent another.

I agree. Dubya did nothing to prevent 9-11. Clinton tried to warn him but Dubya was not interested in terrorism. Doing something, firing Dubya, may prevent another.

That is pure BS. Neither Clinton nore Bush had any idea of the magnitude of the threat and the capabilities of the enemy pre 9-11.

That may or may not be true but it is no excuse. Bush did nothing. Not just Bush did not do enough, he did nothing. He ignored Clinton's warning. He ignored Al-Qaida. He went on vacation.

You haven't a clue. Your tinfoil opinion is meaningless.

CkG

What did he do then? Since you are so clued, what did Dubya do before 9-11 to prevent terrorism? It is easy to put down others but can you back up your condescension? Your Bush apologist opinion is meaningless unless you can show what he did.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): Pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980.

Do you admit Dubya did nothing or are you still looking?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Ldir
Do you admit Dubya did nothing or are you still looking?

Ignoring your usual trash.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Ldir
Do you admit Dubya did nothing or are you still looking?

Ignoring your usual trash.

CkG

LOL!. Cad, you don't ignore anyone unless they've totally nailed you to the wall. Looks to me like Ldir did exactly that. You have no response because you know Bush-lite ignored terrorism before 9/11. He heard the warnings, he got the briefings, but for whatever reason, he chose to ignore them. If you can cite contrary examples, do so. Otherwise, I think we can consider you "pwned".

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Ldir
Do you admit Dubya did nothing or are you still looking?

Ignoring your usual trash.

CkG

LOL!. Cad, you don't ignore anyone unless they've totally nailed you to the wall. Looks to me like Ldir did exactly that. You have no response because you know Bush-lite ignored terrorism before 9/11. He heard the warnings, he got the briefings, but for whatever reason, he chose to ignore them. If you can cite contrary examples, do so. Otherwise, I think we can consider you "pwned".

No - it was trash. There was no nailing to a wall or "pwned" involved. There is no point in responding to his trash anymore because his ~! spew gets more shrill every post. No thanks - I'll let people see Ldir as he currently is - uninformed - there is no need for me to "beat him" as he's already beaten himself.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Ldir
Do you admit Dubya did nothing or are you still looking?

Ignoring your usual trash.

CkG

LOL!. Cad, you don't ignore anyone unless they've totally nailed you to the wall. Looks to me like Ldir did exactly that. You have no response because you know Bush-lite ignored terrorism before 9/11. He heard the warnings, he got the briefings, but for whatever reason, he chose to ignore them. If you can cite contrary examples, do so. Otherwise, I think we can consider you "pwned".

No - it was trash. There was no nailing to a wall or "pwned" involved. There is no point in responding to his trash anymore because his ~! spew gets more shrill every post. No thanks - I'll let people see Ldir as he currently is - uninformed - there is no need for me to "beat him" as he's already beaten himself.

CkG

Well Cad, I hate to question your expertise in "shrill", but this looks to me like another one of your "red-faced, sputtering" over-reactions.

That's fine, if you don't want to respond to him, respond to me. Please cite examples of what Bush did to prevent terrorism before 9/11. Until you do, I'll see Ldir as better informed than you.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Ldir
Do you admit Dubya did nothing or are you still looking?

Ignoring your usual trash.

CkG

LOL!. Cad, you don't ignore anyone unless they've totally nailed you to the wall. Looks to me like Ldir did exactly that. You have no response because you know Bush-lite ignored terrorism before 9/11. He heard the warnings, he got the briefings, but for whatever reason, he chose to ignore them. If you can cite contrary examples, do so. Otherwise, I think we can consider you "pwned".

No - it was trash. There was no nailing to a wall or "pwned" involved. There is no point in responding to his trash anymore because his ~! spew gets more shrill every post. No thanks - I'll let people see Ldir as he currently is - uninformed - there is no need for me to "beat him" as he's already beaten himself.

CkG

Well Cad, I hate to question your expertise in "shrill", but this looks to me like another one of your "red-faced, sputtering" over-reactions.

That's fine, if you don't want to respond to him, respond to me. Please cite examples of what Bush did to prevent terrorism before 9/11. Until you do, I'll see Ldir as better informed than you.

No - I made a comment that he was ill infomred about the comment I quoted. One can't say Bush "ignored" whatever Clinton supposedly told him. That is pure conjecture and not based on FACT at all. So yes please show everyone what Clinton supposedly told Bush and then show how Bush just "ignored" it. You have nothing but OPINION and specutlation. The rest of his trash was equally opinion - which is what I stated
Thanks for playing.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No - I made a comment that he was ill infomred about the comment I quoted. One can't say Bush "ignored" whatever Clinton supposedly told him. That is pure conjecture and not based on FACT at all. So yes please show everyone what Clinton supposedly told Bush and then show how Bush just "ignored" it. You have nothing but OPINION and specutlation. The rest of his trash was equally opinion - which is what I stated
Thanks for playing.

In other words, you cannot show even one example of what Bush did before 9/11/2001 to prevent terrorism. (No, I'm not letting you change the subject.)

I rest my case. The Bush legacy, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No - I made a comment that he was ill infomred about the comment I quoted. One can't say Bush "ignored" whatever Clinton supposedly told him. That is pure conjecture and not based on FACT at all. So yes please show everyone what Clinton supposedly told Bush and then show how Bush just "ignored" it. You have nothing but OPINION and specutlation. The rest of his trash was equally opinion - which is what I stated
Thanks for playing.

In other words, you cannot show even one example of what Bush did before 9/11/2001 to prevent terrorism. (No, I'm not letting you change the subject.)

I rest my case. The Bush legacy, ladies and gentlemen.

Do you have a point about not doing anything in your opinion? He'd been in office 9 months - what do you think he should have done?(with the help of hindsight? ) Was anyone else concerned before 9/11? Could Bush have stopped 9/11 or other terrorist type attacks with the snap of his fingers?
But the point still stands that you nor anyone else can claim that Bush ignored whatever it was you think Clinton told him like Ldir charged. So anyway - it's opinion at best. Thanks for playing.

CkG