1% needs to start paying their fair share of taxes >:

[Veliko]

When you take everything from the rich; then you can start on the middle class;

Hand over everything to the poor - they aer the ones suffering and not having to work.

You are trying to do exactly what you are railing about. :thumbsdown:

People want what the other has without having to work for it.

Equality does not work; drive everything to the lowest common denominator and everyone plays in the mud.

Erm, right.

So your response, to the accusation of the rich dodging taxes, is... to be honest I'm not entirely sure what your response is.

 

[MovingTarget]

When you take everything from the rich; then you can start on the middle class;

Hand over everything to the poor - they aer the ones suffering and not having to work.

You are trying to do exactly what you are railing about. :thumbsdown:

People want what the other has without having to work for it.

Equality does not work; drive everything to the lowest common denominator and everyone plays in the mud.

Well, taking everything from the rich will never happen unless the shit really hits the fan again. If anything, we've moved in the complete opposite direction, trying our damnest to make sure they get everything. Meanwhile, the middle class gets hosed and the poor get poorer too. It isn't economically healthy. Nobody is advocating an equalization of wealth where "everyone is down in the muck". There is such a thing as a reasonable distribution/concentration of wealth, and we had it for a time.

When things get too far out of whack, real redistributionist schemes will start to look a lot more palatable to the general public. The rich need to choose wisely.....Remember that Robin Hood was the hero of the story, not the villain. 😉

 

[nextJin]

They dodge their taxes, and horde the proceeds.

They dodged their taxes when they were flipping burgers or had that awesome college job delivering pizzas?

Keep'em coming pls

 

[Veliko]

They dodged their taxes when they were flipping burgers or had that awesome college job delivering pizzas?

Keep'em coming pls

This obtuseness of yours, is it pathological?

 

[nextJin]

This obtuseness of yours, is it pathological?

Or... you could answer the question or actually know what a W2 is but /shrug

 

[Matt1970]

When things get too far out of whack, real redistributionist schemes will start to look a lot more palatable to the general public. The rich need to choose wisely.....Remember that Robin Hood was the hero of the story, not the villain. 😉

That all seems fine with people untill they come for their crap too. Remember, there is a whole world out there that have a lot of people living below the poverty level. Your little airconditioned house with cable TV and Internet looks pretty damn good to someone living in a hut in the woods.

 

[Veliko]

Or... you could answer the question or actually know what a W2 is but /shrug

Your question seems to be "Did the rich dodge any taxes, before they were rich?"

Which isn't much of a question at all.

 

[QuantumPion]

Which is only right, given that they are the ones who benefit the most from it's existence.

Where did the tax money to pay for "the system" come from?

 

[Veliko]

That all seems fine with people untill they come for their crap too. Remember, there is a whole world out there that have a lot of people living below the poverty level. Your little airconditioned house with cable TV and Internet looks pretty damn good to someone living in a hut in the woods.

So?

 

[nextJin]

Your question seems to be "Did the rich dodge any taxes, before they were rich?"

Which isn't much of a question at all.

No, my "statement" not question, was that the rich (before they were rich, and even afterwards) paid into the system just like everyone else. You're ranting on and on about how they are tax dodgers who not once contributed to society which is about the most ignorant thing I have heard this side of A420's off days.

 

[Veliko]

No, my "statement" not question, was that the rich (before they were rich, and even afterwards) paid into the system just like everyone else. You're ranting on and on about how they are tax dodgers who not once contributed to society which is about the most ignorant thing I have heard this side of A420's off days.

Yet more strawman arguments.

I never said anything even remotely like that.

 

[nextJin]

They dodge their taxes, and horde the proceeds.

It is physically impossible for someone to help build a system, that existed before they were even born.

Every single rich person of today, is making use of the infrastructure that the millions of tax payers before them paid for.

No, the rich have not paid their share at all, because they owe their entire fortunes to the work that was done by the state in the first place.

The thievery here, is being done by the rich.

They are not willing to pay back into the systems that enabled to amass such wealth in the first place.

The last point esspecially needs a sound beating, you're saying exactly that and have been saying it the entire time.

How about you just come out and say that people making over 250k (US Dollars for those of us not American) a year have paid taxes that was asked of them from the time they entered the workforce until now. That they contributed to the society that allowed them to succeed as much as anyone else.

 

[chucky2]

I'm assuming that you aren't rich, yet you sound almost offended at the notion of richer people paying more taxes, even when some of those rich people say that more tax should be paid by them.

Exactly what is it about rich people paying tax, that you find so objectionable? Do you understand why we have a progressive tax system?

No, I'm not rich. I'm just highly confused by these rich folks that want the rich to pay more. If they want to pay more, they're free to pay more, are they not? What is stopping them from doing so rather than waiting for taxes to be raised?

And I have no problem with Everyone paying more - right after Fed State and Local are locked in - without the possibility of getting out of it - that the extra tax revenues will be solely used for paying down the deficit and that they cannot run more than a balanced budget.

Until then, it is absolutely insane to talk about tax raises. Giving more crack to a crack whore in the hopes the crack whore will not consume more crack is......F'ing retarded in the most extreme sense. Only a total brain dead zombie, or Progressive, would advocate that.

Chuck

 

[Jhhnn]

No, I'm not rich. I'm just highly confused by these rich folks that want the rich to pay more. If they want to pay more, they're free to pay more, are they not? What is stopping them from doing so rather than waiting for taxes to be raised?

Standard worship the rich dishonesty.

Peple like Buffet realize that voluntary giving is totally inadequate, because they understand their peers. If charity from the rich could accomplish what's necessary, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? If rich people didn't want the govt to do what needs to be done, then they'd do it themselves, right?

Wrong.

Stephen King explains-

Tough shit for you guys, because I’m not tired of talking about it. I’ve known rich people, and why not, since I’m one of them? The majority would rather douse their dicks with lighter fluid, strike a match, and dance around singing “Disco Inferno” than pay one more cent in taxes to Uncle Sugar.

What some of us want—those who aren’t blinded by a lot of bullshit persiflage thrown up to mask the idea that rich folks want to keep their damn money—is for you to acknowledge that you couldn’t have made it in America without America. That you were fortunate enough to be born in a country where upward mobility is possible (a subject upon which Barack Obama can speak with the authority of experience), but where the channels making such upward mobility possible are being increasingly clogged. That it’s not fair to ask the middle class to assume a disproportionate amount of the tax burden. Not fair? It’s un-fucking-American is what it is. I don’t want you to apologize for being rich; I want you to acknowledge that in America, we all should have to pay our fair share. That our civics classes never taught us that being American means that—sorry, kiddies—you’re on your own. That those who have received much must be obligated to pay—not to give, not to “cut a check and shut up,” in Governor Christie’s words, but to pay—in the same proportion. That’s called stepping up and not whining about it. That’s called patriotism, a word the Tea Partiers love to throw around as long as it doesn’t cost their beloved rich folks any money.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/30/stephen-king-tax-me-for-f-s-sake.html

Read the whole thing- maybe it'll burn your eyes out.

 

[Icepick]

Standard worship the rich dishonesty.

Peple like Buffet realize that voluntary giving is totally inadequate, because they understand their peers. If charity from the rich could accomplish what's necessary, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? If rich people didn't want the govt to do what needs to be done, then they'd do it themselves, right?

Wrong.

Stephen King explains-





http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/30/stephen-king-tax-me-for-f-s-sake.html

Read the whole thing- maybe it'll burn your eyes out.

Stephen King is amazingly enlightened. There are a few frequent posters here in P&N who profess themselves to be well off. It is they who have a strong sense of entitlement who should read this.

 

[Icepick]

Yes, demand DID evaporate. It had been evaporating for quite some time due to declining/stagnant wages. If consumers and industry have declining demand, then it is up to the public sector to pick up the slack. How do you pay for it? Taxes. Focusing tax hikes at the bottom will only further reduce consumer demand. Focusing them at the top is far more prudent.

Also, nowhere did I advocate that businesses must operate at a loss. Profits are currently through the roof. Those at the top of the socioeconomic ladder are doing better than ever, even to the point of hoarding wealth. So there is plenty of room for businesses to pay their employees more and/or for the rich pay more taxes overall. Businesses still made a profit and top earners were still raking in the bucks when we had a higher top marginal rate and higher adjusted minimum wage. We aren't asking for the moon here, only a return to the rates of the Clinton or Reagan years.

So much truth here. You are a person who understands economics.

Unfortunately, the wealthy have a strong sense of entitlement and believe it is their right not to have to support the government and the infrastructure it provides. That same infrastructure that businesses and corporations were built upon. No, no. That burden must lie only with the working and middle classes. We need an economics 101 refresher course for those people.

 

[michal1980]

Stephen King is amazingly enlightened. There are a few frequent posters here in P&N who profess themselves to be well off. It is they who have a strong sense of entitlement who should read this.

stephen king is not enligthened. he just reword the same junk that every liberal does.


They never define far share.

How much in taxes do the rich have to pay for it to be their fair share?



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Like always there is no answer. because the answer is always more then they pay now.

If stephen king, and soro's dont feel they pay their fair share. Then man the fuck up, and send a check to the US treasury, and pay your fair share. Get rid of your rich guilt.

For every rich guy with a guilty mind that says they dont pay their fair share, you could find one that says they do.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is precisely my point. The system is broken and must be fixed before we can reach our objectives(a full bucket).

stephen king is not enligthened. he just reword the same junk that every liberal does.


They never define far share.

How much in taxes do the rich have to pay for it to be their fair share?



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Like always there is no answer. because the answer is always more then they pay now.

If stephen king, and soro's dont feel they pay their fair share. Then man the fuck up, and send a check to the US treasury, and pay your fair share. Get rid of your rich guilt.

For every rich guy with a guilty mind that says they dont pay their fair share, you could find one that says they do.

Didn't even read it, did you? King offered his own answer-

Heard it all before. At a rally in Florida (to support collective bargaining and to express the socialist view that firing teachers with experience was sort of a bad idea), I pointed out that I was paying taxes of roughly 28 percent on my income. My question was, “How come I’m not paying 50?”

I'd set it somewhat lower, but that all would need to be determined by Congress, anyway. With Repubs in a filibustering & hostage taking position, we'll be lucky to rescind the Bush cuts for top earners, anyway.

That other guy who says the Rich already pay too much? You mean Mitt, who paid less than 15% on $42M over 2 years, and who wants to cut his own taxes and those of every other ultra rich offshoring tax haven exploiting weasel even further?

Middle class people should listen to him- why? Because he's rich?

 

[michal1980]

Didn't even read it, did you? King offered his own answer-



I'd set it somewhat lower, but that all would need to be determined by Congress, anyway. With Repubs in a filibustering & hostage taking position, we'll be lucky to rescind the Bush cuts for top earners, anyway.

That other guy who says the Rich already pay too much? You mean Mitt, who paid less than 15% on $42M over 2 years, and who wants to cut his own taxes and those of every other ultra rich offshoring tax haven exploiting weasel even further?

Middle class people should listen to him- why? Because he's rich?

So why should people listen to Stephen King? Because his rich?


And PS I read Kings wanker of a piece. same old liberal garabage repeated over and over again, in a different order, by a different person.

With still no real answer as to how much the rich should pay, and what his fair share is.

Just that he thinks it should be more, and he wants other rich people to pay more, so that goverment can... drum roll. Spend more fucking money.

At the end of the day the usa has a spending problem. But the left doesn't want to do anything significant about spending. So they go to the only well they know: Tax the rich.

Because raising that marginal rate will somehow make everything better.

 

[Matt1970]

Because raising that marginal rate will somehow make everything better.

Of course it will. Before the 80's we had a 70% and up tax rate on the upper class and we never ran any deficits or had any recessions and unemployment was always low. Oh wait......

 

[chucky2]

Standard worship the rich dishonesty.

Peple like Buffet realize that voluntary giving is totally inadequate, because they understand their peers. If charity from the rich could accomplish what's necessary, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? If rich people didn't want the govt to do what needs to be done, then they'd do it themselves, right?

Wrong.

Stephen King explains-





http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/30/stephen-king-tax-me-for-f-s-sake.html

Read the whole thing- maybe it'll burn your eyes out.

Er, that's all great drivel and all, but...

...WTF is stopping King from taking all his money, save say $250k (he wouldn't want to be "rich" after paying his fair share now would he?), and writing a check to the Gov? He obviously feels the Gov needs mo munnay, and there is already a provision for him to do so.

WTF is stopping him and the rest of the give mo cracks to yo crack ho Gov rich folks from giving what they feel the Gov needs?

Waiting for the reason, I'm sure this'll be good....

Chuck

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

The last point esspecially needs a sound beating, you're saying exactly that and have been saying it the entire time.

How about you just come out and say that people making over 250k (US Dollars for those of us not American) a year have paid taxes that was asked of them from the time they entered the workforce until now. That they contributed to the society that allowed them to succeed as much as anyone else.

Come on now, thats just silly. Much of our infrastructure was created 40 years ago.

For those with generational wealth, it goes even further back.

Some perspective please for crying out loud.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

So why should people listen to Stephen King? Because his rich?


And PS I read Kings wanker of a piece. same old liberal garabage repeated over and over again, in a different order, by a different person.

With still no real answer as to how much the rich should pay, and what his fair share is.

Just that he thinks it should be more, and he wants other rich people to pay more, so that goverment can... drum roll. Spend more fucking money.

At the end of the day the usa has a spending problem. But the left doesn't want to do anything significant about spending. So they go to the only well they know: Tax the rich.

Because raising that marginal rate will somehow make everything better.

I still don't get how people pretend like the right doesn't spend a fuckload of money, as if the left somehow magically grew the debt with their out of control spending in 3 presidential terms over the last 32 years....meanwhile Clinton balanced the budget from all the damage Reagan and Bush Sr. did.

Look, nobody is buying the right's bullshit anymore except for the rich kids growing up in these households who are raised with the same "everyone is out to steal my money" paranoia that their fathers cling to. How is it we went from having a balanced budget during Clinton's terms, and an erased deficit, to almost bankrupting the very same nation in just 8 years of Bush 2.0?

After you explain that one to me maybe you could follow up with why this is all Obama's fault when the economy went in the tank during Bush's watch, despite ever lower taxes on the rich and less regulation, because we all know that this whole problem is all Obama's fault according to the right.

 

[Veliko]

Er, that's all great drivel and all, but...

...WTF is stopping King from taking all his money, save say $250k (he wouldn't want to be "rich" after paying his fair share now would he?), and writing a check to the Gov? He obviously feels the Gov needs mo munnay, and there is already a provision for him to do so.

WTF is stopping him and the rest of the give mo cracks to yo crack ho Gov rich folks from giving what they feel the Gov needs?

Waiting for the reason, I'm sure this'll be good....

You either didn't read what he said, or failed completely to actually understand it.

 

[Veliko]

So why should people listen to Stephen King? Because his rich?

And PS I read Kings wanker of a piece. same old liberal garabage repeated over and over again, in a different order, by a different person.

With still no real answer as to how much the rich should pay, and what his fair share is.

The exact amount, is a completely different argument from the point that the rich should pay more.

"...but how much more?" is not a adequate rebuttal to the point that the rich should pay more.

Just that he thinks it should be more, and he wants other rich people to pay more, so that goverment can... drum roll. Spend more fucking money.

Well yes, that is the general point.

At the end of the day the usa has a spending problem. But the left doesn't want to do anything significant about spending. So they go to the only well they know: Tax the rich.

Because raising that marginal rate will somehow make everything better.

The USA has dozens, hundreds, thousands of problems, just like any other country.

One of them is people like you who can think only in terms of left and right. You need to stop thinking in binary.