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Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: warcrow
If you're into sim racing, yes.

Sim racing? On a PS2? HA!

Obviously someone who has never played Gran Turismo, the best sim racer of all time.

Oh, but I have played every Gran Turismo game made, and while they are good fun and get the blood pumping, they are far from simulations. Nothing on a PS2 can be considered a true simulation. PS2 doesn't have the number crunching power to handle a true simulation of anything. That's what PC's are for.

It wasn't too long ago that PCs had less processing power than today's consoles, so by your standards a "true" simulation of anything could not exist until a few years ago? The GT series is the closest thing to a real-time driving simulator that you'll find today (widely available at least).

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: n7
Is this ever coming out for PC ?

Ha! I wish. Doesn't seem like anyone is willing to go the distance with racing games for the PC like they do on the console.

:thumbsdown::|

 

[Wadded Beef]

they could call it "grand turismo 4" and put it on the pc...think that would get around their sony contract?? =p

 

[RedRooster]

If it's the greatest simulation ever, why is there no damage at all, and why did they make the sense of speed so much higher than real life to make up for their track design/physics shortcomings?
I've played it briefly and read everything there is to read about the whole Forza/GT4 debate(which IGN proclaimed was in Forza's favor) and I fail to see how people can proclaim this the greatest sim ever made? What about all the great ones on PC(GPL, GTR, etc.)? On console, yes. Ever, not a chance.
GT4, to me, is a very mainstream car racing game that just happens to have the most cars/tracks in any game, which I'll admit gives it a ton of replayability.
Obviously it'll outsell anything else on the market, much as Madden does. And we all know what a dead horse that is.

 

[warcrow]

Model damage isnt present, not because of the developers design choices, but because of the car manufatures contractual agreement. It's part of the licensing deal....they don't want ther cars to look bad and all smached up

 

[AdamSnow]

So... anyone got a copy yet ?

It's non-existant around here...

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
So... anyone got a copy yet ?

It's non-existant around here...

It's being mailed out today. Stores wont get it until early evening or tomorrow morning.

 

[RedRooster]

Originally posted by: warcrow
Model damage isnt present, not because of the developers design choices, but because of the car manufatures contractual agreement. It's part of the licensing deal....they don't want ther cars to look bad and all smached up

Well Polyphony got bent over then, and has been since the start. Forza shows it's possible to get the car companies' consent, and if they can get Ferrari's and Porsche's approval, surely PD could get Honda's on an '89 Civic. Heck, from looking around at the '89 Civics driving around, you'd think dent and rust was standard on them from the factory. j/k

Granted, I wouldn't mind learning more about this agreement anyways, to see what benefits they're getting from the manufacturers in exchange for not doing damage.

 

[AdamSnow]

Originally posted by: RedRooster

Originally posted by: warcrow
Model damage isnt present, not because of the developers design choices, but because of the car manufatures contractual agreement. It's part of the licensing deal....they don't want ther cars to look bad and all smached up

Well Polyphony got bent over then, and has been since the start. Forza shows it's possible to get the car companies' consent, and if they can get Ferrari's and Porsche's approval, surely PD could get Honda's on an '89 Civic. Heck, from looking around at the '89 Civics driving around, you'd think dent and rust was standard on them from the factory. j/k

Granted, I wouldn't mind learning more about this agreement anyways, to see what benefits they're getting from the manufacturers in exchange for not doing damage.

The benefits they will get : They get to use the car in the game... heh

 

[Wingznut]

Project Gotham Racing 2 had licensed vehicles (from pretty much every manufacturer) that had damage models. Same with Forza Motorsport, as RedRooster mentioned.

So, it's not that Sony/Polyphony couldn't do it.

 

[AdamSnow]

I dont see what the big deal about the damage models is anyway...

Have you played Forza yet? The damage has no effect on the way the car handles or anything... just makes it look different... that's retarded...

Remember that game... Pro Race Driver or whatever... where if you smashed into a wall, you could loose a wheel, blow out shocks. etc. ? Now that's what Forza needs... but no... you can smash headlights, break windows... but it has no effect at all on anything in the game...

In my view, ya might as well not have damage at all...

 

[zerocool84]

yea i reserved it at gamestop and with the call it siad it would be out LATER IN THE EVENEING!!!!!!!!!! IM PISSED i work from 12-9pm tonight so i wont even be able to pick it up unless i go on a lunchbreak or ill prolly wait till tomorrow to get it but they shoulda freakin had shipments days before!!!!!!!!! GWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANT IT NOW and yea the damage thing, in FORZA its SUPPOSED TO make ur car handle bad and wutnot like Rallysport Challenge 2 but its all about the contracts with the companies and the damage models in Forza, they did not take actually cars, they are all SIMULATED damage models, they do not have licenses with the companies and just amke the damage as realiztic as possible with computers or at least that's wut ive read but this sux that theyr gettin their shipments all late today so i cant play it till tomorrow

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
yea the damage thing, in FORZA its SUPPOSED TO make ur car handle bad and wutnot like Rallysport Challenge 2 but its all about the contracts with the companies and the damage models in Forza, they did not take actually cars, they are all SIMULATED damage models, they do not have licenses with the companies and just amke the damage as realiztic as possible with computers or at least that's wut ive read

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
Have you played Forza yet? The damage has no effect on the way the car handles or anything... just makes it look different... that's retarded...

That's just the demo. In the final product, there will be three different (selectable) damage models...

Three levels of car damage will punish players who let things get out of hands in the turns. On the lowest level, there will be cosmetic damage (crumpled panels, smashed glass, trailing bumpers, missing exterior bits), but it won't affect car performance. On the middle level, damage will affect some aspects of performance, but not all, and it won't be possible to completely crash out of a race. On the most unforgiving level, damage will directly affect performance, and crash-happy drivers will not survive long at all. The damage level also affects how much cash career mode players will have to shell out to fix a car in between races.

Link to 1up.com

 

[AdamSnow]

Very nice Wingznut ... you just made my day...

I cant wait now...

 

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Here's your very first review............

 

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And your second one at that.........

 

[SolMiester]

You guys ever tried V8 Supercars 1 or 2, now there is a great driving game, a bit arcady but, nice sounds. I dont know how X-Box / PS2 users get existed about driving games, cause they are nowhere near as good looking as on the PC

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: warcrow
Model damage isnt present, not because of the developers design choices, but because of the car manufatures contractual agreement. It's part of the licensing deal....they don't want ther cars to look bad and all smached up

Then it isnt a sim then is it!!

 

[sonoma1993]

they took the online mode out of gt4 beccause from what i heard, it was hard to code it in without causing glitches or it lagged to much or somethen. but there going to release a separate online mode of gt4 down the road.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: warcrow
Model damage isnt present, not because of the developers design choices, but because of the car manufatures contractual agreement. It's part of the licensing deal....they don't want ther cars to look bad and all smached up

Then it isnt a sim then is it!!

You're right. Just because there is potentiol that there isnt model damage (which someone already said its in there, you can turn it off/on)...this sint a sim. Every single simulation game out there including flight needs to have model damage.

 

[AdamSnow]

Originally posted by: warcrow

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: warcrow
Model damage isnt present, not because of the developers design choices, but because of the car manufatures contractual agreement. It's part of the licensing deal....they don't want ther cars to look bad and all smached up

Then it isnt a sim then is it!!

You're right. Just because there is potentiol that there isnt model damage (which someone already said its in there, you can turn it off/on)...this sint a sim. Every single simulation game out there including flight needs to have model damage.

You can turn it on and off ?

I think there is some confusion because we were talking about both Forza and GT4 in this thread...

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow

Originally posted by: warcrow

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: warcrow
Model damage isnt present, not because of the developers design choices, but because of the car manufatures contractual agreement. It's part of the licensing deal....they don't want ther cars to look bad and all smached up

Then it isnt a sim then is it!!

You're right. Just because there is potentiol that there isnt model damage (which someone already said its in there, you can turn it off/on)...this sint a sim. Every single simulation game out there including flight needs to have model damage.

You can turn it on and off ?

I think there is some confusion because we were talking about both Forza and GT4 in this thread...

There is non-visual damage in gran turismo that effects the way the car drives. At least there was in GT3, I can't remember GT1 or GT2.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: RedRooster
If it's the greatest simulation ever, why is there no damage at all, and why did they make the sense of speed so much higher than real life to make up for their track design/physics shortcomings?
I've played it briefly and read everything there is to read about the whole Forza/GT4 debate(which IGN proclaimed was in Forza's favor) and I fail to see how people can proclaim this the greatest sim ever made? What about all the great ones on PC(GPL, GTR, etc.)? On console, yes. Ever, not a chance.
GT4, to me, is a very mainstream car racing game that just happens to have the most cars/tracks in any game, which I'll admit gives it a ton of replayability.
Obviously it'll outsell anything else on the market, much as Madden does. And we all know what a dead horse that is.

GT3 had damage. It wasn't visual, but it affected the way the car handled. As already stated, they weren't allowed to show visual damage. Not that it would make any difference gameplay wise. It'd be cool, but doesn't make it anymore realistic playing than anything else.

Gran Turismo is the greatest sim because of it's scope. It uses real tracks, real cars, real modifications. I recall in GT2, you could buy used cars and make them racing machines. They drove like the real thing, looked like the real thing. Hell, watch a replay sometime in GT4, you'll think it's a real race. The graphics are simply amazing, the gameplay is great. The guy who designs them owns a Lancer Evolution. He stated that with the proper tweaking, you can make it fast enough to take on any of the cars in GT3. You have so much control over every aspect of the car, it's great.

I don't know any other racing game that has the scope that Gran Turismo has always had. Although I would definitely get Forza, I wouldn't necessarily say it's better than GT.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: malak
Although I would definitely get Forza, I wouldn't necessarily say it's better than GT.

Yeah, you definitely can't say Forza is better since it isn't even out yet.

But the fact that GT4 lacks online play gives Forza a damn good head start.