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Am I supposed to be surprised? I'm sure that many Europeans would enjoy the sight of dead American soldiers.
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Originally posted by: Doggiedog
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
were did they come up with that? the article says nothing of the sort.
This article does.
sure, but that is one of the most disrespected tabloids in Great Britain, you might as well site the Weekly World News. not to mention the media tycoon who owns it has been doing everything he can to push this war though, and milking anything else that will bring in capitol for him as well. but i guess some people don't care if the news is creditable or not, as long as it suits their agendas more than it gets in the way. :disgust:
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Doggiedog
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
were did they come up with that? the article says nothing of the sort.
This article does.
sure, but that is one of the most disrespected tabloids in Great Britain, you might as well site the Weekly World News. not to mention the media tycoon who owns it has been doing everything he can to push this war though, and milking anything else that will bring in capitol for him as well. but i guess some people don't care if the news is creditable or not, as long as it suits their agendas more than it gets in the way. :disgust:
I wouldn't know. I was too busy staring at the boobies.
Few Muslims, and it truly is a minority, will quickly disregard me as a heathen for my support of American policies. Nevermind that I don't support all U.S. policies and I don't do it blindly, but for the most part I like my adopted country.
Some poeple regard American culture as immoral and materialistic. I know whenever I go back to the middle east or the Indian sub-continent a few people will regard me with contempt, maybe outright hatred - I've never cared to find out. Essentially, what happens is a more-conservative culture clashes with a more liberal culture. Our Republicans don't compare to the conservatism that can be found in many Muslim countries. On a few rare occassions, me and my friends have a clash of ideologies with people in America who still have that Muslim conservatism. It rises from false beliefs and views on America, because they haven't truly been exposed. You have to keep in mind that what reaches them is our grossly exaggerated view of America represented through the media. I can't even begin to tell how powerful American media is; you truly get a sense once you're in these 3rd world countries. These movies, the music - they are America to the world. It doesn't help that America does indeed have a few policies that can truly irritate and hurt Muslims and Muslim countries. By and large, it's just how we sometimes represent ourselves.
The truth is that these countries also have problems with teenage pregnancy, etc. - but it's kept very quiet. Few people have the guts to admit the truth. America's problems, IMHO, aren't "special" or limited to here, but some want to assume moral superiority.
However, in some people and even some primarily Muslim countries that conservatism goes to the point where it's forced down your throat. If you refuse, they don't just look at you in contempt, they'll outright punish you. I see myself as an American and a Muslim, but they see me as solely American.
An example: once when I was visiting family in Bangladesh; my cousins and family friends (my peers) asked me how many people I've had sex with. They then proceeded to ask me if I could give them advice. I was 16 at the time, and I was just shocked. Not over the idea of sex, but the fact that it was an assumed fact that I've had sex multiple times and with multiple partners. Okay, fine, maybe there are some really experienced 16-year olds, but I don't believe that's typical. All I could say is that I hadn't had sex. They all just stared and said, "Really?" They were so sure I was lying. In Islam, sex before marriage is typically thought of as wrong, and even though I was Muslim they just figured I lost all my Muslim morals as an American. But, these were my friends and cousins - they loved me either way; they didn't really care. Not only teenagers asked me, but my younger uncles and aunts asked me. Older people would not talk about it; it's just something you don't talk about. I couldn't even imagine what would've happened in a more strict environment and a more strict country. Some elder people would just assume the worst.
Edit (2/03/03):
Spelling, grammar, tried to shorten it - really!
Funny how when there is a poll within US, people immediately question whether it is a good reflection of the entire population.
In case of the French, they just make full use of the opportunity to bash them.
In case of the French, they just make full use of the opportunity to bash them.
That is not necessarily true.
I know some Koreans who want America to lose so that Bush doesn't consider a war on North Korea. That doesn't necessarily mean that they will enjoy to watch Americans die.
I give you that there are quite a few wackos these days, they stand out a bit too much, and some people tend to go along with them too without much thought.
Originally posted by: freegeeks
The USA needs a little spanking to loose its arrogance
yeah lets try to beat down the one country that has fought for freedom for the rest of the world for almost the past 100 years, while you are it why not blame the US for stopping the germans (twice) and the Japs, the world would have been much better had Hitler been allowed to keep France...
First you claimed the article doesn't say what it was purported to have said.
Now, relieved of that misconception, you attack the credibility of the poll that didn't exist.
Now, relieved of that misconception, you attack the credibility of the poll that didn't exist.
If a nation capable of overwhelming force (for instance, the Chinese) invaded the UK (ignoring any geographical issues for the purposes of the argument), would the Americans not wish the British success in beating the invaders?
If not, why not?
If so, what is the problem with the French having the same belief?
If not, why not?
If so, what is the problem with the French having the same belief?
I think Saddam would be content to be left alone to run his country. He has no ideological hatred for the US; only a pragmatic dislike -- the US is largely responsible for a lot of ills his country is facing.
This is simply not true of the Iraqis. The Iraqi leadership -- though largely made up of Sunni muslims -- is secular in nature. Saddam is not a clerical leader, and the majority of Iraqis are not Wahabbists. This fact alone makes them completely different in nature from al Qaeda. They are not fighting a relgious war, and they do not care about "infidels"; any attempt to portray it as such is founded on pure ignorance.
Because China is baaaaad.
Because to think from a different point of view is simply unthinkable.
Because you are taking this too philosophical. Be realistic.
Because they are French.
This is how I thought of this earlier in this thread:
Here is a better BBC link. If you do the maths you'll see that the poll actually suggests 1 in 4 support the Iraqi's and not 1 in 3 (good old sun giving a great interpretation of the numbers). I personally believe that those 25% are both angry at America and stupid for not realising exactly what they are saying. For anyone of those 25% that fall outside that description - they need serious help.
I'm thinking of posting a poll of the number of people who don't realise that Al-Qaeda and Iraq aren't the same thing.
Which I then followed up with:
This is how I reasoned it out. What do you think?
Cheers,
Andy
I think I can't exactly see how what you wrote relates to what I wrote, I'm afraid.
For the moment I'm asking people to suspend their judgements on the French, and tell me how they would answer in my hypothetical scenario.
Once they have answered the hypothetical, I would like to know:
a) if they would support the British: why do they not similarly support the Iraqis?
b) if they would support the Chinese: why do they support the aggressive invaders?
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