Well, I'm a local (poor) French speaker of distant French descent (Bethea) . . . look me up . . . if you are looking to get kicked. Personally, I would prefer to share some fromage and Perrier.
Well, I'm a local (poor) French speaker of distant French descent (Bethea) . . . look me up . . . if you are looking to get kicked. Personally, I would prefer to share some fromage and Perrier.
Motel 6 for a start, just check the label if it says made in france you can probably bet it came from there.
Bleep
It is easy to come to view of wanting Iraq to win if you are anti-war. But to want Americans to die instead of Iraqis isn't much different. There is still the same violent energy behind it, regardless of who you want to win. That is why being anti-war is not the same as being pro-peace. Recently there was a thread about an anti-war speaker who wanted to see a "million Mogadishus" unleashed on the Americans. The attitude is understandable when you see the images of the civiliian casualties, when you hear (or do not hear) of the Iraqi fighters being bombed and filled with bullets by the far superior American mass-murder machine. When of course they are trying to defend their country against the invaders in their war of agression. And so the anti-war position can easily turn to the demonization and hatred of an ally nation, or even your own country. That attitude is not any better. I think we should remember that nobody deserves to die in this war, Iraqi or American, civilian or soldier.
mastertech01
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It isnt understandable when the person who states it is an educated university professor who should know better, just as YOU should also know better. Your lies are no better than anyone elses.
Siddhartha
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I'm sure that isn't just the french who think this way, there are a lot of countries who wants to see the US's ass kicked!!!
I've seen 'em and newscasts in othe foreign countires, too. Yes, there's a difference, but that's not because the U.S. newscasts are gov't owned - they care about profit to a degree and a wee-bit of yellow journalism from the days of yore still run through the veins of America's news giants. I personally prefer CNN, it comes closest to top-notch world journalism if not actually it.
I think he's just saying... let's all get along and be peaceful. He's also saying the French actions were stupid and violent. Peace may not be practical, but there's nothing dishonest in it.
That's fine, but defacing a cemetary with WW veterans, who have nothing to do with Iraq, and who actually liberated France is ok? IMHO, that's just stupid...
France is being defiant because they're fully aware that, while once upon a time, they were a large and important country, they are currently of little insignificance to the world and can only be counted on to produce piss-poor wines and surrender the moment an invading army steps onto their soil.
Due to their lack of economic or military power, they're fully aware that their time as permanant members of the UN Security council will be up soon, and they're using it as a soapbox to draw attention and seem like they actually matter in the grand scheme of things.
There are dozens of countries that could take their seat in a second, and hopefully, France will be bumped off and be relegated to the same level of notoriety as all of the other second-rate First World nations out there.
Due to their lack of economic or military power, they're fully aware that their time as permanant members of the UN Security council will be up soon, and they're using it as a soapbox to draw attention and seem like they actually matter in the grand scheme of things.
There are dozens of countries that could take their seat in a second, and hopefully, France will be bumped off and be relegated to the same level of notoriety as all of the other second-rate First World nations out there.
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
were did they come up with that? the article says nothing of the sort.
Relations will be further rent by a second poll, in Le Monde, showing that only a third of the French felt that they were on the same side as the Americans and British, and that another third desired outright Iraqi victory over ?les anglo-saxons?.
France has neither winter, nor summer, nor morals. France is miserable because it is filled with Frenchmen, and Frenchmen are miserable because they live in France. - Mark Twain
This is nothing new.
This is nothing new.
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
were did they come up with that? the article says nothing of the sort.
This article does.
Here is a better BBC link. If you do the maths you'll see that the poll actually suggests 1 in 4 support the Iraqi's and not 1 in 3 (good old sun giving a great interpretation of the numbers). I personally believe that those 25% are both angry at America and stupid for not realising exactly what they are saying. For anyone of those 25% that fall outside that description - they need serious help.
I'm thinking of posting a poll of the number of people who don't realise that Al-Qaeda and Iraq aren't the same thing.
Cheers,
Andy
I'm thinking of posting a poll of the number of people who don't realise that Al-Qaeda and Iraq aren't the same thing.
Cheers,
Andy
Yeah, Iraq and Al-Qaeda are nothing alike either, eh?Originally posted by: Fencer128
Here is a better BBC link. If you do the maths you'll see that the poll actually suggests 1 in 4 support the Iraqi's and not 1 in 3 (good old sun giving a great interpretation of the numbers). I personally believe that those 25% are both angry at America and stupid for not realising exactly what they are saying. For anyone of those 25% that fall outside that description - they need serious help.
I'm thinking of posting a poll of the number of people who don't realise that Al-Qaeda and Iraq aren't the same thing.
Cheers,
Andy
They both hate America and Israel couldn't be happier that seeing every American and Israeli dead.
They both would also like to finish off the rest of the "infidels" (read non-Arab-Muslims) in the world after America and Israel are dealt with, including the French, Russians and Germans.
This arguement moves away from the point I was making but since you have suggested that:
I would just like to remind you that I actually said:
The context from which I chose the statement was an interview with an American woman on channel 4 (uk), where she said she wanted a war with Iraq because she wanted "revenge". When the interviewer pointed out that Al-Quaeda and not Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 she said "is their a difference?". When the interviewer then explained the difference she said "I believe that they (Iraq, Al-Quaeda) are the same thing.
Now, whilst I disagree with the womans reasoning - and would hope she never has to be the one who has her finger on any destructive buttons - I don't hate her for it. There are stupid people everywhere, and I understand that. As my last post states, this is how I reason out the US-France sentiments at the moment. Anger/Revenge whatever else driving people and leading to stupid ill-though out comments as have been suggested through the "le monde" poll. The only people we must really worry about are those who aren't stupid/misinformed but harbor those viewpoints anyway - and from talking to all sides in this I can happily say that they appear to be a real small minority indeed.
Cheers,
Andy
I would just like to remind you that I actually said:
The context from which I chose the statement was an interview with an American woman on channel 4 (uk), where she said she wanted a war with Iraq because she wanted "revenge". When the interviewer pointed out that Al-Quaeda and not Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 she said "is their a difference?". When the interviewer then explained the difference she said "I believe that they (Iraq, Al-Quaeda) are the same thing.
Now, whilst I disagree with the womans reasoning - and would hope she never has to be the one who has her finger on any destructive buttons - I don't hate her for it. There are stupid people everywhere, and I understand that. As my last post states, this is how I reason out the US-France sentiments at the moment. Anger/Revenge whatever else driving people and leading to stupid ill-though out comments as have been suggested through the "le monde" poll. The only people we must really worry about are those who aren't stupid/misinformed but harbor those viewpoints anyway - and from talking to all sides in this I can happily say that they appear to be a real small minority indeed.
Cheers,
Andy
I don't about the rest, but that last part... I'm an American Muslim and they would regard me as an infidel as much as the next non-Muslim American, especially since I'm way pro-America. They simply want to finish off everyone that is not them.
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