cKGunslinger
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This is why I keep coming back to P&N - Intelligent and insightful discourse with rational and mature individuals with well-formed senses of perspective and a litany of profound ideas. :evil:
wtf, you think that rebuilding of an entire country means that something like this can happen overnight?
You must be extremely naive.
cKGunslinger
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You are perfectly free to:
a) Don't pay taxes (there are many (legal) ways to do this.)
b) Move to a "red-state"
c) Get on welfare
What's the difference?
Starbuck1975
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Not necessarily...this report does not take into account concentration of population and corporations in relation to state expenditures of the federal aid they receive...regardless of the number of people living in a particular state or region of the country, the federal government, due to its own inefficient bureaucracy, has to provide for certain services, infrastructure and financial assistance...the spending of these funds becomes increasingly more inefficient when you take into account that the government is providing certain services for regions of the country that, due to income discrepancies, cannot possibly match the federal income taxes collected in a more populated blue state...hell, the federal income taxes collected off upper management alone in NYC is probably significantly larger then all of the federal income taxes collected in the entire state of west Virginia...for a state like NY or CA, the sheer number of people and company's paying into the federal tax pool will far outweigh the needs of that state in terms of federal aid.
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Come one people, use your heads. The $$ isn't for materials alone.
How about this? I'll give any of you $20 to build a 6" tall house from a deck of cards. But you have to build in on the moon. $100 if you build it on Mars. Sounds great, huh? A deck of cards only costs $0.75! I can make one on my dining room table for free in about 5 minutes! You're making a huge profit, huh? :roll:
This will not be a 1.5 Billion dollar building - it will be a 100 million dollar building, requiring over a billion dollars worth of labor, security, transportation, staffing, etc. Take into account, it may possibly be destroyed or damaged by insurgents every other month during its construction. That's a lot of re-building. And you think those unioned construction workers will be making minimum wage? In a combat zone?
That said, is the building overpriced? Probably. Have you all exaggerated about how overpriced it is and chose to ignore the complications in constructing it? Definitely.
Heh, you want to talk about the cost because of the instablity? Then what about that 200 Billion we throw at Iraq already and the American died because of that. Why hasn't those made Iraq a safer place? Oh and while we are at it, remind us why we were there in the first place and spending all those money? Was it the WMD that never existed or democracy for some country that had nothing to do with 911 at the expense of American life and tax dollar?
cKGunslinger
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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Come one people, use your heads. The $$ isn't for materials alone.
How about this? I'll give any of you $20 to build a 6" tall house from a deck of cards. But you have to build in on the moon. $100 if you build it on Mars. Sounds great, huh? A deck of cards only costs $0.75! I can make one on my dining room table for free in about 5 minutes! You're making a huge profit, huh? :roll:
This will not be a 1.5 Billion dollar building - it will be a 100 million dollar building, requiring over a billion dollars worth of labor, security, transportation, staffing, etc. Take into account, it may possibly be destroyed or damaged by insurgents every other month during its construction. That's a lot of re-building. And you think those unioned construction workers will be making minimum wage? In a combat zone?
That said, is the building overpriced? Probably. Have you all exaggerated about how overpriced it is and chose to ignore the complications in constructing it? Definitely.
Heh, you want to talk about the cost because of the instablity? Then what about that 200 Billion we throw at Iraq already and the American died because of that. Why hasn't those made Iraq a safer place? Oh and while we are at it, remind us why we were there in the first place and spending all those money? Was it the WMD that never existed or democracy for some country that had nothing to do with 911 at the expense of American life and tax dollar?
I have a better idea - why don't I just keep talking about this one building, as that's what this thead is about. Ok? Good.. :roll:
cKGunslinger
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Originally posted by: Engineer
I'm glad you like paying for this sh!t. I sure the hell don't! :|
A
Ah.. an elite member posting in all caps and using repeated phrases like "bushshit" giving me a cookie. LOL. I'll keep this one in a special place..
Edit: Oooh... and a nasty PM response, too!? Is there no end to my luck? *giggle*
Engineer
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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Engineer
I'm glad you like paying for this sh!t. I sure the hell don't! :|
A
Ah.. an elite member posting in all caps and using repeated phrases like "bushshit" giving me a cookie. LOL. I'll keep this one in a special place..
I could care less where you keep it.
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Come one people, use your heads. The $$ isn't for materials alone.
How about this? I'll give any of you $20 to build a 6" tall house from a deck of cards. But you have to build in on the moon. $100 if you build it on Mars. Sounds great, huh? A deck of cards only costs $0.75! I can make one on my dining room table for free in about 5 minutes! You're making a huge profit, huh? :roll:
This will not be a 1.5 Billion dollar building - it will be a 100 million dollar building, requiring over a billion dollars worth of labor, security, transportation, staffing, etc. Take into account, it may possibly be destroyed or damaged by insurgents every other month during its construction. That's a lot of re-building. And you think those unioned construction workers will be making minimum wage? In a combat zone?
That said, is the building overpriced? Probably. Have you all exaggerated about how overpriced it is and chose to ignore the complications in constructing it? Definitely.
Heh, you want to talk about the cost because of the instablity? Then what about that 200 Billion we throw at Iraq already and the American died because of that. Why hasn't those made Iraq a safer place? Oh and while we are at it, remind us why we were there in the first place and spending all those money? Was it the WMD that never existed or democracy for some country that had nothing to do with 911 at the expense of American life and tax dollar?
I have a better idea - why don't I just keep talking about this one building, as that's what this thead is about. Ok? Good.. :roll:
Heh, you're the one that brought up how unsafe it is in Iraq and make it an excuse like it is alright to spend that kinda money for the embassy there. Just want to remind you if security is the reason, we the tax payers also paid $200B trying to fix too that and see where that got us.
I posted on this weeks ago. Most of the corporations that pay into the tax rolls in the blue states do so from profits produced in the red states. Outside of CA, how many blue states have much of an argriculturial base? How many produce anything that isn't made of toner on paper? Just who is the welfare case here. The factories and farms in the red states can continue without the blue states, can the blue states survive without the production and food from the red states. Can California really feed all of the blue bellies that need food? Are there enough energy processing resources in the blue states to fend off a bad winter? Can the ports in the blue states provide anchorage for enough ships to cloth and supply the populations of the blue states. You have to remember at some point that the major portion of America's population resides in the blue states, but the resources that feed, clothe, and shelter them reside in the red states. I feel pretty secure with this balance.
Oh, this is ridiculous. There is almost $30 Billion wasted on pork barrel spending from both Republican and DEMOCRAT Senators alike fattening up there constituents who donated to there campaign. And this comes up, yet that is ignored.
i'm sure we're going to start hearing about the $5,000 toilets and $300 light bulbs soon.
if you want to complain about pork barrel spending, one way to lessen it would be to pass the mccain-feingold bill..guess what? bush promised during his 2000 campaign that he would sign it, well when it came to him i'm sure you know what he did with it. this is the most wasteful administration i've ever seen, nothing has a cost to them.
if you want to complain about pork barrel spending, one way to lessen it would be to pass the mccain-feingold bill..guess what? bush promised during his 2000 campaign that he would sign it, well when it came to him i'm sure you know what he did with it. this is the most wasteful administration i've ever seen, nothing has a cost to them.
This really makes me angry, like we need such a building in such a sh^t hole of a place.
Why dont we just take $80 billion worth of oil to pay for it.
Better yet we better take $180 billion worth just incase.........:roll:
Why dont we just take $80 billion worth of oil to pay for it.
Better yet we better take $180 billion worth just incase.........:roll:
The average US citizen isn't going to see a red cent even if the oil is taken to paid for the project, except for Bushies contractors.Originally posted by: Grunt03
This really makes me angry, like we need such a building in such a sh^t hole of a place.
Why dont we just take $80 billion worth of oil to pay for it.
Better yet we better take $180 billion worth just incase.........:roll:
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