1/3 of surveyed in the US think being christian is part of being American

[Grooveriding]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ng-christian-is-a-key-part-of-being-american/

....There was also a partisan divide: Around 43 percent of Republicans surveyed by Pew felt that Christianity was an important part of being an American, versus 29 percent of Democrats and 26 percent of independents. Exit polls show Trump won 80 percent of white born-again and evangelical Christian voters and smaller majorities among all other denominations of Christianity....

Crazytown. 80% of supposed hardcore christians vote for a despicable reprobate like Trump. I remember hypocrisy being a no-no as a running theme in the christian book of mythology. Republicans/Trump seem dedicated to steering a country founded on the value of secularism more and more into theocracy.

Trump is about as christian as an ayatollah, but he knows this is an extremely easily garnered and manipulated demographic. Inherently irrational and often guided on principles of fear, hate and discrimination - all psychologies he has used to achieve power in an appeal to the lesser qualities of human nature.

 

[John Connor]

Number one for me would be speak English. Trump really should finally make it the official language.

As to the Christan thing. It's fare to say a majority of Christians, more so then before came out and voted for Trump which helped him pull ahead. I also think that this country being largely Christan is why you see that stat. Is it any wonder though? The founding fathers and forefathers were Judeo Christian.

 

[jmagg]

christianlivesmatter

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

 

[boomerang]

If we have Trump because of Christians, does it then follow that Christians must be eliminated?

Just trying to rationalize this like a progressive would.

Maybe those Berkeley rioters would be useful in this regard.

 

[John Connor]

Maybe those Berkeley rioters would be useful in this regard.

LOL! Those Christians cling to not only Bibles but guns.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If we have Trump because of Christians, does it then follow that Christians must be eliminated?

Just trying to rationalize this like a progressive would.

Maybe those Berkeley rioters would be useful in this regard.

For a minute let's skip our usual fun. The answer is no of course so lets move on with just you and me. Christians I know (and this is not a scientific and definitely not universal polling) didn't care for Hillary. Some distrusted her and some voted against her. Too many astoundingly bit and now think Trump is a Christian in their corner.

Well I can't say what Trump is or is not, but there's a bit from the Bible which says "by their fruits shall you know them" or pretty close. There's no humility, charity, love for others over self. pretty much nothing I can tell.

But this has been a problem with any national subculture. In the case of patriotic leaning towards nationalistic I see it as "Godandamericanism", a conflation of beliefs where Christ is effectively meant to be head of the nation, and if you read and attempt how Jesus went around working in the New Testament, Christ wanted no part of that. It was the spiritual side of things, not kicking the Romans out of Israel, which the conventional lawgivers expected a Messiah to be.

In some sense some Christians fall into the same trap and look at Trump not as a literal messiah but an agent which would return us to a day which never existed and that is a problem. They don't want a theocracy however they want deference that others do not have and that is a problem.

 

[Grooveriding]

If we have Trump because of Christians, does it then follow that Christians must be eliminated?

Just trying to rationalize this like a progressive would.

Maybe those Berkeley rioters would be useful in this regard.

Hyperbole. People themselves no, but religion itself yes, regardless of which one, needs to go. This is already happening slowly though if you look at the trends of younger people and even 30 somethings. The evidence proving today's current religious myths false is overwhelming, there is no room for religious belief unless you choose to be willfully ignorant, are simply ignorant of the facts or so frightened of dying that you want to cling to a fantasy of escaping it.

I don't think there needs to be any sort of strong movement against religion. It's already naturally eroding and will continue to do so from the winds of enlightenment. Science and rational thought, the primary driver of human's progression and our advancement of the species, has shut religion down time and again. What does need strong opposition is any sort of regression into theocracy and allowing fantasy to dictate the reality of government policy.

It would be sort of ironic, and maybe a little poetically sad, to see a nation that was founded by individuals who suffered under theocratic principles and chose to flee and create a nation based on secularism in government. So they could create a place where people would not suffer what they suffered, end up turning into exactly the sort of nation its founders fled from, with some of its people now fleeing it for the same reasons the originators did.

Theocratic based laws and regulations are insanity, because they are based on fantasy. You may as well pull spells out of a Harry Potter book and enact the laws of Hogwarts on the people.

 

[John Connor]

In some sense some Christians fall into the same trap and look at Trump not as a literal messiah but an agent which would return us to a day which never existed and that is a problem. They don't want a theocracy however they want deference that others do not have and that is a problem.

No, they just want to make America great again. We built things, we had real jobs, we had things. That's why Trump won.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

LOL! Those Christians cling to not only Bibles but guns.

 

[John Connor]

Looks like a Kommissar Santa Claus.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, they just want to make America great again. We built things, we had real jobs, we had things. That's why Trump won.

I was talking about more than just Trump, but basic worldviews.

 

[Puffnstuff]

You know part of our immigration laws states that the applicant must be fluent in English and implies that they should assimilate into our culture. Too many of them only come here to take advantage of the opportunities that our country offers but have no intentions of assimilating into it. English should be our official language and multilingual signage or paperwork should not be required for anything except international documents. If you don't like it you know where the exits are.

 

[K1052]

You know part of our immigration laws states that the applicant must be fluent in English and implies that they should assimilate into our culture. Too many of them only come here to take advantage of the opportunities that our country offers but have no intentions of assimilating into it. English should be our official language and multilingual signage or paperwork should not be required for anything except international documents. If you don't like it you know where the exits are.

What immigrant population hasn't eventually assimilated into the US?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You know part of our immigration laws states that the applicant must be fluent in English and implies that they should assimilate into our culture. Too many of them only come here to take advantage of the opportunities that our country offers but have no intentions of assimilating into it. English should be our official language and multilingual signage or paperwork should not be required for anything except international documents. If you don't like it you know where the exits are.

Many countries are far stricter than the the US. Getting in to many EU countries for example or my personal choice NZ.

 

[allisolm]

1/3 of surveyed in the US think being christian is part of being American

Well, since approximately 3/4 of the US population identifies as Christian, that doesn't seem out of line, maybe even low..

 

[Murloc]

this isn't weird at all.

I mean, even Obama had to reference god in some speeches, if the US presidents don't do this they get in trouble. That means that religion has a big place in american society, unlike in many other western countries.

 

[Puffnstuff]

What immigrant population hasn't eventually assimilated into the US?

The millions who won't speak English and run around flying Mexican flags.. If you love MX so much take your asses back home and stay there.

 

[K1052]

The millions who won't speak English and run around flying Mexican flags.. If you love MX so much take your asses back home and stay there.

Citation needed for "millions who won't speak English".

Flying flags has nothing do to with assimilation since cultural pride and affiliation typically reaches several generations down. Should I knock on the door of my, very much American, neighbor who has an Italian flag and tell him he's an asshole for displaying it?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

1/3 of surveyed in the US think being christian is part of being American

Well, since approximately 3/4 of the US population identifies as Christian, that doesn't seem out of line, maybe even low..

I'm thinking most are "Well I'm not Jewish or a Muslim and maybe there's a God so I guess I'm a Christian" Christians.

 

[brycejones]

Looks like a Kommissar Santa Claus.

Nope just your run of the mill religious radical who attacked a federal armory.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nope just your run of the mill religious radical who attacked a federal armory.

And '70s Progressive Rock fan!

 

[HomerJS]

Number one for me would be speak English. Trump really should finally make it the official language.

As to the Christan thing. It's fare to say a majority of Christians, more so then before came out and voted for Trump which helped him pull ahead. I also think that this country being largely Christan is why you see that stat. Is it any wonder though? The founding fathers and forefathers were Judeo Christian.

Do you have any idea what the founding fathers thought about religion? You might want to take a peek.

 

[Brainonska511]

"I don't need to be a global citizen
Because I'm blessed by nationality
I'm member of a growing populace
We enforce our popularity
There are things that seem to pull us under
And there are things that drag us down
But there's a power and a vital presence
That's lurking all around

We've got the American Jesus
See him on the interstate
We've got the American Jesus
He helped build the president's estate

I feel sorry for the earth's population
'Cause so few live in the U.S.A.
At least the foreigners can copy our morality
They can visit but they cannot stay
Only precious few can garner the prosperity
It makes us walk with renewed confidence
We've got a place to go when we die
And the architect resides right here

We've got the American Jesus
Fostering their shame on faith
We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

He's the farmers barren fields
The force the army wields
The expression in the faces of the starving millions
The power of the man he's the fuel that drives the clan
He's the motive and conscience of the murderer
He's the preacher on t.v., the false sincerity
The form letter that's written by the big computers
The nuclear bombs and the kids with no moms
And I'm fearful that he's inside me

We've got the American Jesus
See him on the interstate
We've got the American Jesus
Exercising his authority

We've got the American Jesus
Fostering their shame on faith
We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

One nation, under god."

 

[Atreus21]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ng-christian-is-a-key-part-of-being-american/

Crazytown. 80% of supposed hardcore christians vote for a despicable reprobate like Trump. I remember hypocrisy being a no-no as a running theme in the christian book of mythology. Republicans/Trump seem dedicated to steering a country founded on the value of secularism more and more into theocracy.

Trump is about as christian as an ayatollah, but he knows this is an extremely easily garnered and manipulated demographic. Inherently irrational and often guided on principles of fear, hate and discrimination - all psychologies he has used to achieve power in an appeal to the lesser qualities of human nature.

You know, all a conservative on this board would have to do is start posting polls of Muslims around the world showing a preference for Sharia law and the death penalty for apostasy, and leftists would call them Islamophobes.

Secondly, the charge of hypocrisy against Christians who voted for Trump is sheer nonsense. Christians didn't go looking around for the best candidate they could, finding Trump. They were presented with a madman like Trump versus a lying criminal like Hillary, and chose according to their options. Trump, if nothing else, gave at least lip service to the issues that Christians tend to care about. Hillary wrote them off as deplorables, arrogantly thinking she didn't need to appeal for their vote.

The rest of your post is just more inflammatory silliness against Christians.