1.3 Celeron - Anyone OC it yet? Also, what's the diff - CeleronA vs. Coppermine P3

[RU482]

I have a need for a new tutalon, and considering the price difference between a 1.0 Ghz and 1.3 is only $10, it seems like the 1.3 is the easy choice.

Just wondering if anyone has OC'd a 1.3 yet. Wondering if it's any good or not, even though I won't be OCing



Is the only difference between a Coppermine P3 and a Tutalin Celeron the FSB (133 vs 100)?

 

[ChefJoe]

the celly you refer to is a Tualatin core, right?

Tualatin has been redesigned a bit and typically rates near what its CuMine bretheren got... though when you start to theow in the effects of FSB, kind of a tough call. http://www.techbargains.com/hottips/hottip8/index.cfm has a database of some scores... looks like FSB doesn't account for much difference there... maybe 5% or so.

I just (1 hour ago or less) popped in a 1.3 celly on a TUSL2-C and, as I expected, it didn't make 133 FSB, but so far I've got it running at 110FSB (like I was able to get before... think a hauppauge card which I want to work ruins trying to OC) with no voltage increase... stock HSF, AS2 smeared on the IHS, seti@home cmd line puts it at 43 C.

IMHO, these celerons are a great fix for the P3 mobos you may have around... with wire wrap tricks to make BX chipsets work and TUS boards which are all but outdated, slap one last cpu upgrade in there for $90 and then close the box and save your money for your next system.

 

[oldfart]

Clock for clock, a Tullie Celeron is faster than a CuMine PIII @ the same FSB. C1.3 is not the best ckoice since you cant get the FSB up very high. C1.0A or C1.1A is the way to go.

 

[Booster]

Is the only difference between a Coppermine P3 and a Tutalin Celeron the FSB (133 vs 100)?

Well, as far as I know, the Tualatin Celery has hardware prefetch disabled plus to crippled FSB. And there may be some more downsides which aren't widely discussed, I think. I have one of these 1.0A parts running in my second rig @1.33 GHz (133FSB), rather speedy, I should say, and was so easy to OC with stock HSF!

 

[oldfart]

Actually, you have it reversed. The Tualatin Celeron DOES have data prefetch logic, unlike the CuMine PIII and Celeron which do not. That is what makes it a faster CPU. There are no downsides when comparing a Tualeron to a CuMine CPU except the 100 MHz FSB. If you are an overclocker, it is a big plus.

 

[bacillus]

my 1.2 is running nicely @124fsb!

 

[Athlon4all]

The Tualatin Celeron has 2 main differences from the Coppermine:

1. .13 Tualatin deprived, and requires new chipset/mobo. And thus has all the core enhancements of the Tualatin core.
2. Only operates at 100fsb.

 

[joekker]

The Celeron also adds 1 wait state to level 2 cache. Clock for clock it's about 20% slower than a Tualatin P3.

 

[andreasl]

The Celeron also adds 1 wait state to level 2 cache. Clock for clock it's about 20% slower than a Tualatin P3.

Looks like this is becoming an urban legend It derives from a little CPUID program that mistakenly reported the P3 L2 latency as 0 (something that is impossible) and the Celeron latency to 1 (or was it 2?). Anyway, it's not true..

 

[RU482]

1. .13 Tualatin deprived, and requires new chipset/mobo. And thus has all the core enhancements of the Tualatin core.
2. Only operates at 100fsb.

Clarify.. are you saying a Tualatin core celly is not .13, or is?

 

[oldfart]

I've had Tualatin Celerons, Several PIII and Celeron CuMines and a Tualatin PIII-S. The Tualatin Celeron is FASTER than a CuMine PIII when run @ the same FSB and same clock speed. No doublt about it. All Tualatins are .13u, and have data prefetch logic. None of the CuMines do.

 

[Witchfinder]

The Celeron Tu 1200 clocks easily @ 1400 at stock voltage and still runs ultra cool, I fitted a Globalwin FOP32 (a cheap but light and efficient Athlon cooler after bending the clip to reduce the force) to my brothers and it`s fine.. I DID get him the Retail version as there was no price difference at the time and used the retail HS on my Coppermine 566 @ 850 with AS3.. there has been talk about the 1000A and 1100A being better buys for clocking however but I doubt that they`d run as cool.. There is no doubt that the Tualatin rocks, that 1400 Celeron eats 1600 Williamette P4s and my Ladyfriends 1400 P3 with it`s 512K cache and no wait states is incredibly quick ..

 

[techwanabe]

One thing to remember is that the Celey Tu will be bandwidth limited since it cannot take advantage of DDR capabilities. When set at the same clock speeds as Athlon XPs or Pentium 4s, the Celey Tu compares favorably in benchmarks, even beats in some. But anything dependant on memory bandwidth will reveal a substantial lag for the Celey Tu.

Still, I was able to pick up an Abit ST6 mobo and Celey Tu 1.0A for a total shipped price of $131. So I am doubling my clock speed for that price. That is cheap. If I wanted to get the bandwidth improvement, I would have had to buy memory and a new case/PS too, which would have more than doubled my cost. So for folks wanting a cheap upgrade to a "decent" speed for cheap, that seems to be it. Otherwise you will have to spend twice that. My next upgrade will be to a better vid card, either a GF3Ti200 (cheapest) or GF44200.

I'm following Oldfarts advice and OCing the 1.0A to 1.333 or 1.4 ghz... that should yield better performance than a 1.2 set at a lower FSB or even a 1.1A... the reasoning is you want to get that FSB up has high as possible to help the memory bandwidth issue. You still top out at the same approximate CPU speed with all these chips, so the FSB/memory is the thing that helps make the difference.

 

[oldfart]

The Celeron-T 1.0A @ 1.3 - 1.4 is a pretty good performer. I think you will be prertty happy with it. Where di you get it for $131 shipped?

 

[techwanabe]

Oldfart,

I bought the Celey 1.0A at Newegg when they had it priced at $63 and a special "free shipping special". I got in there during a good deal so you have to watch for those. The price fluctuates alot at Newegg.

I got the ABIT ST6 mobo at Mwave (did a pricewatch search for it) and their price was $61 with $6.95 shipping IIRC. So I went to two different sources to get the best pricing. Combined was about $131... about the best I could do.

I know I've been taking my sweet time with this whole thing... not gaming much right now... and so I've been biding my time. I bought the CPU in early May and the mobo 10 days ago. I had my daughter all weekend so no time to play with hardware. Maybe this week or weekend I'll tear my system down and rebuild it with the new mobo CPU.

I'm hoping I can OC it without the wire trick. I've heard a number of folks who were able to get it to boot at 133 mhz FSB without the wire trick. Time will tell. I'm kind of hoping by getting a "later" production Celey 1.0A, it will be easier to OC. That seems to be the general trend - later ones are better in that respect.

 

[boyRacer]

1.1As kick ass... still can't believe i gave in and put a celeron in my rig... never thought id do that... but im the only one who knows hahahaha... it says Pentium III 1100 at post... LOL... anyway... i won't be upgrading for awhile... and if i did... it probably wouldn't be a P4 still... maybe the 1.53GHz P3 when the price goes down... oh well.

 

[techwanabe]

My intention is to have my new Celey Tu rig last me for another year hopefully. Then maybe in the summer of 2003 re-evaluate and upgrade to either an Athlon XP (new die size hopefully) or a Pentium 4. Hopefully I'll be able to yet again double my clock speed to 2.8 ghz neighborhood.

My upgrade goal for CPUs is to 1) double my clock speed and 2) upgrade inexpensively. I think I am meeting that goal by going from a PIII@733 to Celey Tu @1.4 ghz for $131! Next time will probably be in a year. Only other "major upgrade" for me in the coming months will be a new vid card - I'd like to get the GF4ti4200 but I'm going to wait a bit to see if the price will drop. Still, $159 isn't bad at Newegg!

 

[adlep]

You can get one from me for only $75.00 shipped.....(with a heatsink)
;-)

 

[Witchfinder]

"""[ Asus CUSL2-C BP Celeron 1.1A @ 1.5GHz """

Sounds like you`ve been having fun wire-wrapping and ZIF Socket hacking there .. The 1.0 or 1.1 will be the route I`ll take for my CUSL2 should the heavily OC`d Cu566 croak ...

 

[dbal]

Originally posted by: BoYRaCeR
maybe the 1.53GHz P3 when the price goes down... oh well.

Sorry?? Was ever a 1.53Ghz PentiumIII produced to wait for prices to drop???:Q BTW, what were the highest clock speeds the P3 and Celerons with the Tualatin core reached to till Intel stopped production?

 

[boyRacer]

Sounds like you`ve been having fun wire-wrapping and ZIF Socket hacking there .. The 1.0 or 1.1 will be the route I`ll take for my CUSL2 should the heavily OC`d Cu566 croak ...

LOL... hahaha... yah took me about 30 mins... i slightly bent some pins trying to pull off the 3... and then i thought... "this will cost me $65 if i jack this up" ... was hell trying to wrap the vid pins... hahaha... worked at first boot though so i'm happy... for a couple more months at least.

Sorry?? Was ever a 1.53Ghz PentiumIII produced to wait for prices to drop??? BTW, what were the highest clock speeds the P3 and Celerons with the Tualatin core reached to till Intel stopped production?

Well... its in the roadmap... P3-S 1.53GHz 512K Tualatin... should be the last one... i'm guessing itll cost close to $350-400 when released just like the 1.26GHz one... but now you can find it for $150.

The highest P3 Tualatin right now is the P3-S 1.4GHz 512K... the highest Celeron is 1.4 too... 256k... like i said 1.53GHz should be the last P3.

 

[MadRat]

<<The Celeron also adds 1 wait state to level 2 cache. Clock for clock it's about 20% slower than a Tualatin P3.>>

Like someone said, its not true. Celeron-T's L2 cache is only active for input every other cycle while a full blown P!!!-T's L2 cache is active every cycle. It is easier to cripple half of the L2 cache's cycles then it is to redesign the entire L2 cache to work at half the set associativity.

 

[techwanabe]

Well... its in the roadmap... P3-S 1.53GHz 512K Tualatin... should be the last one... i'm guessing itll cost close to $350-400 when released just like the 1.26GHz one... but now you can find it for $150.

That might be nice... I know Oldfart had a set up with the P3-S OC'd nicely. For me, bare bones cost was the whole consideration, otherwise I would have gone the Athlon XP route for an 1800+ or so for more raw performance on a modest but higher cost.

So hopefully the 1.4 Celey Tu will provide reasonably good performance for gaming for another year. It will be interesting to see what Summer of 2003 brings for upgrade options. It seems most component prices have seen a slow down in price drops with the exception of CPUs and Video which continues to get faster and drop significantly in price. I'd like to see some good CPU options in a year, like a smaller die Athlon and faster memory bus.

 

[oldfart]

I had a PIII-S 1.26 @ 1.5 GHz. I run a P4 setup now. The PIII-S setup was pretty sweet. Fast, cool and VERY quiet. Nice CPU's. The Celeron-T's are a good bang for the $. I think you will be happy with the new setup.

 

[RU482]

OK, finally got a 1.3Ghz Celeron ($57 w/retail HSF refurb from newegg) on an Asus TUSI-m mobo. Easy OC to 1.45Ghz...running 36C though. Booted fine into XP @ 1.56Ghz, but on board lan went berzerk.

I also got a refurby 1.2Ghz Celeron for $51 I'm gonna try on this board (just to see what it'll do)

Interesting thing was, this mobo has shared memory for the video. I cranked the sd-ram speed up to 153Mhz, no problem...pretty good for on-board video!!

I had a 900Mhz Celeron running 1200 on this same board