“People of Color ONLY space”

[Rakehellion]

The bathroom idea is flawed, that is biological.

Men can use the same toilets as women.

 

[echo4747]

Who fucking cares? Who really cares who thinks Zimmerman is a racist or not. Can't we all just agree he is a piece of shit human being regardless of what happened with that incident?

Ok.. but is he a racist piece of shit, or just a piece of shit? See like at this forum.. there are many threads about race/racist discrimination... so evidently people care

 

[dank69]

Ok.. but is he a racist piece of shit, or just a piece of shit? See like at this forum.. there are many threads about race/racist discrimination... so evidently people care

I don't care if he is racist or not. I don't know him. The little I know about him points to him being a piece of shit that may or may not be a racist.

 

[Blanky]

I've had the sense recently that blacks are more likely to be vehemently racist than whites. I think non-whites are given a pass on racism in ways whites aren't.

This is just my personal view, but I'm generally pleased to see it backed up by statistics as well; e.g. blacks consider other blacks more racist than whites.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...s_view_blacks_as_racist_than_whites_hispanics

 

[Rakehellion]

I don't care if he is racist or not. I don't know him. The little I know about him points to him being a piece of shit that may or may not be a racist.

You don't care. People care.

 

[dank69]

You don't care. People care.

Good for them. He was asking me a question though, which is why I answered again.

 

[echo4747]

Good for them. He was asking me a question though, which is why I answered again.

My whole point deals with: how very subjective the topic is if you go strictly by the definition of racism that requires the one race is superior/inferior to another.

I only used GZ as an example because I think everyone here is probably somewhat aware of this case (the TM/GZ thread i think was 17,000+ posts).

 

[dank69]

My whole point deals with: how very subjective the topic is if you go strictly by the definition of racism that requires the one race is superior/inferior to another.

I only used GZ as an example because I think everyone here is probably somewhat aware of this case (the TM/GZ thread i think was 17,000+ posts).

We've already pointed out that the definition of racism usually hinges on superiority/inferiority but not always. Take the racist statement that black people like watermelon or fried chicken. Where is the superiority/inferiority in those? Still racist.

 

[echo4747]

We've already pointed out that the definition of racism usually hinges on superiority/inferiority but not always. Take the racist statement that black people like watermelon or fried chicken. Where is the superiority/inferiority in those? Still racist.

If that is the definition accepted here. I agree with that. Thanks

 

[Subyman]

I'm a little late to the party, but didn't the dude that was shot shoot a cop in the face? What is there to discuss?

 

[dank69]

If that is the definition accepted here. I agree with that. Thanks

There are many people still arguing against that definition, but it is clearly the right definition.

 

[werepossum]

How the hell did they manage to find a martyr that's objectively worse than Brown?

Unless their end game is to somehow make any behaviour acceptable with the provision of some perceived racial injustice, I don't see what this whole movement is after. We've gone from assaulting a cop not being a cause for getting shot, to now shooting a cop not being a cause of getting shot.

Exactly. Thank you.

What emperus is saying is that not allowing black people into your store isn't racism as long as you don't believe they're inferior to you; emperus supports separate but equal.

Nope, that would never be okay in his world. Only black people can make those determinations. For anyone else, it's racism, and racism is bad, m'kay?

I'm a little late to the party, but didn't the dude that was shot shoot a cop in the face? What is there to discuss?

The horrible racism that says it's not okay for him to shoot a cop in the face even though he's black, and the horrible racism that says it's not okay to exclude people based on the color of their skin from the meetings on how to make it okay for him to shoot a cop in the face.

 

[werepossum]

We've already pointed out that the definition of racism usually hinges on superiority/inferiority but not always. Take the racist statement that black people like watermelon or fried chicken. Where is the superiority/inferiority in those? Still racist.

Being from the south I know that EVERYONE likes watermelon and fried chicken unless they are mentally or morally defective.

 

[Vaux]

We've already pointed out that the definition of racism usually hinges on superiority/inferiority but not always. Take the racist statement that black people like watermelon or fried chicken. Where is the superiority/inferiority in those? Still racist.

I would call that a stereotype, not racism. Remember "White Men Can't Jump"? Remember all the press that got for being racist? Yeah I don't either. It's only ever racism when the two words "black people" are involved.

 

[dank69]

I would call that a stereotype, not racism. ...

That's because you are an idiot.

 

[Vaux]

That's because you are an idiot.

Very well thought out and detailed response, since you have no actual argument to refute mine. Good job.

 

[dank69]

Very well thought out and detailed response, since you have no actual argument to refute mine. Good job.

The refutation is the goddamn dictionary definition of racism. Go ahead, argue with Oxford.

 

[Vaux]

The refutation is the goddamn dictionary definition of racism. Go ahead, argue with Oxford.

I'll let Merriam-Webster do that for me.

 

[MongGrel]

I've had the sense recently that blacks are more likely to be vehemently racist than whites. I think non-whites are given a pass on racism in ways whites aren't.

This is just my personal view, but I'm generally pleased to see it backed up by statistics as well; e.g. blacks consider other blacks more racist than whites.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...s_view_blacks_as_racist_than_whites_hispanics

To be honest, I tend to agree a bit.

I knew a few black engineers when i worked at Honeywell thought they were gods gift to be on the earth I think, just because they got to that point.

Some had incredible chips on their shoulders, and many were also funny as hell and great people.

I think it comes down to personality a lot of time like many things.

Some things are just more psychological than skin color a lot of the time, it is a mix of both all over.

Mindsets mean a lot.

 

[Rebel_L]

The refutation is the goddamn dictionary definition of racism. Go ahead, argue with Oxford.

It really seems like you have missed the whole point of talking about how words are defined. The word racist certainly has a negative value judgement to it. If you want to broaden the word to not hinge on the negative things, all of a sudden everyone is a racist and the word looses its usefulness; By virtue of us being able to distinguish races into separate categories that we have names for they have to have differences. If you cant tell two objects(or groups) apart you would not be able to treat them differently in the first place.

Words are used to convey ideas, to understand how someone else defines a word is to understand what they are saying. When you start to disregard how other people define a word when they are using it you may as well put your fingers in your ears and yell "I'm not listening".

 

[dank69]

It really seems like you have missed the whole point of talking about how words are defined. The word racist certainly has a negative value judgement to it. If you want to broaden the word to not hinge on the negative things, all of a sudden everyone is a racist and the word looses its usefulness; By virtue of us being able to distinguish races into separate categories that we have names for they have to have differences. If you cant tell two objects(or groups) apart you would not be able to treat them differently in the first place.

Words are used to convey ideas, to understand how someone else defines a word is to understand what they are saying. When you start to disregard how other people define a word when they are using it you may as well put your fingers in your ears and yell "I'm not listening".

No, not really. All I've said is that this thread is about an example of racial discrimination and not racism.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

The word racist certainly has a negative value judgement to it. If you want to broaden the word to not hinge on the negative things, all of a sudden everyone is a racist and the word looses its usefulness;

Consider the following statements: "white people sure are great at holding full time jobs". Or "black people make great athletes". On the surface, these seem positive. But in the first statement, you pretty much insinuated that other races aren't great at holding full time jobs, and in the 2nd, you have insinuated that non-blacks aren't inherently athletic. Both actually contain a negative connotation. I strongly stand by my stance that just THINKING you know something about somebody because of their race is a mindset we need to reject. It can't ever lead somewhere good, it is a collectivist idea, and it is prejudice to its core.

By virtue of us being able to distinguish races into separate categories that we have names for they have to have differences. If you cant tell two objects(or groups) apart you would not be able to treat them differently in the first place.

The problem is, race is an idea created by society. Different societies in this world even have different definitions for what separates races. It's not a scientific concept. There truly is only one race, and that is the human race. Try this for a thought experiment: come up with a definition of what it means to be black. Your definition must be inclusive of all people who are black and exclusive of all who aren't. You probably can't. I can't.

 

[dank69]

Consider the following statements: "white people sure are great at holding full time jobs". Or "black people make great athletes". On the surface, these seem positive. But in the first statement, you pretty much insinuated that other races aren't great at holding full time jobs, and in the 2nd, you have insinuated that non-blacks aren't inherently athletic. Both actually contain a negative connotation. I strongly stand by my stance that just THINKING you know something about somebody because of their race is a mindset we need to reject. It can't ever lead somewhere good, it is a collectivist idea, and it is prejudice to its core.



The problem is, race is an idea created by society. Different societies in this world even have different definitions for what separates races. It's not a scientific concept. There truly is only one race, and that is the human race. Try this for a thought experiment: come up with a definition of what it means to be black. Your definition must be inclusive of all people who are black and exclusive of all who aren't. You probably can't. I can't.

Probably can but you'd have to go down to the DNA level. That said, I agree 100% with your point here.

 

[noob_saibot]

I keep hearing from blacks how black lives matter but by their own actions they prove otherwise. If black lives matter so much how come so many blacks kill other blacks?

 

[emperus]

We've already pointed out that the definition of racism usually hinges on superiority/inferiority but not always. Take the racist statement that black people like watermelon or fried chicken. Where is the superiority/inferiority in those? Still racist.

Actually both watermelon and fried chicken are historically racist comments. Their origins defined African Americans as inferior whether it be animalistic or just simple (stupid).

D.W. Griffith's seminal and supremely racist 1915 silent movie about the supposedly heroic founding of the Ku Klux Klan was a huge sensation when it debuted. One scene in the three-hor features a group of actors portraying shiftless black elected officials acting rowdy and crudely in a legislative hall. (The message to the audience: These are the dangers of letting blacks vote.) Some of the legislators are shown drinking. Others had their feet kicked up on their desks. And one of them was very ostentatiously eating fried chicken.

"That image really solidified the way white people thought of black people and fried chicken," Schmidt said.

Schmidt said that like watermelon, that other food that's been a mainstay in racist depictions of blacks, chicken was also a good vehicle for racism because of the way people eat it. (According to government stats, blacks are underrepresented among watermelon consumers.) "It's a food you eat with your hands, and therefore it's dirty," Schmidt said. "Table manners are a way of determining who is worthy of respect or not."