Discussion [TPU] - 5800x vs 5800x3d in 50 games

[GodisanAtheist]

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review

How much performance can you gain with Ryzen 7 5800X3D over the non-3DV Cache Ryzen 7 5800X when using the mighty GeForce RTX 4090? Our review has the answer, we test 53 games at three resolutions.

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TLR - the 5800x3d is gonna go down as a damn legend of a gaming CPU. Easily the smartest upgrade for anyone on the AM4 platform with an older Ryzen processor or even anyone with halfway decent DDR4 ram whose primary use case is gaming.

As an interesting aside, here is a similar 50 game roundup but with a 12900k. 5800x3D posts similar gains vs the 12900K:

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review

We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.

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[DAPUNISHER]

That it still wins in some games against Raptor and Zen 4 makes it a legend already. While being relatively low power, and giving up mad clockspeed and a DDR generation no less.

Tweak that game suite a little more in its favor and it is a serious beatdown. First get rid of GTA5, it is meaningless due to the game engine limitations; it only serves to obfuscate the real performance advantage. Next, add Microsoft Flight Sim and Assetto Corsa and the blowout is on.

Fun fact: The 3D alone outsold Raptor and Zen 4 combined last week at Mind Factory. I surmise if we saw the numbers from Amazon, Newegg, and AntOnline, we'd see the same thing. Perhaps even magnified due to the size of the market. The only thing that kept them from selling more was going OOS.

 

[Timorous]

Side by side comparison (if your screen is wide enough) at 1440p to see which CPU is better in each game between 12900K and 5800X3D.

I purchased my X3D on launch and have been really pleased with it, running PBO at -30 all core without issues.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I would like to also add that while everyone talks about the drop in upgrade, that isn't what I have seen happening. Last month I observed that AM4 boards were dominating sales at Amazon U.S. I can report nothing has changed. AM4 is still 1-5 and dominating the top 20. The 3D undoubtedly drove some of the latest numbers.

 

[Hitman928]

Side by side comparison (if your screen is wide enough) at 1440p to see which CPU is better in each game between 12900K and 5800X3D.

I purchased my X3D on launch and have been really pleased with it, running PBO at -30 all core without issues.

Seems TPU should adjust their limited game benchmark lineup as it shows different results in terms of performance ordering compared to their more expansive game tests. The 5800X3D goes from trailing the 12900K to beating it and potentially tying the 13900k (depending on how the 13900k results shake out in the larger test suite). Not bad for a last gen product on a platform many people can do a drop in upgrade on or buy into pretty cheaply. No wonder it's still leading the sales charts for DIY.

Intel Core i9-13900K Review - Power-Hungry Beast

With the Core i9-13900K, Intel delivers impressive performance. Our in-depth review confirms: Raptor Lake is the world's fastest CPU for gaming. Even in applications the processor is able to match AMD's Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X flagship. If only power consumption wasn't so high...

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[KompuKare]

That it still wins in some games against Raptor and Zen 4 makes it a legend already. While being relatively low power, and giving up mad clockspeed and a DDR generation no less.

Tweak that game suite a little more in its favor and it is a serious beatdown. First get rid of GTA5, it is meaningless due to the game engine limitations; it only serves to obfuscate the real performance advantage. Next, add Microsoft Flight Sim and Assetto Corsa and the blowout is on.

Fun fact: The 3D alone outsold Raptor and Zen 4 combined last week at Mind Factory. I surmise if we saw the numbers from Amazon, Newegg, and AntOnline, we'd see the same thing. Perhaps even magnified due to the size of the market. The only thing that kept them from selling more was going OOS.

Well I think W1zzard did say TPU were looking for suggestions for a more games.

Surprised about GTA5 as I would have though open world games would suite the x3D quite well - on the FO4 thread 5800X3D performed really well especially considering that the ADL scores where with highly tuned memory timings etc., while 5800X3D was pretty much running at stock.

I could live with plug-and-play-boring!

 

[nicalandia]

The 5800x3d is gonna go down as a damn legend of a gaming CPU.

No doubt about it. AMD Just Opened Pandora's Box with 3D Cache$

 

[MrTeal]

Which just shows the glaring hole in their lineup where a 7800X3D should be slotting in at $499. If Zen4 shows similar uplift as the 5800X3D does over the 5800X, you'd see it nudge past the 13900k as the top gaming CPU.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Well I think W1zzard did say TPU were looking for suggestions for a more games.

Surprised about GTA5 as I would have though open world games would suite the x3D quite well - on the FO4 thread 5800X3D performed really well especially considering that the ADL scores where with highly tuned memory timings etc., while 5800X3D was pretty much running at stock.

I could live with plug-and-play-boring!

The GTA5 game engine is capped at 187.5fps. All it does is add a goose egg that has a negative impact on the average. It is all statistical manipulation anyways, which is why I dislike game averages like that. You gave us the chart, let us find what we need.

Removing GTA5 and adding MS flight sim and Assetto Corsa would make the 3D cache look even better. If you wanted to manipulate it a bit more to pimp the 3D? Replace Cyberpunk'd and Ace Combat 7 with them.

 

[Ranulf]

Taking GTA5 as a serious benchmark these days is much like taking Starcraft2 seriously now 12 years later or the so far one example of a console port (4 years old no less) with RTX as gospel for the future of pc gaming.

At this point, the limitations are on the older game engines more than the hardware. Any decent cpu should be able to handle an 8v8 ffa big game hunters in SC2 as much as the engine will let it. The game ran like crud in custom TD maps with thousands of units on/off screen, it still does.The blame goes to blizzard at this point for even considering the era it was made (sloppy coding overall). They just released a tech demo/EA version of SINS2, making sure to mention that the game is being designed from the ground up to use 64bit and handle large numbers of units on screen since SINS1 of 2008 has had problems over the last 14 years with that.

GTA5 Online took 3-5 minutes to load up for years until a modder showed Rockstar publically how bad their code was and fixed it. Something Rockstar should have already known since RDR2 didn't have the same loading problems for its online mode on the same hardware.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Looks like we have a 13900K vs 5800x3d 50 game test up from TPU as well:

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Core i9-13900K vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review

Intel's new 13900K offers amazing gaming performance, thanks to improvements to caches, IPC and higher operating frequencies. But is that enough to beat the 3DV Cache-powered AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D? What about platform cost?

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Broadly speaking its a wash between the two with the 13900K performing incredibly well in a handful of games and only marginally better in the rest. DMC is really pulling the score in AMD's favor on 1080P.

By the time you get to 4K there is nearly no difference between the two.

 

[IEC]

The fact that a CPU a generation older with over 1GHz clockspeed deficit in addition to being limited to DDR4 vs DDR5 is so close just means the 5800X3D at the new retail price of $329 is the benchmark to beat. Especially when you could get CPU, board, and memory all for under $500 without much compromise. $600 if you wanna splurge. That's cheaper than the 13900K by itself

I've been getting bored so been pricing out various Raptor Lake and Zen 4 builds but the premium just doesn't seem worth it to me. The only thing that comes close is buying a cheap DDR4 board + 13600K and using an existing memory kit - but then you're left without an upgrade path.

Seems to me anyone with an AM4 board that needs to scratch the upgrade itch has cheap 5800X3D and 5900X upgrades available.

Me? I'll keep waiting for 7800X3D (and lower latency DDR5-6000).

 

[Kaluan]

Looks like we have a 13900K vs 5800x3d 50 game test up from TPU as well:

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Core i9-13900K vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review

Intel's new 13900K offers amazing gaming performance, thanks to improvements to caches, IPC and higher operating frequencies. But is that enough to beat the 3DV Cache-powered AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D? What about platform cost?

www.techpowerup.com

Broadly speaking its a wash between the two with the 13900K performing incredibly well in a handful of games and only marginally better in the rest. DMC is really pulling the score in AMD's favor on 1080P.

By the time you get to 4K there is nearly no difference between the two.

Just a hunch, but if we'd see this retested w/ the upcoming RX 7900 XTX, I'm almost sure the difference would be even more in the "margin of error" territory.

Ryzen typically performs better paired w/ Radeon than GeForce in vs Intel tests.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Being that close to the 13900K without factoring racing and flight sims, is damned impressive.

 

[KompuKare]

Somewhat closely related, PCGH did a perf/watt article:

CPU-Stromverbrauch 2024: PCGH-Effizienz-Index für Prozessoren, Fps pro Watt und mehr [März]

Auf Seite 2 des Artikels CPU-Verbrauch 2024 schauen wir uns die durchschnittliche Leistungsaufnahme aller von uns getesteten AMD- und Intel-Prozessoren im Detail an. Wir erläutern zudem, welche Hardware wir für die Tests verwenden.

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Gaming:

and for those who prefer that inverted

Spoiler: and FPS per watt

And Apps:

While the 5800X3D isn't the most efficient due to the 5600, it's near the top, is easy to configure: cheapish board, cheapish DDR4-3200/3600 and you're good to go.