zoning laws: 20' setback distance from my property line....

OutHouse

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I want to build a garage, in fact put a second story on it for storage/music room for the kids to practice their horns and drums. So in talking with the town manager the setback distance is from my property line and its fricken 20 feet! The thing is there is 20' feet of DIRT from my fence out to the road and i want to build right on my property line and make the driveway out to the road.

so now if i really want to do this i have to make a package by Dec 17th board of adjustments meeting and have all drawing of the garage, my property and all buildings on my property. Plus pay 50 bucks for the administrative cost for a public hearing and all related publications. The package has to explain why its a hardship and the board had to approve said hardship before i can build.

It just chaps my ass that the town can tell me i can only build 20 feet away from my property line. its my property and not a fucking easement.


c. A variance may be granted by the board of adjustment by a concurring vote of at least three (3) members if it concludes that strict enforcement of this chapter would result in practical diffi¬culties or unnecessary hardships for the applicant and that, by granting the vari¬ance, the spirit of this chapter will be observed, public safety and welfare secured and substantial justice done. It may reach these conclusions if it finds that:
i. If the applicant complies strictly with the provisions of this chapter, the result is that there is no reasonable use of the property;
ii. The hardship of which the applicant complains is one (1) suffered by the applicant alone and not by neighbors or the general public;
iii. The hardship relates to the applicant's land, rather than personal circumstances;
iv. The hardship is unique and unusual, or nearly so, rather than one (1) shared by many surrounding properties;
v. The hardship is not the result of the applicant's own actions;
vi. The variance requested is the minimum that will afford relief and the least possible modification of the requirements of this chapter;
vii. The variance will neither result in the extension of a noncon¬forming situation in violation of


Section 16-67, nor authorize the ini¬tiation of a nonconforming use of land, nor conflict with the goals and policies of the comprehensive plan and the Land Development Code;
 
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highland145

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I'm with you. Historic commission threatened to have me locked up if I continued with a fence without their permission. Progressive governance.
 

techs

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But if a night club or a truck stop wanted to build next door to you, I guess zoning laws would be ok.
 

Eli

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Is this HOA stuff or council?

I'm assuming it's just local building code.

That would piss me off too. It's my property.. If I want to build something within a millimeter of my property line, what the fuck is the problem with that?

What is the reasoning behind such a law? D:
 

Rhezuss

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But if a night club or a truck stop wanted to build next door to you, I guess zoning laws would be ok.

That.

Zoning laws are there for a reason even though some seem ridiculous, they're there to make sure every citizen can enjoy it's backyard without having a monstrosity build 1 inch from the properties line (OutHouse, i'm not saying that your project is a monstrosity, just wanted to clear that up).
 
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OutHouse

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I'm assuming it's just local building code.

That would piss me off too. It's my property.. If I want to build something within a millimeter of my property line, what the fuck is the problem with that?

What is the reasoning behind such a law? D:

no its not a bulding code, that covers the building construction not its location on the property.

every town/city had a min setback distance. it used to be from the road but many many many local governments has changed that to from your property line.

i bet your town has it as well, go take a look at the regulations.
 

mugs

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I want to build a garage, in fact put a second story on it for storage/music room for the kids to practice their horns and drums. So in talking with the town manager the setback distance is from my property line and its fricken 20 feet! The thing is there is 20' feet of DIRT from my fence out to the road and i want to build right on my property line and make the driveway out to the road.

It's not clear here whether your fence is on your property line or 20 feet away from your property line. Is your property line at the road or 20 feet away from the road?

If your property line is at the road, are you saying you want to build your garage right up against the road? If your property line is 20 feet away from the road, whose property is your driveway going to cross to get to the road?
 

OutHouse

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That.

Zoning laws are there for a reason even though some seem ridiculous, they're there to make sure every citizen can enjoy it's courtyard without having a monstrosity build 1 inch from the properties line (OutHouse, i'm not saying that your project is a monstrosity, just wanted to clear that up).

??? every citizen to enjoy its courtyard? what does that mean? my backyard is not the towns courtyard.
 

spidey07

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That sucks. This seems like one of those times the "better to beg for forgiveness than ask permission" approach.
 

OutHouse

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It's not clear here whether your fence is on your property line or 20 feet away from your property line. Is your property line at the road or 20 feet away from the road?

If your property line is at the road, are you saying you want to build your garage right up against the road? If your property line is 20 feet away from the road, whose property is your driveway going to cross to get to the road?

my fence was built 1 inch inside the property pins. so the fence is on my property line.

ok imagine this.

stand on the curb and walk 20 feet and you will stop at my fence. that 20' between the road and my fence is town property i understand that.

now from my fence walk another 20' into my back yard, that is the min distance i can be from MY property line (the fence) i can build without getting a variance.

i want the garage door to be on the prperty line and i would pave out to the road. the town owns the dirt between my fence and the road and every person in town has permission from the town to "improve" that strip of dirt like concrete it, asphalt it, rock it....
 
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Rhezuss

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In fact there is 2 types of construction, each with it's own setbacks:

1- There's the principal building/construction with it's associated usage (residential, commercial, industrial, etc).
2- Then you have your secondary building/construction which serves as an addition to the principal building (garage, cabin/shed, etc)

The principal building as greater setbacks to make sure you don't have a windows right next to your neighbor's patio, things like that. Peaceful use of your property.

The secondary building can be build closer to your property lines because they're there to accomodate your principal usage.
 

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That sucks. This seems like one of those times the "better to beg for forgiveness than ask permission" approach.

There is no "forgiveness" when it comes to government ordinances. At best they'll fine you. Worse yet, they'll make you tear it down and build it in the right place. Worst case they'll make you tear it down...rebuild...and still fine you.
 

techs

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Right up to the property line, too, no less :D

I'm assuming it's just local building code.

That would piss me off too. It's my property.. If I want to build something within a millimeter of my property line, what the fuck is the problem with that?

What is the reasoning behind such a law? D:

take it to the extreme, that is always such a good way to make a point.

Yah. My point was zoning laws are not bad. Bad zoning laws are.
 

OutHouse

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In fact there is 2 types of construction, each with it's own setbacks:

1- There's the principal building/construction with it's associated usage (residential, commercial, industrial, etc).
2- Then you have your secondary building/construction which serves as an addition to the principal building (garage, cabin/shed, etc)

The principal building as greater setbacks to make sure you don't have a windows right next to your neighbor's patio, things like that. Peaceful use of your property.

The secondary building can be build closer to your property lines because they're there to accomodate your principal usage.

hummm thats interesting. none of the the regs i have read define principal and secondary. its all the same.
 

Rhezuss

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hummm thats interesting. none of the the regs i have read define principal and secondary. its all the same.

From what I recall, a garage is a secondary building since it's not used to live in there (sleep, cook, wash, live, etc). Adding your second floor on your garage and using it as a studio could change the use of your garage since now you can use it to "live" in there instead of just storing lawn equipment and a car.