ZOMG Itunes declared "illegal" in Norway...

magomago

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YEs I did a search for "itunes" here and in GH:


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/1fc40360-abe9-11db-a0ed-0000779e2340.html

Apple was dealt a blow in Europe on Wednesday when Norway?s powerful consumer ombudsman ruled that its iTunes online music store was illegal because it did not allow downloaded songs to be played on rival technology companies? devices.

The decision is the first time any jurisdiction has concluded iTunes breaks its consumer protection laws and could prompt other European countries to review the situation.

The ombudsman has set a deadline of October 1 for the Apple to make its codes available to other technology companies so that it abides by Norwegian law. If it fails to do so, it will be taken to court, fined and eventually closed down.

Apple, whose iTunes dominates the legal download market, has its proprietory system Fairplay. Songs and tunes downloaded through iTunes are designed to work with Apple?s MP3 player iPod, but cannot be played on rival devices.

Torgeir Waterhouse, senior adviser to the Norwegian Consumer Council, who originally launched the complaint, told the Financial Times he was in negotiations with pan-European consumer groups to present a unified position on iTunes? legality.

Sweden and Finland have already backed Norway?s stance, but have yet to take action, and Mr Waterhouse said the campaign was joined on Wednesday by Germany and France.

?We are satisfied the Federation of German Consumer Organisations and the French UFC Que Choisir are addressing this important issue. It means that iTunes is now being told by more than 100m European consumers to offer them a fair deal,? he said.

Apple signalled that it would fight efforts in Norway and elsewhere in Europe to prise open the iTunes service, though it struck a more conciliatory tone than early last year when it attacked a proposed French law as ?state-sponsored piracy?.

?Apple is aware of the concerns we?ve heard from several agencies in Europe, and we?re looking forward to resolving these issues as quickly as possible,? it said in a statement. ?Apple hopes that European governments will encourage a competitive environment that lets innovation thrive, protects intellectual property and allows consumers to decide which products are successful.?

The development comes as competition in the multi-billion dollar global market for digital music is intensifying.

Nokia, the world?s largest mobile phone maker, has set up a rival to iTunes, while Microsoft, the US technology company, has also launched its own digital music player called Zune to compete with the iPod.

However, the lack of interoperability has been blamed by some consumers and technology companies for hampering the growth of the legal digital music download market.

Record companies insist that the issue of interoperability is one for technology companies, and stress the importance of digital rights management in order to prevent piracy.

The IFPI, which represents record groups around the world, said that it ?thoroughly supported interoperability, but wanted a market solution rather than one imposed by authorities?.

That seems like an interesting idea - that growth of the legal download market is limited due to the lack of interoperability....

I want to naturally say "Its Apple's Service, and its Apple's product....TOUGH LUCK", but I can understand the desire of having something work on all platforms.
I personally am neutral since I can understand the benefits of both sides...so I really don't have an opinion. Thoughts anyone?

And i'm putting this is OT b/c I'm not interested in comments like "OMG teh suckOzzz! Bush's fault!"
 

ultimatebob

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Good for Norway. Technology format monopolies are bad, no matter what company owns them.
 

theNEOone

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well, seems like a pretty valid argument to me.....you can play DVD's on any DVD player, or watch cable TV on any TV set you buy....why should music be any different?


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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Good for Norway. Technology format monopolies are bad, no matter what company owns them.

:roll:

Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?
 

Jeff7

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I was expecting it to be something like, RIAA declares Norwegian market too open, RIAA not getting full share of profits.

Instead, it's declared illegal because it isn't open enough. Cool.
Imagine that, a place where consumers appear to have some sway in government policy.


Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?
It worked for Betamax. :D
 

AgentJean

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Originally posted by: Kreon
wow...

What can I say, Europe just owned Apple!

France tried to force Apple to release the DRM for itunes.
Apple threaten a total pull out of france. France in a traditional French war tactic surrendered.

It's only a matter of time till Apple tells Norway to go frack themself with a Frog.
 

Imported

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Originally posted by: AgentJean
Originally posted by: Kreon
wow...

What can I say, Europe just owned Apple!

France tried to force Apple to release the DRM for itunes.
Apple threaten a total pull out of france. France in a traditional French war tactic surrendered.

:D
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Good for Norway. Technology format monopolies are bad, no matter what company owns them.

:roll:

Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?



If you don't like the product...don't buy it.



More thought police....
 

GTaudiophile

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I see...this is how Europeans will attempt to destroy brilliant American ideas!

Not fair since they didn't develop it...so they attempt the legal means.
 

AgentJean

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
I was expecting it to be something like, RIAA declares Norwegian market too open, RIAA not getting full share of profits.

Instead, it's declared illegal because it isn't open enough. Cool.
Imagine that, a place where consumers appear to have some sway in government policy.


Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?
It worked for Betamax. :D

Betamax was doomed because Sony wanted nothing to do with the Porn industry back then.

Yes, it is because of Porn that we have the internet and VHS tapes. It will also be the reason why HD-DVD kills off Blu-ray.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Good for Norway. Technology format monopolies are bad, no matter what company owns them.

:roll:

Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?

You, as consumer, have the opportunity to buy or not buy these proprietary formats.
 

aleckz

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Originally posted by: AgentJean
Originally posted by: Jeff7
I was expecting it to be something like, RIAA declares Norwegian market too open, RIAA not getting full share of profits.

Instead, it's declared illegal because it isn't open enough. Cool.
Imagine that, a place where consumers appear to have some sway in government policy.


Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?
It worked for Betamax. :D

Betamax was doomed because Sony wanted nothing to do with the Porn industry back then.

Yes, it is because of Porn that we have the internet and VHS tapes. It will also be the reason why HD-DVD kills off Blu-ray.

I like this mans thinking.

Good thing I didn't buy a PS3
 

pennylane

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Originally posted by: aleckz
Originally posted by: AgentJean
Originally posted by: Jeff7
I was expecting it to be something like, RIAA declares Norwegian market too open, RIAA not getting full share of profits.

Instead, it's declared illegal because it isn't open enough. Cool.
Imagine that, a place where consumers appear to have some sway in government policy.


Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?
It worked for Betamax. :D

Betamax was doomed because Sony wanted nothing to do with the Porn industry back then.

Yes, it is because of Porn that we have the internet and VHS tapes. It will also be the reason why HD-DVD kills off Blu-ray.

I like this mans thinking.

Good thing I didn't buy a PS3

Porn won't be as big a factor this time. Back then people needed one of the formats to get the porn. Nowadays people can just log onto the internet and be happily anonymous.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Good for Norway. Technology format monopolies are bad, no matter what company owns them.

:roll:

Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?



If you don't like the product...don't buy it.



More thought police....

Thought Police? You have your tin foil hat maladjusted today?
 

CanOWorms

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Perhaps this case is justified, but we will be seeing more and more actions of economic nationalism from European countries against foreign companies.
 

mrSHEiK124

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They should sue the manufacturers of diesel engines for not allowing gasoline to be used in their cars :roll:
What a crock of sh!t, they gonna sue countries that run on a different power standard for not allowing their products to be used elsewhere?
 

ultimatebob

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Good for Norway. Technology format monopolies are bad, no matter what company owns them.

:roll:

Why the rolling eyes? Do you like proprietary formats that lock you into certain hardware/software?



If you don't like the product...don't buy it.


More thought police....

I guess that I should be glad that Microsoft didn't design Word not to allow .DOC files to be opened by any other word processor. With your thinking, you would probably support that decision as well! Sure, just use another word processor, right? That's kind of hard to do when 90% of the world uses Word, and the other word processors can't open and edit any files that they created!

Sounds crazy, right? Well, guess what... you have same problem here. Apple has a near monopoly on the MP3 player market right now, and they're locking competitors out of iTunes to keep them from stealing their customers. If I buy a Sandisk or Creative player, I can't use my iTunes music collection on it without using a bunch of hacks to remove the DRM and wrecking the sound quality in the process.

When Microsoft tried pulling stunts like this with Windows (and IE, and Windows Media Player), they got sued as well and people were cheering the government on for doing so! I don't understand why every thinks this is OK just because Apple is the one who's abusing their monopoly power now.