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Genx87

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Originally posted by: mshan
Bill Clinton is scheduled to meet with Obama in NYC on 9/11.

Seems like a brilliant tactic by both Obama and Clinton, because:
- it will overshadow the bipartisan visit of McLame and Obama to ground zero
- Bill Clinton now has the opportunity to ride in and appear to "save" the Democratic Party, restoring the luster to his reputation that he lost during the Democratic Primaries

When the dust clears from all of these convention bounces, I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama consistently back up by at least one new additional point nationally (say 3%, vs prior 2% baseline) because simply because he will bring a lot of fickle Hillary supporters back to the party base.
You think Bill Clinton overshadowing Obama is a good tactic? Little wonder the democrats have seen their double digit lead dissolve.
 

Stoneburner

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: mshan
Bill Clinton is scheduled to meet with Obama in NYC on 9/11.

Seems like a brilliant tactic by both Obama and Clinton, because:
- it will overshadow the bipartisan visit of McLame and Obama to ground zero
- Bill Clinton now has the opportunity to ride in and appear to "save" the Democratic Party, restoring the luster to his reputation that he lost during the Democratic Primaries

When the dust clears from all of these convention bounces, I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama consistently back up by at least one new additional point nationally (say 3%, vs prior 2% baseline) because simply because he will bring a lot of fickle Hillary supporters back to the party base.
You think Bill Clinton overshadowing Obama is a good tactic? Little wonder the democrats have seen their double digit lead dissolve.
What double digit lead and Palin is overshadowing McCain.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: mshan
Bill Clinton is scheduled to meet with Obama in NYC on 9/11.

Seems like a brilliant tactic by both Obama and Clinton, because:
- it will overshadow the bipartisan visit of McLame and Obama to ground zero
- Bill Clinton now has the opportunity to ride in and appear to "save" the Democratic Party, restoring the luster to his reputation that he lost during the Democratic Primaries

When the dust clears from all of these convention bounces, I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama consistently back up by at least one new additional point nationally (say 3%, vs prior 2% baseline) because simply because he will bring a lot of fickle Hillary supporters back to the party base.
You think Bill Clinton overshadowing Obama is a good tactic? Little wonder the democrats have seen their double digit lead dissolve.
What double digit lead and Palin is overshadowing McCain.
June? Palin is on the ticket, Bill Clinton is not.
 

winnar111

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Michigan back to a tie.


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...080908/NEWS15/80908052

Public Policy Polling of Raleigh North Carolina polled 1,147 likely Michigan voters over the weekend and found Obama holds a 47-46 edge over Republican nominee John McCain ? well within the margin of error of three percentage points.

Is it a bounce from the convention or McCain?s surprising pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate? From the data, it appears that the Palin pick is clearly helping McCain in the race against Obama in Michigan ? a state the Republican hopes to pick up in order to beat the Democrat.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Michigan back to a tie.


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...080908/NEWS15/80908052

Public Policy Polling of Raleigh North Carolina polled 1,147 likely Michigan voters over the weekend and found Obama holds a 47-46 edge over Republican nominee John McCain ? well within the margin of error of three percentage points.

Is it a bounce from the convention or McCain?s surprising pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate? From the data, it appears that the Palin pick is clearly helping McCain in the race against Obama in Michigan ? a state the Republican hopes to pick up in order to beat the Democrat.
At this point and time Palin as the VP pick is definitely helping McCain as he by himself doesn't give many people reason to be enthused about his campaign. Without her he's dead.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
Michigan back to a tie.


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...080908/NEWS15/80908052

Public Policy Polling of Raleigh North Carolina polled 1,147 likely Michigan voters over the weekend and found Obama holds a 47-46 edge over Republican nominee John McCain ? well within the margin of error of three percentage points.

Is it a bounce from the convention or McCain?s surprising pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate? From the data, it appears that the Palin pick is clearly helping McCain in the race against Obama in Michigan ? a state the Republican hopes to pick up in order to beat the Democrat.
At this point and time Palin as the VP pick is definitely helping McCain as he by himself doesn't give many people reason to be enthused about his campaign. Without her he's dead.
Absolutely. It's also helping that Obama is another lockstep northeastern liberal.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
Michigan back to a tie.


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...080908/NEWS15/80908052

Public Policy Polling of Raleigh North Carolina polled 1,147 likely Michigan voters over the weekend and found Obama holds a 47-46 edge over Republican nominee John McCain ? well within the margin of error of three percentage points.

Is it a bounce from the convention or McCain?s surprising pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate? From the data, it appears that the Palin pick is clearly helping McCain in the race against Obama in Michigan ? a state the Republican hopes to pick up in order to beat the Democrat.
At this point and time Palin as the VP pick is definitely helping McCain as he by himself doesn't give many people reason to be enthused about his campaign. Without her he's dead.
Absolutely. It's also helping that Obama is another lockstep northeastern liberal.
From the Midwest. Let's see if/when the sheen comes off of Palin whether she'll still be able to carry that old goat.

 

jonks

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
Michigan back to a tie.


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...080908/NEWS15/80908052

Public Policy Polling of Raleigh North Carolina polled 1,147 likely Michigan voters over the weekend and found Obama holds a 47-46 edge over Republican nominee John McCain ? well within the margin of error of three percentage points.

Is it a bounce from the convention or McCain?s surprising pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate? From the data, it appears that the Palin pick is clearly helping McCain in the race against Obama in Michigan ? a state the Republican hopes to pick up in order to beat the Democrat.
At this point and time Palin as the VP pick is definitely helping McCain as he by himself doesn't give many people reason to be enthused about his campaign. Without her he's dead.
Absolutely. It's also helping that Obama is another lockstep northeastern liberal.
From the Midwest. Let's see if/when the sheen comes off of Palin whether she'll still be able to carry that old goat.
So he can't find Illinois on a map. You know why? Because we as U.S. Americans don't have maps, such as.
 

Stoneburner

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PPP has never provided more than 3 point lead for obama in Michigan. It's probably a bit higher. I hardly see that as a positive result for McCain, especially since he's 2-3 points ahead nationally.

Also, the Gallup likely voter poll is an aberration. Gallup tracking hs plus 5, ras has plus 1, cnn has it tied, san diego hotline has it tied. Overall, this probably means obama is down 4 or 5 points in Ohio, considering how they typically move with national polls. In the end, I don't think Michigan is going to swing for the republicans.

 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
Michigan back to a tie.


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...080908/NEWS15/80908052

Public Policy Polling of Raleigh North Carolina polled 1,147 likely Michigan voters over the weekend and found Obama holds a 47-46 edge over Republican nominee John McCain ? well within the margin of error of three percentage points.

Is it a bounce from the convention or McCain?s surprising pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate? From the data, it appears that the Palin pick is clearly helping McCain in the race against Obama in Michigan ? a state the Republican hopes to pick up in order to beat the Democrat.
At this point and time Palin as the VP pick is definitely helping McCain as he by himself doesn't give many people reason to be enthused about his campaign. Without her he's dead.
Absolutely. It's also helping that Obama is another lockstep northeastern liberal.
From the Midwest. Let's see if/when the sheen comes off of Palin whether she'll still be able to carry that old goat.
He might have moved to Chicago at 1 point, but he got his education in Massachusetts, took his values from Massachusetts, and votes identically to the Senators from Massachusetts.

You're right, we will see.
 

chuckywang

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LOL, you really think the American people will vote in 4 years of McBush? That's worked well the last 8 years.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
LOL, you really think the American people will vote in 4 years of McBush? That's worked well the last 8 years.
Never over estimate the intelligence of the American Voter, they did elect Bush for a second term after all.
 

chuckywang

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
LOL, you really think the American people will vote in 4 years of McBush? That's worked well the last 8 years.
Never over estimate the intelligence of the American Voter, they did elect Bush for a second term after all.
true. :(
 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: winnar111
Michigan back to a tie.


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...080908/NEWS15/80908052

Public Policy Polling of Raleigh North Carolina polled 1,147 likely Michigan voters over the weekend and found Obama holds a 47-46 edge over Republican nominee John McCain ? well within the margin of error of three percentage points.

Is it a bounce from the convention or McCain?s surprising pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate? From the data, it appears that the Palin pick is clearly helping McCain in the race against Obama in Michigan ? a state the Republican hopes to pick up in order to beat the Democrat.
At this point and time Palin as the VP pick is definitely helping McCain as he by himself doesn't give many people reason to be enthused about his campaign. Without her he's dead.
Absolutely. It's also helping that Obama is another lockstep northeastern liberal.
From the Midwest. Let's see if/when the sheen comes off of Palin whether she'll still be able to carry that old goat.
He might have moved to Chicago at 1 point, but he got his education in Massachusetts, took his values from Massachusetts, and votes identically to the Senators from Massachusetts.

You're right, we will see.
Michigan? The state that went for Jesse Jackson? The state that has been in a one state recession for 6+ years? When the unions negotiated having election day off every year I thought they sewed up my state until the end of time.

It reminds me of Angelo Dundee's imploring Sugar Ray Leonard, ?Nine minutes left, you?re blowin? it son, you?re blowin? it!?

 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
LOL, you really think the American people will vote in 4 years of McBush? That's worked well the last 8 years.
Never over estimate the intelligence of the American Voter, they did elect Bush for a second term after all.
true. :(
We will get who we deserve....

 

Stoneburner

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May 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
LOL, you really think the American people will vote in 4 years of McBush? That's worked well the last 8 years.
Never over estimate the intelligence of the American Voter, they did elect Bush for a second term after all.
true. :(
We will get who we deserve....
Lyndon Larouche?
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: chuckywang
LOL, you really think the American people will vote in 4 years of McBush? That's worked well the last 8 years.
Never over estimate the intelligence of the American Voter, they did elect Bush for a second term after all.
true. :(
We will get who we deserve....
Lyndon Larouche?
Close....Obama.

 

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