Sounds more like a patriotic move than a common sense, but hey, you are free to pick what you like and support your local tech. Just don't expect people to be jumping on your bandwagon.I have VIA / Centaur processor and they are enough me for my daily office work, multimedia. Why wouldn't I buy a Zhaoxin / Centaur processor if it would be more powerful than my VIA Processor. This is called competition and especially free choice.
It is an alterntive x86 processor, it is interesting to many CPU enthusiast to follow the progress.If its enough for you fine, but I fail to see why you keep pushing it here, when its its NOT fine for the rest of the world. And it has no competition. You can buy older AMD/Intel processors for $5 on ebay. And they are still faster.
AMD in the days of AMD FX processors sounded more like a patriotic move?Sounds more like a patriotic move than a common sense, but hey, you are free to pick what you like and support your local tech. Just don't expect people to be jumping on your bandwagon.
Patriotic for whom? Germany? The UAE?AMD in the days of AMD FX processors sounded more like a patriotic move?
I agree more competition is good and interesting, nothing to be angry about. Thanks for the posts, what I would be worried about most is chineese spies uehehe but I don't do much exciting things to be spied on.The only thing that matters is that they replace Intel and AMD processors.
I think the point is just the opposite. It's an alternate x86 choice without the current backdoors, meant for government computers in China. This might make them more secure to international hacking attempts. It will at least take significant resources from anyone desiring to find vulnerabilities of these new chips to research vulnerabilities.I agree more competition is good and interesting, nothing to be angry about. Thanks for the posts, what I would be worried about most is chineese spies uehehe but I don't do much exciting things to be spied on.
It isn't really a first-gen product though.As a first gen produdct, i think they will do the job, even though performance isn't anything to write home about.
The abysmal performance is a feature to slow down the hackers?I think the point is just the opposite. It's an alternate x86 choice without the current backdoors, meant for government computers in China. This might make them more secure to international hacking attempts. It will at least take significant resources from anyone desiring to find vulnerabilities of these new chips to research vulnerabilities.
At the end of the day, you are choosing between Chinese backdoors and American backdoors. Both chips will be compromised. I would personally choose the American backdoors, as for all of their flaws, I trust the US government more than the Chinese Communist Party.I think the point is just the opposite. It's an alternate x86 choice without the current backdoors, meant for government computers in China. This might make them more secure to international hacking attempts. It will at least take significant resources from anyone desiring to find vulnerabilities of these new chips to research vulnerabilities.
Most productivity applications do not take a huge amount of CPU resources. As a first gen produdct, i think they will do the job, even though performance isn't anything to write home about.
I wonder if it will end up being a more secure route, vs say Piledriver CPUs and APUs (which are the last gen without the "security" coprocessors introduced afterwards (Kaveri and newer).
you know you sound silly, they said its for Chinese government computers, you think china should choose usa designed chips over the ones they design themselves because they trust usa more then they trust themselves? lulz thanks for the laughs.At the end of the day, you are choosing between Chinese backdoors and American backdoors. Both chips will be compromised. I would personally choose the American backdoors, as for all of their flaws, I trust the US government more than the Chinese Communist Party.
If that is really the only potential buyer, the Chinese government is not locked in to x86 and can choose Huawei instead.they said its for Chinese government computers
No. As I said on the last page:you know you sound silly, they said its for Chinese government computers, you think china should choose usa designed chips over the ones they design themselves because they trust usa more then they trust themselves? lulz thanks for the laughs.
It makes sense for the Chinese market, because they want Chinese backdoors instead of American ones. For literally any non-Chinese customers, it doesn't make sense.And I don't think anyone outside the PROC would seriously consider these chips. They are just awful compared to Intel and AMD.
If Zhaoxin had the same talent as the Apple design squad, they could catch up in 5-7 years in at least one general market category (server/workstation, desktop, mobile). It's clear they don't have talent on that level. Or at least they didn't 7 years ago.I think what people are trying to say is the alternative CPU scene is a little frustrating to follow. In this case, barring an all-star dev team full of former AMD, Intel and Qualcomm engineers, Zhaoxin/VIA will probably always be behind the likes of Intel and AMD.
So, not only is it slower than a quad core, its WAY overpriced $617 ?? I could get a 3900x motherboard and cheap memory for that !Another review from US
Well it's not just for the benefit of Chinese customers. It's practically meant for all american enemies like Iran or Russia but it could also work well for other arrangements like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and most African or Southeast Asian nations ...It makes sense for the Chinese market, because they want Chinese backdoors instead of American ones. For literally any non-Chinese customers, it doesn't make sense.
Possibly. SMIC has a new "not exactly 7nm" process coming that should significantly outperform their 14nm process which is, I guess, a ripoff of Samsung's 14LPE? Right now Zhaoxin is using TSMC 16nm.They could manufacture it at SMIC and have it subsidized by the chinese government.
I doubt the Saudis would waste their time on anything that slow. Plus really, if they are worried about hardware backdoors, why would they buy anything from Zhaoxin?It's practically meant for all american enemies like Iran or Russia but it could also work well for other arrangements like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and most African or Southeast Asian nations ...
Well, Saudi Arabia embraced Huawei for their 5G networks so there is absolutely a somewhat realistic chance of Zhaoxin gaining ground later in the decade and especially with the worsening political relationship between Saudi Arabia and America. Democrats absolutely despise Riyadh and Republicans only wanted to exploit their oil reserves but seeing as how they now have shale gas there's no point in an alliance ...I doubt the Saudis would waste their time on anything that slow. Plus really, if they are worried about hardware backdoors, why would they buy anything from Zhaoxin?
The Russians are pushing Elbrus. Or trying to anyway. We'll see how far that goes.
Iran. Saudi Arabia is effectively in a shooting war with them (and their proxies in Yemen). I'm a little surprised they let in Huawei, and it may bite them in the rear later on.there's no point in an alliance ...
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