Zero Punctuation guy (Yahtzee) perfectly describes how I feel about Halo 3

[Eeezee]

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In summary, it's an overhyped shooter that actually only ranks as average when compared to other FPS games.

 

[Thraxen]

OK? That review is 5 months old... did you just now find out about Yahtzee or something?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
OK? That review is 5 months old... did you just now find out about Yahtzee or something?

No, but I hadn't seen that particular review. What, am I supposed to watch every new video like some sort of Maddox F5-mashing fanboy? I probably still haven't seen half of them

Also, I have my doubts that everyone on ATCG has seen that particular review

 

[RandomFool]

I've seen it before but I last weekend I finally sat down and played about 4-5 hours of the SP campaign. The review really is dead on. I'm had fun playing it but wasn't amazed. It did teach me how to use an controller to play an FPS though.

 

[blurredvision]

Ahh yes, we come back to this again. It's overrated, yet a million people still play it every single day online 6 months after it's release. Yep, sounds overrated to me!

 

[A5]

OMG, you're so awesome because you don't like something other people like! :roll: It's not anything revolutionary, but it wasn't trying to be - it was just a refinement of Halo 1&2. It also helped that it came out before a lot of the other amazing games last fall...I think it's review scores would have been a little lower if it came out after CoD4 since that game really raised the bar for console FPS (this is also why Halo 3 didn't show up on that many GotY lists).

 

[mugs]

He admits in his review that he doesn't care about multiplayer, which is what everyone else in the world who plays Halo DOES care about. I played the single player campaign once, and don't even care enough to go back and get all the skulls, but I'm nearing 1000 games in multiplayer.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: A5
OMG, you're so awesome because you don't like something other people like! :roll: It's not anything revolutionary, but it wasn't trying to be - it was just a refinement of Halo 1&2. It also helped that it came out before a lot of the other amazing games last fall...I think it's review scores would have been a little lower if it came out after CoD4 since that game really raised the bar for console FPS (this is also why Halo 3 didn't show up on that many GotY lists).

Two things. First, I'm pretty sure that BV was being a bit sarcastic... hence his comment about millions still playing H3 long after its release. I could be wrong on this point though, because it was weirdly worded . Second, the main reason H3 didn't show up on GOTY lists, was because of Bioshock, not COD4 (even though I prefer COD4 to Bioshock, all the pro-reviewers seem to adore Bioshock)

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: A5
OMG, you're so awesome because you don't like something other people like! :roll: It's not anything revolutionary, but it wasn't trying to be - it was just a refinement of Halo 1&2. It also helped that it came out before a lot of the other amazing games last fall...I think it's review scores would have been a little lower if it came out after CoD4 since that game really raised the bar for console FPS (this is also why Halo 3 didn't show up on that many GotY lists).

Two things. First, I'm pretty sure that BV was being a bit sarcastic... hence his comment about millions still playing H3 long after its release. I could be wrong on this point though, because it was weirdly worded . Second, the main reason H3 didn't show up on GOTY lists, was because of Bioshock, not COD4 (even though I prefer COD4 to Bioshock, all the pro-reviewers seem to adore Bioshock)

Sarcastic? ME? No way. I'm never sarcastic.

Oh, wait, maybe I was being sarcastic. I hate the term overrated when a million people still play the game every day.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: A GAME CANNOT BE OVERRATED WHEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PLAY IT EVERY MONTH. To the OP and anyone else who says Halo 3 is overrated, just because you don't like it doesn't mean the rest of the world is blinded by marketing hype or whatever you blame it's popularity on. Everybody playing the game online are not suffering through it day in and day out, bitching because they are being made to play it and it sucks. They enjoy it, I think the numbers speak for themselves.

With that said, I think I'm going to go into the living room and play some PS3.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: A5
OMG, you're so awesome because you don't like something other people like! :roll: It's not anything revolutionary, but it wasn't trying to be - it was just a refinement of Halo 1&2. It also helped that it came out before a lot of the other amazing games last fall...I think it's review scores would have been a little lower if it came out after CoD4 since that game really raised the bar for console FPS (this is also why Halo 3 didn't show up on that many GotY lists).

Two things. First, I'm pretty sure that BV was being a bit sarcastic... hence his comment about millions still playing H3 long after its release. I could be wrong on this point though, because it was weirdly worded . Second, the main reason H3 didn't show up on GOTY lists, was because of Bioshock, not COD4 (even though I prefer COD4 to Bioshock, all the pro-reviewers seem to adore Bioshock)

Sarcastic? ME? No way. I'm never sarcastic.

Oh, wait, maybe I was being sarcastic. I hate the term overrated when a million people still play the game every day.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: A GAME CANNOT BE OVERRATED WHEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PLAY IT EVERY MONTH. To the OP and anyone else who says Halo 3 is overrated, just because you don't like it doesn't mean the rest of the world is blinded by marketing hype or whatever you blame it's popularity on. Everybody playing the game online are not suffering through it day in and day out, bitching because they are being made to play it and it sucks. They enjoy it, I think the numbers speak for themselves.

With that said, I think I'm going to go into the living room and play some PS3.

That's really flawed logic you're using. A million people eat McDonalds every day, but that doesn't mean the food is good.

What you don't like is the very definition of the phrase "over hyped." Some people like to pretend that Halo 3 is the most revolutionary FPS to ever grace a console. You're obviously not one of those people, and thus you are not the kind of person that I like to describe as the "ignorant frat boy who has never played a real FPS besides Halo." Obviously Halo is a real FPS, it's just not an especially good one.

Have you ever played Halo 3 online? If you have, we should be able to agree that the temperament of average Halo player is about the same as a 14 year-old with Tourette Syndrome. Most of these kids have never played an exceptional FPS.

You can't claim that Halo is a great game just because 6 million teenagers and frat boys (and a small handful of reasonable adults) play it every day.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
That's really flawed logic you're using. A million people eat McDonalds every day, but that doesn't mean the food is good.

So you say that the millions of people eating at McDonald's are, for some reason, forcing themselves to eat crap? Your logic is flawed, my friend.

What you don't like is the very definition of the phrase "over hyped." Some people like to pretend that Halo 3 is the most revolutionary FPS to ever grace a console. You're obviously not one of those people, and thus you are not the kind of person that I like to describe as the "ignorant frat boy who has never played a real FPS besides Halo." Obviously Halo is a real FPS, it's just not an especially good one.

Why would people pretend? Some people actually think Halo is the best FPS they've played, period. What's wrong with that? This isn't communist China, people are allowed to think for themselves. You're opinion that Halo is not an especially good FPS is perfectly fine. But your one opinion does not mean that a ton of other people are wrong in what they choose to play on a daily basis.

Have you ever played Halo 3 online? If you have, we should be able to agree that the temperament of average Halo player is about the same as a 14 year-old with Tourette Syndrome. Most of these kids have never played an exceptional FPS.

Yes, I've put a lot of time into Halo online (moreso when it first came out, not in the past 3 months), and I'll disagree with you that the average temperament of a Halo player is that of a 14-year old or "frat boys". Sure, you get the girly-sounding 13-year old every few matches, but that's with any game.

You can't claim that Halo is a great game just because 6 million teenagers and frat boys (and a small handful of reasonable adults) play it every day.

I never claimed that Halo was a great game. I'm simply arguing against your (and other forum goers over the past few months) saying that Halo is "overrated". Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's overrated. It's my belief that you just simply cannot say something is overrated when millions of people still play it and love it.

 

[Eeezee]

McDonald's IS crap! Even the people who eat it admit that it's crap (with the exception of the fries of course)! Also, I guess we'll just have to disagree on the average Halo player - my experiences in online Halo matches clearly differed vastly from your own.

Why would people pretend? Some people actually think Halo is the best FPS they've played, period

That's exactly the point! They're not pretending, they just don't know any better! It IS the best FPS they've played, but that doesn't make it a great FPS. It's a mediocre FPS, but people seem to think it's great because it sells well. Halo is the best FPS ever if you haven't played a FPS since the first Quake. Mainstream game reviews have become highly suspect due to recent events (a specific reviewer getting fired for not giving an A-rating to a few high-sponsorship games comes to mind).

Blurredvision, I never said you thought it was a great game, it was a royal "you." I even specifically said that you're not the kind of person I'm talking about. The kind of person I'm talking about is the kind who wanted Halo to be GOTY. I'm talking about the kind of person who suggests that Halo has innovative story and revolutionized the FPS genre. These people are the 6 million teenagers and frat boys that I'm talking about. They don't know any better!

Halo is by very definition overrated, just as an iPod might be called overpriced. Halo is a good FPS, and while there are better, more innovative FPS games out there, some people have never tried them and prefer to say that Halo is the best FPS of all time. Thus, Halo is BY DEFINITION overrated.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
That's exactly the point! They're not pretending, they just don't know any better! It IS the best FPS they've played, but that doesn't make it a great FPS. It's a mediocre FPS, but people seem to think it's great because it sells well.

Halo is by very definition overrated, just as an iPod might be called overpriced. Halo is a good FPS, and while there are better, more innovative FPS games out there, some people have never tried them and prefer to say that Halo is the best FPS of all time. Thus, Halo is BY DEFINITION overrated.

Now you're just making assumptions. And your analogy of the iPod being called overpriced...that's apples and oranges.

I like you Eezee, I just disagree with you! IMO, one man can't make the call that a game is overrated, only the general public can. People vote with their dollar and playing time, and a LOT of people say you're wrong. That's all I'm trying to say. You can make the call that you hate it and it's the worst FPS you've ever seen, but you can't make the call that it's overrated. I'm just weird about shit like this.

 

[Thraxen]

I'm not sure the whole McDonalds analogy works anyway. McDonalds has the whole convenience thing going for it.... it's cheap, fast, and available pretty much everywhere. Basically, it's the most popular of the fast foods, but I doubt that majority of the people that eat there would claim it's the best food overall.

As for Halo, a lot of people really fell in love with the first one and then just rode that through Halo 3. The first Halo was pretty significant though, especially on consoles. And the first one did do some things that are now popular in many FPS... including PCs. For example, only being able to carry two weapons at once. Before Halo, almost every FPS allowed you to magically carry every weapon the game offered at once. Since Halo, MANY FPS limit the number of weapons and force you to pick your combination carefully. I don't know if it was the first to do that, but it definitely popularized it.

Halo 2 and 3 really didn't do much of anything that was new, but the multiplayer was still solid and people wanted to see the story through. Halo also has co-op going for it. The campaigns may have never been spectacular, but co-op adds a lot ot campains, IMO. The co-op campaigns is actually the main reason I have stuck with the series. Sure, I enjoyed playing the campaigns in games like BioShock and Crysis quite a bit, but they are loney single player affairs... made even more loney when playing them on your PC. I've also enjoyed playing Halo MP the few times I've been at a LAN party where Halo was involved, but overall I prefer faster paced MP games like the UT series.

 

[CKDragon]

Overrated? WTF do I care if other people think it's overrated?

I've played most of the top-shelf FPSes since Doom 1 for both the PC and consoles and I play Halo 3's multiplayer because I find it to be fun. Someone wants to judge me for it? OK, if it's worth your time to do that then have fun.

 

[EvilComputer92]

It may not be the best FPS on any system, but I would say it was a innovative FPS on a console. This is the game that started the FPS genre on the consoles, with the exception of goldeneye. It's control scheme, rechargable health, and two weapons idea has been implemented in so many games now.

Bioshock was good, but it was nothing compared to System Shock 2. That doesn't make it overrated, as it was still a good game.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: CKDragon
Overrated? WTF do I care if other people think it's overrated?

I've played most of the top-shelf FPSes since Doom 1 for both the PC and consoles and I play Halo 3's multiplayer because I find it to be fun. Someone wants to judge me for it? OK, if it's worth your time to do that then have fun.

You accursed McDonald's lover!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
That's really flawed logic you're using. A million people eat McDonalds every day, but that doesn't mean the food is good.

What you don't like is the very definition of the phrase "over hyped." Some people like to pretend that Halo 3 is the most revolutionary FPS to ever grace a console. You're obviously not one of those people, and thus you are not the kind of person that I like to describe as the "ignorant frat boy who has never played a real FPS besides Halo." Obviously Halo is a real FPS, it's just not an especially good one.

Have you ever played Halo 3 online? If you have, we should be able to agree that the temperament of average Halo player is about the same as a 14 year-old with Tourette Syndrome. Most of these kids have never played an exceptional FPS.

You can't claim that Halo is a great game just because 6 million teenagers and frat boys (and a small handful of reasonable adults) play it every day.

Who says Halo 3 is revolutionary? Who cares if Halo 3 is revolutionary? It's fun.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Eeezee
That's exactly the point! They're not pretending, they just don't know any better! It IS the best FPS they've played, but that doesn't make it a great FPS. It's a mediocre FPS, but people seem to think it's great because it sells well.

Halo is by very definition overrated, just as an iPod might be called overpriced. Halo is a good FPS, and while there are better, more innovative FPS games out there, some people have never tried them and prefer to say that Halo is the best FPS of all time. Thus, Halo is BY DEFINITION overrated.

Now you're just making assumptions. And your analogy of the iPod being called overpriced...that's apples and oranges.

I like you Eezee, I just disagree with you! IMO, one man can't make the call that a game is overrated, only the general public can. People vote with their dollar and playing time, and a LOT of people say you're wrong. That's all I'm trying to say. You can make the call that you hate it and it's the worst FPS you've ever seen, but you can't make the call that it's overrated. I'm just weird about shit like this.

That's fine, I just know a few people who have told me (in person) that they think Halo 3 is revolutionary. I nearly suffocated from the bile that was building up in my throat

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
That's fine, I just know a few people who have told me (in person) that they think Halo 3 is revolutionary. I nearly suffocated from the bile that was building up in my throat

Personally, I think the online features are revolutionary, but nothing else about the game is. From the integrated sharing system to the movie clips system to the snapshot system to how the game itself and bungie's website are integrated....it's beautiful stuff. It's really a system that every other game needs to strive for.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: blurredvision
Ahh yes, we come back to this again. It's overrated, yet a million people still play it every single day online 6 months after it's release. Yep, sounds overrated to me!

Well... Yahtzee specifically mentions that he didn't and had no intention of playing multiplayer or online matches, and in that case I 100% agree with him. It would be a great rental if you have no intention of playing online. There are two reasons I played Halo3. 1) I was house sitting and the people that lived there had it. 2) To play through single player and see the ending of the story.

I like Halo and Halo 2. They were great games. (note "were".) But after 2 play throughs, it really loses its value unless you play multiplayer. I didn't even know about this "skulls" deal until after I had finished playing, but it seems that short of turning up the difficulty then there isn't much to the game that wasn't done in Halo 2. Okay, you have a couple cool new vehicles, a few new weapons, but it's really the same stuff over again.

Don't get me wrong, I think that if I DID play multiplayer I'd be all about the game, but it's like sitting down for dinner, eating your mashed potatoes but throwing your steak away because you didn't want it in the first place. In the end you would have been better off cooking something else.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: blurredvision

Originally posted by: Eeezee
That's fine, I just know a few people who have told me (in person) that they think Halo 3 is revolutionary. I nearly suffocated from the bile that was building up in my throat

Personally, I think the online features are revolutionary, but nothing else about the game is. From the integrated sharing system to the movie clips system to the snapshot system to how the game itself and bungie's website are integrated....it's beautiful stuff. It's really a system that every other game needs to strive for.

Well... the ideas aren't so revolutionary, but yeah, I do think that the whole system they worked out is quite fantastic. I mean, other games have been doing similar recordings, they just don't do it very effectively.

Battlefield 2, for instance, has a very similar system in place, but no one seems to use the "Battlerecorder" for anything but clan matches because it brings servers to a crawl. The stats system is great, although the way EA presents the stats in the BF2HQ is crap. Like I said, others just don't do it very effectively.

 

[LiquidImpulse]

counterstrike..any1?

Originally posted by: Thraxen
I'm not sure the whole McDonalds analogy works anyway. McDonalds has the whole convenience thing going for it.... it's cheap, fast, and available pretty much everywhere. Basically, it's the most popular of the fast foods, but I doubt that majority of the people that eat there would claim it's the best food overall.

As for Halo, a lot of people really fell in love with the first one and then just rode that through Halo 3. The first Halo was pretty significant though, especially on consoles. And the first one did do some things that are now popular in many FPS... including PCs. For example, only being able to carry two weapons at once. Before Halo, almost every FPS allowed you to magically carry every weapon the game offered at once. Since Halo, MANY FPS limit the number of weapons and force you to pick your combination carefully. I don't know if it was the first to do that, but it definitely popularized it.

Halo 2 and 3 really didn't do much of anything that was new, but the multiplayer was still solid and people wanted to see the story through. Halo also has co-op going for it. The campaigns may have never been spectacular, but co-op adds a lot ot campains, IMO. The co-op campaigns is actually the main reason I have stuck with the series. Sure, I enjoyed playing the campaigns in games like BioShock and Crysis quite a bit, but they are loney single player affairs... made even more loney when playing them on your PC. I've also enjoyed playing Halo MP the few times I've been at a LAN party where Halo was involved, but overall I prefer faster paced MP games like the UT series.

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
McDonald's IS crap! Even the people who eat it admit that it's crap (with the exception of the fries of course)! Also, I guess we'll just have to disagree on the average Halo player - my experiences in online Halo matches clearly differed vastly from your own.

Why would people pretend? Some people actually think Halo is the best FPS they've played, period

That's exactly the point! They're not pretending, they just don't know any better! It IS the best FPS they've played, but that doesn't make it a great FPS. It's a mediocre FPS, but people seem to think it's great because it sells well. Halo is the best FPS ever if you haven't played a FPS since the first Quake. Mainstream game reviews have become highly suspect due to recent events (a specific reviewer getting fired for not giving an A-rating to a few high-sponsorship games comes to mind).

Blurredvision, I never said you thought it was a great game, it was a royal "you." I even specifically said that you're not the kind of person I'm talking about. The kind of person I'm talking about is the kind who wanted Halo to be GOTY. I'm talking about the kind of person who suggests that Halo has innovative story and revolutionized the FPS genre. These people are the 6 million teenagers and frat boys that I'm talking about. They don't know any better!

Halo is by very definition overrated, just as an iPod might be called overpriced. Halo is a good FPS, and while there are better, more innovative FPS games out there, some people have never tried them and prefer to say that Halo is the best FPS of all time. Thus, Halo is BY DEFINITION overrated.

McDonald's is good by the definition that it tastes good to those millions of people, not that it is nutritious. I don't think anyone is that stupid to argue that McDonald's is good for you.

Halo 3 is a game. It is meant to be fun, sometimes competitive. If other people (6 million), find Halo 3 to be a fun game, to be a great game even, for them, for whatever reason, who are you to tell them that their opinion is wrong? It's a subjective topic by nature.

As long as we're generalizing, shall we say that more every teenage, fratboy Halo 3 gamer, there's an elitist prick waiting to insult him?

Halo 3 is by definition nothing besides a "first person shooter". An iPod is not overpriced to someone else if they buy it. It is mediocre or overpriced to you.

 

[oogabooga]

for the record : yahtzee hates or finds something to hate in just about every FPS. He's not saying halo sucks lululu, he's just saying it's about average. This is considering just the single player, he does not care about multiplayer and doesn't care if you do. That's all he reviews on.

If you're having fun in the multiplayer who gives a damn what other people say about the game, have fun.