Discussion Zen 7 speculation thread

[DrMrLordX]

It's not 300W it's 250W PL1

And what's the expected PL2 value? 250W PL1 is VERY VERY HIGH.

and as for tiles the most optimal thing should be reducing the die size of the Tile while keeping it 8+16 having two 8-12 Coyote Cove tiles would have been worse for perf/mm2.

That's Intel's problem, isn't it? One of the many reasons why people are now turning to AMD CPUs (and why Zen7 is so hotly anticipated) is that they can sell a P core that doesn't suffer from as much area bloat.

It's not desperation but careful planning

Everything Intel does now smacks of desperation. They react rather than act, and they are hemmed in by the dysfunction of their fabs and design teams.

For a lot of users of the NVL-S 52C CPU of course. I thought that was obvious from the context.

That's going to be such a vanishingly small number of people that it's not even worth discussing them here in this Zen7 thread. That SKU is likely to be rare as hen's teeth.

AMD will go 32C/64T on DT with Zen7, so you can be pretty sure Intel will try to counter that with more than 48C/48T.

Intel is going to (eventually) roll out unified core and rethink their entire game. Maybe by then it'll be worth going wide on core count.

Is it really necessary to segregate the forum this way today?

It's a basic rule that if someone creates a thread about X, that you not derail that topic of dicussion by discussing Y instead.

It's irritating to have to filter through endless posts about Nova Lake to get to actual Zen6/Zen7 discussion. If it was just a few posts I wouldn't care, but it's non-stop. I think certain users post about Nova Lake 48 core in the Zen6/7 threads because they want to argue, and it degrades the quality of the discussion on this forum. If that makes me a snowflake, then I'm a snowflake.

You aren't alone in that.

 

[DrMrLordX]

True; however, it isn't what the customer "needs", it what they "want".

AMD users will get the 24c SKUs if they want the top-binned CCDs (gaming-oriented vcache CPUs notwithstanding, I expect single CCD 12c CPUs to dominate that space) because that's how AMD likes to improve their margins. Plenty of people already have a 9950X that don't "need" it and there will be some people with 24c/48t top-end SKUs that don't "need" them either. That's a marketing thing, that's not a meaningful metric when it comes to evaluating whether a particular SKU can be used in lieu of an HEDT CPU. There was another user that posited that there were users that really needed 48t for their software that didn't need 64t or more and I disputed that (that's a very narrow window of interest), which is how we even got on this tangent.

Eventually AMD might start selling CPUs with 16C + 8c heterogeneous tile configs as @adroc_thurston speculated/hinted. Not sure why anyone would really want the 8c asymmetrical setup, but if AMD insists on strapping it on there for margin reasons then that's what you'll get.

 

[511]

That's Intel's problem, isn't it? One of the many reasons why people are now turning to AMD CPUs (and why Zen7 is so hotly anticipated) is that they can sell a P core that doesn't suffer from as much area bloat.

I don't understand the hate for Arctic Wolf P/E is in name only

Everything Intel does now smacks of desperation. They react rather than act, and they are hemmed in by the dysfunction of their fabs and design teams.

This tells everything about you understanding NVL Planning

 

[adroc_thurston]

Eventually AMD might start selling CPUs with 16C + 8c heterogeneous tile configs as @adroc_thurston speculated/hinted.

This wouldn't even actually be heterogeneous since it's the same core with the exact same physdes.
They're just different core count dies for different target segments.

 

[eek2121]

Why so it's 24C/48T vs 48C/48T

Exactly people don't know the difference between SMT and real cores 😛

At least 32 of those cores are going to not even hit 5 ghz. 4-4.5ghz possibly, depending on power limits.

The remaining cores will likely be 5-5.5ghz, again, depending on power limit.

On the AMD side, Zen 6, and likely Zen 7, will be clocking higher. MUCH higher.

Anyway, this is a Zen 7 thread, so…

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Haven't seen this many reports by so many different members in a long time. This thread jumped the shark. Too much work to clean it up. Locked.

Someone can start a new one on the topic if they want to.

Anyone that drags Intel into the discussion again, is getting Sparta kicked down the well for 2 weeks. Add 2 weeks for each successive offense.