Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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mostwanted002

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New AGESA in BETA BIOS for ASUS X670E boards.
 

Josh128

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Looking forward to sipping some coffee whilst pouring over some 9950X PBO benchmarks this morning. A small joy in my otherwise stressful day.

Also, to kick a less-kicked dead horse, do we have any reason to believe that 9800X3D will have any more % gains in gaming over 7800X3D than 9700X has over 7700X, other than the potential extra 3%-6% tops (300Mhz) frequency they might have been able to eek out of the X3D this go round? Like, people are saying Zen 5 is mem bandwidth constrained-- any chance X3D L3 will allow the new arch to stretch its legs more than it did Zen 4?
 

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misuspita

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I always favoured AMD over Intel, but if this 65->105W is real, then they should fire all the marketing team and senior management who oversaw this dumpster fire. I hoped after getting better financials, they would be acting more proffessional, but this doesn't give me any hope for Strix Halo. I am hoping that will be my next APU but if they don't get their ...act together, then it will be an even better dumpster fire.

Can't manage to launch something for desktop? No biggie, go for server and launch for DT 3 months later when all software and hardware bits are in place. I mean this is a server CPU disguised in civilian clothes to fool the fanbase. There is no thought in this CPUs for DT, just for server

This really looks bad for them
 

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This thread should be renamed to "Zen 5 mental gymnastics"
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Mahboi

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what a pathetic launch by AMD. Seriously, learn some marketing skills AMD.
I have started believing that the marketing team at AMD knows fully how incompetent they are, and are collectively lobbying to deny anyone with competence to enter the office, lest they all get fired.
And at this point next to anyone will be more competent than them.
 

Josh128

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what a pathetic launch by AMD. Seriously, learn some marketing skills AMD.

It makes you wonder what kind of little corporate "yes man" bubble they must be under, when what I assume is a million dollar plus marketing budgeted team could have been made to look stupid by some random plebs on a tech forum. Theres no doubt in my mind that many of the enthusiasts in this very thread would have advised that, at least for DIY desktop:

1.) Lying about beating 14900K and X3D in gaming is bad.
2.) Touting average IPC that in reality is greater than gen on gen perf gains due to clock regressions is bad.
3.) Leaving significant perf on the table by not utilizing previous gen TDPs is bad.
4.) Pricing these SKUs as they were with performance as it is with previous gen price/perf being so much better and 3nm competition looming is bad.

Amateurish.
 

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I am absolutely shocked if that is true, but it should have been 105w from the get-go.
People overestimate the usefulness of AVX-512. The vast, vast, majority of consumers are never going to interact with it or care. Also, Intel isn't faltering that much in the

As one of the many guys that writes software that everyday folks like you use, I disagree.
 

Abwx

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I love how you have to keep changing the numbers and what node AMD uses in order to get the numbers to fit lmao

I provided a link that say so, so what s your point exactly ?

Doing ad hominems..?.

Numbers are right and proved by the reviews, but if you want to contradict me with actual numbers do so, i m waiting for some "explanation".

 

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With Zen 4 and Zen 5 becoming mainstream, developers have more incentive to add support for it. Especially as Intel continues to falter.
Not really. People complain that game developers require AVX2 to run newest game [Alan Wake TLOU PC port iirc] even though the instruction set is already 10 years in the market. There is a lot of software that sticks to SSE because Intel misguided politics and artificial market fragmentation.

People overestimate the usefulness of AVX-512. The vast, vast, majority of consumers are never going to interact with it or care. Also, Intel isn't faltering that much in the client market...
And we have Intel to thank for that. It's not that AVX512 is so bad, it's that Intel made it a nightmare with the fragmentation. It's like Apple would decide each M2, M2 Pro and M2 Ultra support different instruction sets... Actually Apple is in the best possible position for introducing new instruction sets, as at least through the system apps they control they can make immediate use of them.
 

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People overestimate the usefulness of AVX-512. The vast, vast, majority of consumers are never going to interact with it or care. Also, Intel isn't faltering that much in the client market...
It is completely Intel's fault. If they didn't segment it based on SKU, we might have more wider usage. AMD has proved that Intel's AVX-512 implementation is pathetic.
 

Philste

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Interesting that AMD set 9950X PPT down to 200W. I expected it to be 16-17% faster than 7950X. Now it is 9% faster in Computerbase Test with the 200W PPT. Gaming Efficiency 10% better than 14900K and worse than 14600K. Oh Boy, launching X3D next week at Gamescom is basically unavoidable now. ZEN5 isn't bad overall, just disappointing. For gaming however ist actually IS bad.