Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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yuri69

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AMD told the media that 9700X is slightly faster than 7800X3D in gaming. AMD set the expectations, not the media. The media just ran with the claims they were given, benchmarked the CPU and saw poor value.
This is one of the occasions I wish I had an insight into a one day of an "AMD marketing person". What are the strategic goals? What are the daily tasks? How are they managed? How is the public output verified with legals and engineering?

Oh well
 

CakeMonster

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CPU's are generally mostly 'good enough' these days, but then there are the issues of minimum frame rates, where upgrading to the last few generations make a difference, and edge cases like BG3 in NPC heavy locations, or Starfield in general... Yeah, mostly not a worry, but the higher end desktop users are certainly disappointed to not see Z5 helping much.
 
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Thunder 57

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This is the reason for the bad reviews, together with the uncalled claims from AMD about gaming performance. See the video below, timestamped to the relevant segment:

AMD told the media that 9700X is slightly faster than 7800X3D in gaming. AMD set the expectations, not the media. The media just ran with the claims they were given, benchmarked the CPU and saw poor value.

I've disliked AMD marketing since, probably forever? They may have been good in the K7 days. But what they have now is garbage. Verbal diarrhea.
 

misuspita

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Why people are so psyched about this, it's literally 1DPC board with bad cooling bundled in. It won't magically improve mem oc, especially on Ryzen in 1:1 mode, and you can do 7800 (2dpc) and 8000+ (1dpc) anyway
I don't know much about it but in my understanding is it enables raising freq more than DIMMs on RAM without requiring it to be soldered close to the CPU.
 

CouncilorIrissa

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CPU's are generally mostly 'good enough' these days, but then there are the issues of minimum frame rates, where upgrading to the last few generations make a difference, and edge cases like BG3 in NPC heavy locations, or Starfield in general... Yeah, mostly not a worry, but the higher end desktop users are certainly disappointed to not see Z5 helping much.
I haven't played BG3, but I have 160 hours in Starfield.
This game has no business being as resource intensive as it is, there's very little in the way of interactivity and the game is in general feels like a PS4/Xbox One game, with loading screens every 2 minutes. Nor does it require more than 60 fps to be playable or enjoyable really.

Not everything has to be solved through brute force of the HW.
 

marees

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I haven't played BG3, but I have 160 hours in Starfield.
This game has no business being as resource intensive as it is, there's very little in the way of interactivity and the game is in general feels like a PS4/Xbox One game, with loading screens every 2 minutes. Nor does it require more than 60 fps to be playable or enjoyable really.

Not everything has to be solved through brute force of the HW.
Starfield is a special case. It has some strange bottlenecks not caught in 30 fps testing in series x but exposed when running 60 fps in PC

probably. Custom engine with large register? size requirements.
 

Thunder 57

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Market-what ? Marketing ?
They might want to hire their first guy and create the marketing service lol.
They never had proper marketing. Never.

This post made me think of a classic Simpsons scene. Mr. Burns not knowing what recycling is. "Re-cyc-ling"?

Here's a short clip that shows it.

I can just picture AMD in that scenario. "Do you know anything about marketing?". "Mar-ket-ing?".
 
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Ranulf

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Starfield is a special case. It has some strange bottlenecks not caught in 30 fps testing in series x but exposed when running 60 fps in PC

probably. Custom engine with large register? size requirements.

It is the typical Bethesda game except probably worse if one buys into the idea that they farmed out a lot of it to multiple sub contractors and the rumor that they hired AMD to fix their code and thus the FSR exclusivity for that title. Regardless, the game is a mess on a number of levels.
 

DrMrLordX

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Yeah, but prebuilt desktop PCs use same CPUs as DIY.

Right but the people who buy those in bulk are corporate buyers, and their needs are very different from the DiY crowd. Plus the prebuilts often get non-X SKUs earlier than DiY.

Check this forum when price/performance increases only a little bit on a NVidia card: The tar and pitchforks come out.

But it's AMD so it's defend to the death even when it gets worse price/performance.

I've had my tar and pitchforks out for NV for years, regardless of what they release. As should everyone else.

AMD told the media that 9700X is slightly faster than 7800X3D in gaming. AMD set the expectations, not the media.

AMD's marketing sucks, to say the least. Plus it seems like reviewer conclusions have been all over the map.
 

Josh128

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From marketing ? Mmm wasn't that the janitor's doing ?
Lisa, you really need something. Buy a marketing business if you need to.
We all think marketing is easy. It is sometimes an impossible task. Make false claims and look stupid / piss off consumers / possibly get sued when product doesnt perform to the claims. Be completely honest about a non-exciting product and risk killing all buzz about the product before it even launches and give your competitor a clear target to aim for, possibly get yourself fired, etc.

Zen 5 is one thing, think about the spin and stress that marketing must have been under to make Vega, a GPU inferior in every conceivable way to Pascal yet releasing later, look good. Think about what they had to do when Bulldozer was coming out (!).
 

DrMrLordX

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@FlameTail

Any of the sites that did js benchmarks, I hate to say it but Phoronix actually showcased this pretty well. If you really want me to go digging I can later, or you can read the reviews yourself and see what I mean. I think most of the reviews had at least a few browser js tests.

edit: or you can just read the post from @CouncilorIrissa two pages ago:

 
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jdubs03

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I thought AMD told the media that the Zen5 would NOT be faster than 7800X3D in games. Like 1-2 months ago. Especially not the 9700x.
I was seeing references to about 2% better performance on average. so it wasn’t worth hyping up on a lot of different channels; but it is out there.
 

yuri69

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1). No gaming on corpo desktops. Also probably no encoding/transcoding, Photoshop, or 3d rendering. Maybe PS but that really depends on the work being done.
2). Lots of Office365
3). Lots of in-house apps which were probably cobbled together using electron
Electron for MS Teams/Slack and soon Outlook. Excel/Word/PPT are .NET apps. The rest are webapps ran via MS Edge (Chromium) - these are pretty much JS-heavy nowadays. I mean the average apps like SalesForce, Jira, MS Power BI, etc.