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Consolation prize is that overclocking becomes a thing again with these reduced TDP parts.
Phoronix.com seems to like them:
Games? None. Unless you use RPCS3 exclusively .Do we know how many games/apps benefit from AVX-512.
Games, none.Do we know how many games/apps benefit from AVX-512.
Phoronix.com seems to like them:
When taking the geometric mean of those nearly 400 raw benchmark results, it sums up the greatness of Zen 5 with the Ryzen 5 9600X and Ryzen 7 9700X processors. The Ryzen 7 9700X delivered 1.195x the performance of the Core i5 14600K competition or 1.15x the performance of the prior generation Ryzen 7 7700X. The Ryzen 5 9600X came in at 1.35x the performance of the Core i5 14500 and 1.25x the performance of the Ryzen 5 7600X. Or if still on Zen 3 for comparison, the Ryzen 5 9600X was 1.82x the performance of the Ryzen 5 5600X.
memory-bound.No he wasn't. He said SPEC rate. And neither FP nor int show that.
Maybe? But we still told him not to extrapolate from Turin and yet he did.memory-bound.
Using the Phoronix result, this is a ~20% CAGR on performance per inflation adjusted dollar, which is actually good in this late stage Moore's law era.The parts are also considerably cheaper, at MSRP and adjusting for inflation. (MSRP is the better way to measure this, as all tech products are gradually discounted with time.) You pay about 20% less for 5-15% more performance and ¿40%? less energy consumption. It's not nothing, considering how the true enabler of improvements, semiconductor manufacturing, has stalled.
Lets just say there is more left in the tankUnlike Zen 4 which benefited from DDR4-->DDR5 jump, Zen 5 is still stuck on similar DDR5 speeds. And we already knew Zen 4 was memory constrained in a lot of workloads which is why the 3D vCache variant does so well in some instances. Looks like same still applies to Zen 5 but it's likely to hit the bottleneck even harder due to mArch differences.
Running JEDEC speeds seems like it gimps performance even more vs Zen 4.
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Agreed, this release has highlighted some trends in the industryThe parts are also considerably cheaper, at MSRP and adjusting for inflation. (MSRP is the better way to measure this, as all tech products are gradually discounted with time.) You pay about 20% less for 5-15% more performance and ¿40%? less energy consumption. It's not nothing, considering how the true enabler of improvements, semiconductor manufacturing, has stalled.
It is quite possible that is affected as well. Zen 4 is starved for bandwidth as well.No he wasn't. He said SPEC rate. And neither FP nor int show that.
Not quite.
It is quite possible that is affected as well. Zen 4 is starved for bandwidth as well.
We can actually determine this pretty easily by simply waiting for Turin benchmarks.
If non-SPEC INT “INT” tests are showing a 30-35% improvement, that suggests the problem is SPEC being limited in some way.
Note that I am it is the current chiplet design (especially 1 CCD parts!) that is limiting bandwidth, NOT DDR5. It also means Zen 6 should rectify the situation. 😈
🚂 ( hype train)

Where Zen 5 actually shines is temperature:
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That's -35°C from 7700X to 9700X and still -15°C when both are running at 142W PPT. Thank god, this will hopefully end the thousands of "my CPU is running too hot" posts in German forums that I had to endure for Ryzen 7000 during the last two years.
It does seem like the improvements primarily is workstation/HPC/power related. On the other hand if they can keep the high clocks then the 3D cache models might be interesting.Per Phoronix:
Those are some impressive numbers and suggest Zen 5 server parts are going to be beastly. Since the architectural changes seem to favor work more so than gaming.
9700x is 15% better than the 7700X despite 65W TDP (88W PPT).
9600x is 25% better than the 7600X. And a full 82% better than the 5600X.
What I don’t get is how / why Tom’s is showing a significant uplift in gaming with PBO on? Basically conflicting with every other source.
Just leaves me puzzled
its efficient and they have priced it well. We obsess too much with benchmarks anyway.
Consolation prize is that overclocking becomes a thing again with these reduced TDP parts.
Zen6 is 2027Some speculation: If Zen6 arrives in ~18 months or less, like very late 2025, I could imagine this looking better with hindsight. The IOD/memory issues could see a lot of improvement, keeping 8c CCX with N3* node improving transistor budget, as well as 'sweet spot' memory/sync being raised significantly above 6000.
maybe not He was comparing either 9950x vs 7950x or Turin vs Genoa. I am guessing Turin. Until those come out, I will not contest that number.He claims "40% IPC improvement in SpecInt" which turned out to be totally false. The picture shows the same thing. Geekerwan tests of both laptop and desktop parts show 9% gain in guess what? SpecInt.
Well, then we have a problem.Zen6 is 2027
