Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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In2Photos

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With these SKUs at stock (9600X, 9700X and 9900X), you'll have only a little better perfomance, but with a lot less power consumption. If you want to see good gains, crank up PPT.
The thing is, this type of information won't be available in most reviews today. We'll have to wait for the more in depth stuff in the weeks to come. But the naysayers will have already poo-pooed the CPUs by then.
 

Gideon

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In Techpowerup review the 9600X at least seems to more consistently outperform 7600X in games (but the overall uplift remains quite similar ~4%

 

Ghostsonplanets

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In Techpowerup review the 9600X at least seems to more consistently outperform 7600X in games (but the overall uplift remains quite similar ~4%

Negligible gains, yeah. In some cases, it translates to 1 FPS gain.
 

CouncilorIrissa

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The thing is, this type of information won't be available in most reviews today. We'll have to wait for the more in depth stuff in the weeks to come. But the naysayers will have already poo-pooed the CPUs by then.
Deservedly so. 2 years between CPUs and a brand new core for non-existent gains.
They could've achieved that by iterating on the existent core lol.
 

Rheingold

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The SKUs have one problem: Despite apparent price reduction to the previous generation, they are too expensive:

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If we apply the Scooby Doo Unmasking meme to the 9700X and 9600X, and correctly name them 9700 and 9600, then they are reaching the market at 30 USD more for the 8-core model and even 50 USD more for the 6-core model, compared to the previous generation models. That's why everybody correctly identifies them as too expensive, even before looking at obviously lower prices for the previous generation.
 

leoneazzurro

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While as an upgrade path Zen5 is a "meh" (and it makes me wonder if N3 being too expensive atm is part of the cause for this) there are positives. Comparing it to the 7800X3D in gaming is just stupid, the gains are there if you look at the comparison with the 7700X-7800X (which consume more) and 7600X. Application performance is held back by the TDP decrease - and according to italian Hwupgrade review, the power consumption is quite different.


Temperatures are also quite lower but for that there is also the new temperature monitoring system to take in account.
What's funny is that with Zen4 AMD was bashed because it raised the TDP to get more performance, now it is bashed because it tried to maximize efficiency at the expense of max performance.
 

Hitman928

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Turns out it really is a "bulldozer moment" somewhat.
Years of expectation, huge changes to the architecture, negative IPC slower than previous gen, only performs well under specific right circumstances (at least power is good), gives time to the competition to breath and strike back with calm.

Make me fear that Zen 6 and Zen 7 will be Piledrivers and Steamrollers.


It's definitely a disappointing release, but where are you seeing IPC being worse?

Unironically great uplift in browsers, what the hell.

Yeah, pretty weird. It seems AMD tried some things architecturally that was very hit and miss, mostly miss but with some good hits here and there. I do appreciate the improved efficiency and AMD's willingness to reduce power, even at the sake of some performance reduction. I do expect the 9950x to have a little better of a showing given that they didn't reduce TDP on that model.

I'm probably in the minority on this, but I think modern CPU power consumption is insane and AMD resetting expectations there (outside of the halo part) is greatly appreciated. With all the talk from reviewers about how crazy high power consumption has gotten, I'm a bit disappointed that this move has been almost ignored by reviewers in favor of highlighting the lack of significant performance improvement. I get it, but still a little disappointed. Like I said, I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm ok with that.

Waiting this long for Zen 5 makes this launch especially disappointing. Had it come out 15 months or so after Zen 4, I think it would have seemed more acceptable, but the extra time combined with seemingly a still shaky release in terms of BIOS readiness just makes it a bit sad, lol. Maybe Zen 5 at least gives them a new foundation with some new lower hanging fruit that they can go after with Zen 6, that's my hope at least.
 

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Also Python, PHP, Node.js interprets are super fast.
Truly a server core that somehow found itself on client.

I'm probably in the minority on this, but I think modern CPU power consumption is insane and AMD resetting expectations there (outside of the halo part) is greatly appreciated. With all the talk from reviewers about how crazy high power consumption has gotten, I'm a bit disappointed that this move has been almost ignored by reviewers in favor of highlighting the lack of significant performance improvement. I get it, but still a little disappointed. Like I said, I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm ok with that.
On that we can agree. Both CPUs and GPUs consume embarrassing amount of power on client nowadays.
 

yottabit

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TomsHardware seems to be showing a much bigger geomean gaming uplift than TechPowerUp, especially with PBO enabled on the 9600X / 9700X, but I've never been one to really trust their testing methodology