Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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igor_kavinski

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RESULTS!

We had three finalists and out of those, two were very close but only one emerged the clear victor!

And the winner with the closest prediction of real ES CBR23 points is...

josh128

Congratulations for your keen sense of sniffing out ES scores!

While it seems you don't really need a CPU benchmark score for the ES since you are so good at prediction, rules are rules.

Choose wisely, a CPU benchmark to run on the ES CPU, that does not require an online profile nor does the result need to be uploaded online. And nothing paid please coz that will complicate things.
 
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SarahKerrigan said:
HPC is a tiny fraction of the total server market, and most server workloads are commercial code that gets quite a bit out of SMT.

Note that the RISC/UNIX world, which has been purely server for a long time, consisted exclusively of multithreaded cores by 2008, across all four silicon vendors (Intel/HP, IBM, Fujitsu, Sun/Oracle.)
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Can't SMT simply be disabled in the BIOS for EPYC as well, if it has negative impact on performance on your specific use case?
 
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Josh128 said:
Hoo boy!! I actually won something, lol.

We've seen so many MT runs already, Im thinking I'd like to see some ST action. 3 benches come to mind: R23, R24, or Dolphin Bench. Which would yall like to see at 5.7GHz ?
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I vote for R24. Seems more vendor-neutral compared to the R23, at least when talking about x86 vendors.
 
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Markfw said:
subtitles unavailable. Can you post the answers to some of our burning questions ?
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He said:

worked witha lotta OEMs

It's not justa EyePeeCee but other factors like RAM speed and disk speed that they worked on with OEMs to make Ryzen AI laptops stand out.

They came up with Block Float 16 thingamajig that allows them to essentially "compress" through the process of quantization, large and accurate AI models into smaller ones that can run locally and don't sacrifice much in terms of accuracy while offering better performance and latency advantages.

Curve Optimizer is now a legacy overclocking feature and superseded by Curve Shaper. Curve Shaper will allow enthusiasts to get more out of their CPU. They have also lowered the barrier of entry for everyday folks into the world of overclocking and made it easier to understand and do (possibly referring to a newer version of Ryzen Master?).

And that's about what I remember from it.

Oh and he said that every generation they try to optimize their CPU architecture for how productivity applications use multiple cores or multithreading so this time's no different and they believe they have squeezed more performance out of such productivity applications with Zen 5.
 
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Hail The Brain Slug said:
I mean, if he's already got the benchmark open and waiting 10 minutes for an ST pass, it's barely any additional time to hit the MT button......
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That's true though we don't know if he will want to optimize the CPU for ST to show it in its best light. I mean, it is an ES and may not be completely representative of final silicon's performance so better to get the best score out of it. That optimization process may be time consuming and then doing the same for MT would also be additional time wasted.
 
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R24 ST it is, if it looks like he can get it close to 5.7/what should be stock boost. If it doesnt look like he'll be able to do it, I'd rather not give that kind of bait to the trolls. In that case I'll take a max tuned MT run. :p
 
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Jan Olšan said:
There were similar cases of features in Zen 2 not making it to Zen 3 but then reappearing in Zen 4.
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That's a really cool way of doing things. It's like birthing a new core every odd gen and then suping up that odd core with features from the previous even gen core and birthing an even more powerful even gen core that is a chimera of the immediately preceding even and odd gens. With every even gen emerges an iteratively evolved Zen core that is ready to take the future head on and make Intel's problems go from mere worse to a higher degree worse akin to "just kill me already!".
 
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CouncilorIrissa said:
I vote for R24. Seems more vendor-neutral compared to the R23, at least when talking about x86 vendors.
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Run cpu-z >:)
Hail The Brain Slug said:
I mean, if he's already got the benchmark open and waiting 10 minutes for an ST pass, it's barely any additional time to hit the MT button......
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U gonna test your 7950x at 80w and 100w in CBR23 nT as well?
 
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