Question Zen 4 builders thread

[Markfw]

I know its early, but as someone pointed out, I better get my ram now before the scalpers are all over it.

To go with a 7950x, what do you think of this ram:

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374369?Item=N82E16820374369

(edited for my best recommendation, 12/5/2023)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Factual reporting on Zen4, including official prices.

(Paul's Hardware)

 

[biostud]

If they ask 450$ for the 16T part without the Vcache, then they are in trouble... It depends how intel will price the 13600K, if it's cheaper than that then 7700X might be DOA.

So it is $399, are they in trouble?

 

[inf64]

So it is $399, are they in trouble?

They might be, it depends how the competition prices its SKUs. Currently, 12700K is priced at 399 on Newegg - the 7700X should be faster overall in ST, MT and gaming and costs the same. However, the motherboards are unknown factor and also the price for Raptor Lake 13600K.

 

[DrMrLordX]

5800x at MSRP without the choice of an 5700x already was somewhat of a hard sell, leading many to pick a 5600x or 5900x instead. Keeping the MSRP but changing the name seems an odd conclusion from that.

It's almost like AMD wants there to be an odd man out. Can't imagine why. $399 isn't too terrible but $349 for the 7700X and $249-$279 for the 7600X would have been better. 7950X price is great though. Compared to last gen.

 

[igor_kavinski]

$399 isn't too terrible but $349 for the 7700X and $249-$279 for the 7600X would have been better.

$299 for 7600X is fine by me. They have earned it. We should support them to continue making even better products.

 

[DrMrLordX]

$299 for 7600X is fine by me. They have earned it. We should support them to continue making even better products.

It's not worse than the 5600X. And honestly we've had enough price rant thread derails that it's not worth it to go further than saying, "eh I guess". It'll sell pretty well at that price. And with inflation being what it is it's nice to see they aren't raising prices. But AMD really isn't targeting the low end, and the 7600X risks being clipped by some of Intel's midrange stuff from the next gen, depending on how they price things.

As it stands, a 7600X is a bargain compared to a 12900k.

 

[igor_kavinski]

As it stands, a 7600X is a bargain compared to a 12900k.

This. I'm sure some 12900K owners are not gonna be happy, even if they don't want to admit it. A mid-range CPU that performs better than their halo product that they purchased less than a year ago and that is probably frugal with power consumption and on top of that, has AVX-512, which ADL owners can't use anymore with latest BIOS/steppings. Anyone who opted to wait for Zen 4 is most likely ecstatic now.

 

[AdamK47]

This. I'm sure some 12900K owners are not gonna be happy, even if they don't want to admit it. A mid-range CPU that performs better than their halo product that they purchased less than a year ago and that is probably frugal with power consumption and on top of that, has AVX-512, which ADL owners can't use anymore with latest BIOS/steppings. Anyone who opted to wait for Zen 4 is most likely ecstatic now.

What about the people with a 12900K that upgrade to the latest and greatest on release day for the past twenty years?

 

[igor_kavinski]

What about the people with a 12900K that upgrade to the latest and greatest on release day for the past twenty years?

Not everyone does that and not everyone is OK with selling their previous gen for a slight loss to stay on the cutting edge. The people I was talking about are the ones who do a major upgrade every three or more years, obviously due to cost reasons.

 

[DisEnchantment]

Going to get 7950X on day 1 for my Linux Kernel 6.0 build (and Win11 for MATLAB/Rhapsody etc.)

R9 7950X
2x 32GB G.Skill TridentZ5 Neo 6000 CL30 or lower
4x Next gen PCIe5 M.2 SSD
Passive X670E ATX board ( I had good experiences on MSI/ASUS and Gigabyte so not sure what to go with, but probably Aorus Master or MSI Ace)

Finally I can remove GPU. (Might add later if I want to try out something on ROCm 5.x but probably will use it on my Zen3 machine or another Zen 4 box)
First thing to do is make sure my 7950X will operate at 105W or thereabouts.

I don't know if anyone is aware if there are any PCIe5.0 M.2 with higher IOPS than the 990 Pro

I need 4x NVME w/ PCIe 5.0, 1x Win11 and 1x Linux boot drives
And 2x NVME SSD in RAID 0 for the primary build drive under Linux

 

[igor_kavinski]

I don't know if anyone is aware if there are any PCIe5.0 M.2 with higher IOPS than the 990 Pro

Some things to consider:

It Looks Like PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSDs Require Bigger M.2 Slots | PCMag

Next-Gen PCIe 5.0 SSDs to Run Hot, May Require Cooling - ExtremeTech

The first PCIe 5.0 SSDs for consumers are face-meltingly fast | PCWorld

The smaller memory specialist has announced the Apacer AS2280F5 and Zadak TWSG5, two series of 5th-gen PCIe SSDs in the M.2 format. Both feature read speeds at up to a torrid 13000MB/s, with write speeds only slightly lower at 12000MB/s. (That’s a little less than double the speed of the fastest M.2 gen 4 drives on the market.) Both drives are backwards compatible with gen 4 connections and come with beefy aluminum heat sinks, which might cause clearance issues if your motherboard’s M.2 slots are in an awkward spot. Each has a 5-year warranty.

I think November is when the big name brands may release their PCIe 5.0 offerings.

 

[In2Photos]

PCIe5 drives won't be available until November according to the info from AMD yesterday.

 

[JasonLD]

$699 pricing on 7950x gives a room for higher price bracket for 7950x3D. I would probably wait for that instead.

 

[biostud]

Looks like an early 2023 build for me

next gen videocards
next gen ssd
7800X3D

and a wider selection of memory, motherboards and a couple of AGESA updates later

 

[Joe NYC]

So it is $399, are they in trouble?

If AMD asks $449 for V-Cache CPU, then Intel is in trouble.

 

[DrMrLordX]

What about the people with a 12900K that upgrade to the latest and greatest on release day for the past twenty years?

Then they're gonna be pissed cuz the "latest and greatest" won't come out until Raphael-X hits the scene, and they'll have to buy one of those!

 

[AdamK47]

Then they're gonna be pissed cuz the "latest and greatest" won't come out until Raphael-X hits the scene, and they'll have to buy one of those!

Just like I went from 12900K to 12900KS. Not pissed. It's the nature of the game.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Just like I went from 12900K to 12900KS. Not pissed. It's the nature of the game.

Fair enough. Feel free to show off your sick Raphael-X build when it finally hits.

 

[AdamK47]

Fair enough. Feel free to show off your sick Raphael-X build when it finally hits.

Will do.

 

[inf64]

$699 pricing on 7950x gives a room for higher price bracket for 7950x3D. I would probably wait for that instead.

There are some rumors circling the web that say AMD readied another (higher SKU) called 7980X that supposedly boosts to 5.9Ghz (+150Mhz with PBO to get it to magical 6Ghz mark out of the box). They seem to be holding off that part for couple of reasons, one being that they plan to launch 3D version of 7950X that has exactly the same base/boost clocks. So they sacrificed the +200Mhz boost to get the absolute gaming crown, not a bad deal at all.

 

[Spydermag68]

I am going to get the 7950x. I have everything but CPU, motherboard and memory. I hope the board specs will be appearing soon.

 

[gdansk]

I am going to get the 7950x. I have everything but CPU, motherboard and memory. I hope the board specs will be appearing soon.

You, me and half this forum. Su said AMD is not supply constrained but I think she means in general not for the top end SKU.

All I can say is hopefully they overproduced

 

[Joe NYC]

I sincerely hope that this is not the full list of the Asus motherboards. Because if there was a full list, and they asked me to cross out the ones with the dumbest feature set, this would be my list:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1564679133220818945

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Yeah, that's so dumb. Why are there two X16s on all of them?

 

[Joe NYC]

Yeah, that's so dumb. Why are there two X16s on all of them?

Exactly, even on mATX boards. And all (except one) of the motherboards with dual x16 slots are Gen 4.