Zbigniew Brzezinski`s and other peoples take on a Middle east peace..

[JEDIYoda]

I was reading a Foregn Policy magazine and came upon an article called - So Why Have we Failed?

In the article it ask leading Americans, Palestinians and Israeli`s the Question -- Why have we failed?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/04/19/so_why_have_we_failed

I found what Brzezinski had to say spot on, in a way that way niether pro-Israel nor pro-Palestinian --

Zbigniew Brzezinski

National security advisor to U.S. President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981

Who's to blame: The United States. On more than one occasion it pledged to become seriously engaged in promoting peace, but in fact its engagement has been more rhetorical than real, lacking in will to use the obvious dependence of both the Israelis and the Palestinians on American support.

Out-of-the-box idea: To announce to the world America's commitment to a framework for peace based on four key points, namely --
(1) no right of return for Palestinian refugees to Israel proper. -- notice he did not say "no right of return" at all!
(2) West Jerusalem as the seat for Israel's capital and East Jerusalem as the seat of the Palestinian capital with some internationally based sharing of the Old City.
(3) the drawing of borders between the two states along the 1967 lines, adjusted on the basis of one-for-one swaps as the frontiers; and
(4) an essentially demilitarized Palestinian state with U.S. or NATO forces on the west bank of the Jordan River.

 

[Lemon law]

Well Ziggy had his chance when Carter was Prez, now he is nobody, and out of power.
But granted he laid out some ideas, but will anyone buy them any longer. Or has the rest of the world moved on while Ziggy has not?

Well, we are likely to see very soon. But points one and four don't sound very credible.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well Ziggy had his chance when Carter was Prez, now he is nobody, and out of power.
But granted he laid out some ideas, but will anyone buy them any longer. Or has the rest of the world moved on while Ziggy has not?

Well, we are likely to see very soon. But points one and four don't sound very credible.

There will never be a right to return. But a Right to return would have the best chance or being given some serious thought laid out the way Brzezinsk proposed it.

 

[glenn1]

Yeah, sure. There's no Israeli-Palestinian peace just because the U.S. wasn't really trying. If only every President from Reagan on had given it just a bit more effort, this could have been all wrapped up years ago with 4 simple points that Z lay out.

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta love the JediY circular reasoning in, "There will never be a right to return. But a Right to return would has the best chance or being given some serious thought laid out the way Brzezinsk proposed it."

Yes exactly, the Ziggy idea was no real right to return, which Israel loves, but just in case JediY says there will be no right to return while ignoring the fact that the current settlement framework does include addressing the right to return in terms of land swaps. But the current settlement framework is what it and is to be negotiated.
With a one year deadline for results, failing that it may be binding third party arbitration or some other plan like Israel assimilating the Palestinians with full voting rights. Who knows.

As Jedi grasps at any straw like its going to float anything. What blast from the past will you come up with next, maybe Kissinger if you want to kiss all credibility goodbye. Or maybe Dick Cheney if you want to gag maggots.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yeah, sure. There's no Israeli-Palestinian peace just because the U.S. wasn't really trying. If only every President from Reagan on had given it just a bit more effort, this could have been all wrapped up years ago with 4 simple points that Z lay out.

Your point being?? I was just commenting on one segment of the article.
I was not commenting on whether i agree or disagree with the article.

Shalom!!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Binding arbitration eh?

Maybe we can get Imadinnerjacket to cut out his crap. We just get the Asgard to mediate.

There is no "binding", because there is no real world way to make it so. You will find that little comes from this because Israel will keep building and Hamas wants Israel destroyed and to rule the Palestinians. Unless someone threatens to nuke both sides there is no way to force this and even then individual groups from within would sabotage any coerced agreement.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Gotta love the JediY circular reasoning in, "There will never be a right to return. But a Right to return would has the best chance or being given some serious thought laid out the way Brzezinsk proposed it." -- there will never ever be a right to return in the sense you as a pro-palestinian would desire! Tough luck that just will not happen!

Yes exactly, the Ziggy idea was no real right to return, which Israel loves, but just in case JediY says there will be no right to return while ignoring the fact that the current settlement framework does include addressing the right to return in terms of land swaps. But the current settlement framework is what it and is to be negotiated. -- please provide a link to what you are claiming to be the case?
But sad to say the right to return will never happen in the manner that you as a pro-palestinian sympathizer desires!

With a one year deadline for results, failing that it may be binding third party arbitration or some other plan like Israel assimilating the Palestinians with full voting rights. Who knows. -- I will allow you to keep dreaming, but again Israel will never agree to binding arbitration or for that matter letting a third party decide....

As Jedi grasps at any straw like its going to float anything. What blast from the past will you come up with next, maybe Kissinger if you want to kiss all credibility goodbye. Or maybe Dick Cheney if you want to gag maggots.

-- you know you have been owned with me proving to you with the exact wording,that your interpretation of the UN Charter was bogus and wrong! You have also been admonished by myself and other concerning the word genocide.......
In the other thread SamurAchzar took each of your points and quite accurately rebutted your bogus and wishful claims.
Unlike you, I do not invent history to attempt to support my opinion.
Nor do I purposely mis-represent things like the wording of the UN Charter.
But we both know or at least should know that the same event can be looked upon in many different ways and possibly all the ways are correct...

But let me say this - you and I are real good examples of why there is no peace in that region.
We both desire a lasting peace!
But in the end you say everything is Israel`s fault and as such Israel should give the Palestinians whatever they desire in the name of peace.

I say that if there was a way that the security of Israel could be 100% guaranteed, there would IMO be immediate peace in that region!

Shalom!