Zarqawi and other terrorists declare war on the Iraq election

[raildogg]

Zarqawi audiotape declares war on Iraq vote
AFP: 1/23/2005

DUBAI, Jan 23 (AFP) - Al-Qaeda's frontman in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, on Sunday declared war on the elections which he said were aimed at bringing the country under Shiite control, in an audiotape posted on an Islamist website.

Next Sunday's polls are a "wicked trap aimed at putting the Rafidha (a derogatory term for Shiite Muslims) in the seat of power in Iraq," said the voice attributed to Zarqawi.

"Four million Rafidhi have been brought in from Iran to take part in the elections so that they realize their aim of taking most seats in the atheist (national) assembly... For these and other reasons, we have declared all-out war on this wicked course," said the voice on the 45-minute tape, whose authenticity could not be confirmed.

"You must beware of the (US) enemy's plan to apply alleged democracy in your country," the Jordanian-born Zarqawi told Iraqis.

After clinching most seats in the 275-member national assembly, the Shiites would "form a majority government that would control the strategic, economic and security mainstays of the state," said the voice.

Under the guise of applying democracy and crushing the remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime, "the Rafidha would start settling ideological scores by eliminating Sunni symbols and cadres such as scholars and preachers," the voice said.

They would then go on to "spread their wicked sect among the people" with a combination of enticements and threats, said the man purported to be Zarqawi.

It was the second audiotape attributed to Zarqawi in three days in which the Sunni fundamentalist extremist launched a bitter attack on Iraq's Shiite majority, which appears headed for victory in the January 30 polls amid boycott threats by minority Sunnis.

Zarqawi's outfit, the Al-Qaeda Group of Jihad in the Land of Two Rivers, has claimed responsibility for some of the most gruesome attacks in Iraq, including deadly bombings and beheadings of foreign hostages and Iraqis branded "apostates" for dealing with US-led forces.

01/23/2005 10:23 GMT - AFP

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[Engineer]

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

We know where they are. Usually when there is big battle, its usually the terrorists vs US military and the civilians are not in that area. Many people leave if they know an upcoming battle is about to occur.

So instead of fighting these terrorists from the ground, which leads to US casualties, why not drop the Daisy Cutters on them. Of course, you cant drop bombs in all situations, but in certain ones you can.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

We know where they are. Usually when there is big battle, its usually the terrorists vs US military and the civilians are not in that area. Many people leave if they know an upcoming battle is about to occur.

So instead of fighting these terrorists from the ground, which leads to US casualties, why not drop the Daisy Cutters on them. Of course, you cant drop bombs in all situations, but in certain ones you can.

And, as I pointed out in another thread, destroy the entire town(s) of the people around. Destroy all they have and create new insurgents in the process. Bombing the people does one of two things: Brings fear or creates hate (or both). One of those catch 22 situations.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

We know where they are. Usually when there is big battle, its usually the terrorists vs US military and the civilians are not in that area. Many people leave if they know an upcoming battle is about to occur.

So instead of fighting these terrorists from the ground, which leads to US casualties, why not drop the Daisy Cutters on them. Of course, you cant drop bombs in all situations, but in certain ones you can.

And, as I pointed out in another thread, destroy the entire town(s) of the people around. Destroy all they have and create new insurgents in the process. Bombing the people does one of two things: Brings fear or creates hate (or both). One of those catch 22 situations.

If killing terrorists create more terrorists, then why kill terrorists in the first place?

Why not invite them to a picnic and offer our finest cheeses and wines?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

We know where they are. Usually when there is big battle, its usually the terrorists vs US military and the civilians are not in that area. Many people leave if they know an upcoming battle is about to occur.

So instead of fighting these terrorists from the ground, which leads to US casualties, why not drop the Daisy Cutters on them. Of course, you cant drop bombs in all situations, but in certain ones you can.

And, as I pointed out in another thread, destroy the entire town(s) of the people around. Destroy all they have and create new insurgents in the process. Bombing the people does one of two things: Brings fear or creates hate (or both). One of those catch 22 situations.

If killing terrorists create more terrorists, then why kill terrorists in the first place?

Why not invite them to a picnic and offer our finest cheeses and wines?

Not sure. Wonder why Al Qaeda has doubled (estimated) or more since we invaded Iraq?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

We know where they are. Usually when there is big battle, its usually the terrorists vs US military and the civilians are not in that area. Many people leave if they know an upcoming battle is about to occur.

So instead of fighting these terrorists from the ground, which leads to US casualties, why not drop the Daisy Cutters on them. Of course, you cant drop bombs in all situations, but in certain ones you can.

And, as I pointed out in another thread, destroy the entire town(s) of the people around. Destroy all they have and create new insurgents in the process. Bombing the people does one of two things: Brings fear or creates hate (or both). One of those catch 22 situations.

If killing terrorists create more terrorists, then why kill terrorists in the first place?

Why not invite them to a picnic and offer our finest cheeses and wines?

Not sure. Wonder why Al Qaeda has doubled (estimated) or more since we invaded Iraq?

hmm actually a lot of al qaeda leadership has been killed. but they'll find new leaders, so we'll have to kill them too. Some people, not sure if you feel this way, want to sit down with these terrorists. Thats totally insane.

You dont sit down with people who want to kill your children and convert you to their religion. You destroy them.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

We know where they are. Usually when there is big battle, its usually the terrorists vs US military and the civilians are not in that area. Many people leave if they know an upcoming battle is about to occur.

So instead of fighting these terrorists from the ground, which leads to US casualties, why not drop the Daisy Cutters on them. Of course, you cant drop bombs in all situations, but in certain ones you can.

And, as I pointed out in another thread, destroy the entire town(s) of the people around. Destroy all they have and create new insurgents in the process. Bombing the people does one of two things: Brings fear or creates hate (or both). One of those catch 22 situations.

If killing terrorists create more terrorists, then why kill terrorists in the first place?

Why not invite them to a picnic and offer our finest cheeses and wines?

Not sure. Wonder why Al Qaeda has doubled (estimated) or more since we invaded Iraq?

hmm actually a lot of al qaeda leadership has been killed. but they'll find new leaders, so we'll have to kill them too. Some people, not sure if you feel this way, want to sit down with these terrorists. Thats totally insane.

You dont sit down with people who want to kill your children and convert you to their religion. You destroy them.

Can we kill Jerry Fawell and his Tsunami relief errorts?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Can we kill Jerry Fawell and his Tsunami relief errorts?

Well ok if you want to

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

We know where they are. Usually when there is big battle, its usually the terrorists vs US military and the civilians are not in that area. Many people leave if they know an upcoming battle is about to occur.

So instead of fighting these terrorists from the ground, which leads to US casualties, why not drop the Daisy Cutters on them. Of course, you cant drop bombs in all situations, but in certain ones you can.

And, as I pointed out in another thread, destroy the entire town(s) of the people around. Destroy all they have and create new insurgents in the process. Bombing the people does one of two things: Brings fear or creates hate (or both). One of those catch 22 situations.

If killing terrorists create more terrorists, then why kill terrorists in the first place?

Why not invite them to a picnic and offer our finest cheeses and wines?

Not sure. Wonder why Al Qaeda has doubled (estimated) or more since we invaded Iraq?

hmm actually a lot of al qaeda leadership has been killed. but they'll find new leaders, so we'll have to kill them too. Some people, not sure if you feel this way, want to sit down with these terrorists. Thats totally insane.

You dont sit down with people who want to kill your children and convert you to their religion. You destroy them.

Kill the terrorists, but don't make more of them through unnecessary use of force. Dropping those bombs you love so much all over Iraq will kill innocent people and make some people hate us enough to become terrorists. Don't you think if we could bomb the sh!t out of terrorists instead of having our soldiers die, we would be doing it? Unfortunitly for us, the terrorists aren't all cowering in some big building in the middle of the desert waiting for us to vanquish them, they are hiding in cities among innocent people and taking random shots at our soldiers as they pass though. There aren't "big battles" like in a conventional war, we lose most of our people to IEDs and other surprise attacks, because that's how terrorists can be most effective.

So let me ask you this, can we kill every single terrorist out there...OR might we be better off trying to help the Middle East develop an atmosphere where terrorism isn't encouraged? I swear to God, you think this is a Bruce Willis movie or something. Good old Bruce is a big supporter of this war btw, if that tells you anything. But this isn't a damn action movie, and we can't win by killing everyone, we've NEVER won a war like that.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Kill the terrorists, but don't make more of them through unnecessary use of force. Dropping those bombs you love so much all over Iraq will kill innocent people and make some people hate us enough to become terrorists. Don't you think if we could bomb the sh!t out of terrorists instead of having our soldiers die, we would be doing it? Unfortunitly for us, the terrorists aren't all cowering in some big building in the middle of the desert waiting for us to vanquish them, they are hiding in cities among innocent people and taking random shots at our soldiers as they pass though. There aren't "big battles" like in a conventional war, we lose most of our people to IEDs and other surprise attacks, because that's how terrorists can be most effective.

So let me ask you this, can we kill every single terrorist out there...OR might we be better off trying to help the Middle East develop an atmosphere where terrorism isn't encouraged? I swear to God, you think this is a Bruce Willis movie or something. Good old Bruce is a big supporter of this war btw, if that tells you anything. But this isn't a damn action movie, and we can't win by killing everyone, we've NEVER won a war like that.

Good points, I agree with some of the stuff you've posted. Of course you dont drop those bombs all over Iraq, but if there are isolated pockets where we sure the terrorists are hiding, we should drop them. No we cannot bomb the krap out of Iraq, but we can target specific locations however. Your correct, the terrorists hide among the innocent civilians.

I know this is not your typical war, this is asymetrical war where the terrorists run and hide. But in some cases there have been big battles where a lot of terrorists are involved. Thats a great target for one of those Daisy Cutters. And I dont love bombs or war, but I dont want any of our soldiers to die, and I want all of the terrorist scum destroyed. This isnt possible, there are casualties on both sides. The good news is that far more of them have died than our young soldiers.

 

[TheBDB]

but if there are isolated pockets where we sure the terrorists are hiding, we should drop them.

I'm sure we are. People think they know better than our military leaders.....

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

but if there are isolated pockets where we sure the terrorists are hiding, we should drop them.

I'm sure we are. People think they know better than our military leaders.....

duh

but whats wrong with some thoughts and debating with others about it over the internet.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: TheBDB

but if there are isolated pockets where we sure the terrorists are hiding, we should drop them.

I'm sure we are. People think they know better than our military leaders.....

duh

but whats wrong with some thoughts and talking about it over the internet.

There is nothing wrong with talking about it. I'm just tired of people who are frustrated with how the war is going and they make stupid comments like "we know where the terrorists are, why aren't we killing them?" That is something my dad routinely says. I'm just like don't you know how ridiculous that statement is??

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Do you even know what a Daisy Cutter does? Why we have them? Doesn't sound like it. You are dangerous in your ignorance.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: raildogg

Do you even know what a Daisy Cutter does? Why we have them? Doesn't sound like it. You are dangerous in your ignorance.

it is actually the worlds largest conventional bomb, causes an enormous amont of damage. again, this should not be used where civilians are nearby.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

Goldstein speaks again!

 

[imported_alp]

An audiotape on an Islamist website purportedly voiced by the Jordanian-born militant calls on Sunni Muslims to fight against the vote.

"We have declared a bitter war against the principle of democracy and all those who seek to enact it," the speaker says.

Zarqawi has claimed responsibility for many bombings and beheadings in Iraq.

The US has put a $25m (£13m) reward on his head.

Correspondents say the voice on the latest recording sounded similar to that on other messages attributed to the fugitive, whose group is linked to al-Qaeda.

It attacked democracy as a springboard for "un-Islamic" practices, claiming that its emphasis on majority rule violated the principle that all laws must come from a divine source.

"Candidates in elections are seeking to become demi-gods, while those who vote for them are infidels," it said.

Text

I know these people are against democracy, but I'm suprised they just... admit it like that...

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Kill the terrorists, but don't make more of them through unnecessary use of force. Dropping those bombs you love so much all over Iraq will kill innocent people and make some people hate us enough to become terrorists. Don't you think if we could bomb the sh!t out of terrorists instead of having our soldiers die, we would be doing it? Unfortunitly for us, the terrorists aren't all cowering in some big building in the middle of the desert waiting for us to vanquish them, they are hiding in cities among innocent people and taking random shots at our soldiers as they pass though. There aren't "big battles" like in a conventional war, we lose most of our people to IEDs and other surprise attacks, because that's how terrorists can be most effective.

So let me ask you this, can we kill every single terrorist out there...OR might we be better off trying to help the Middle East develop an atmosphere where terrorism isn't encouraged? I swear to God, you think this is a Bruce Willis movie or something. Good old Bruce is a big supporter of this war btw, if that tells you anything. But this isn't a damn action movie, and we can't win by killing everyone, we've NEVER won a war like that.

Good points, I agree with some of the stuff you've posted. Of course you dont drop those bombs all over Iraq, but if there are isolated pockets where we sure the terrorists are hiding, we should drop them. No we cannot bomb the krap out of Iraq, but we can target specific locations however. Your correct, the terrorists hide among the innocent civilians.

I know this is not your typical war, this is asymetrical war where the terrorists run and hide. But in some cases there have been big battles where a lot of terrorists are involved. Thats a great target for one of those Daisy Cutters. And I dont love bombs or war, but I dont want any of our soldiers to die, and I want all of the terrorist scum destroyed. This isnt possible, there are casualties on both sides. The good news is that far more of them have died than our young soldiers.

The only time we know where the terrorist are is when they are shooting at the troops. I'm sure the mariens that are getting shot at would rather you drop a few shells into the building or maybe a 500 pound bomb rather then a 8000 pound dassy cutter.

 

[ManSnake]

Why are you guys arguing with a kid who is obviously still in high school? That is beyond me...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Kill the terrorists, but don't make more of them through unnecessary use of force. Dropping those bombs you love so much all over Iraq will kill innocent people and make some people hate us enough to become terrorists. Don't you think if we could bomb the sh!t out of terrorists instead of having our soldiers die, we would be doing it? Unfortunitly for us, the terrorists aren't all cowering in some big building in the middle of the desert waiting for us to vanquish them, they are hiding in cities among innocent people and taking random shots at our soldiers as they pass though. There aren't "big battles" like in a conventional war, we lose most of our people to IEDs and other surprise attacks, because that's how terrorists can be most effective.

So let me ask you this, can we kill every single terrorist out there...OR might we be better off trying to help the Middle East develop an atmosphere where terrorism isn't encouraged? I swear to God, you think this is a Bruce Willis movie or something. Good old Bruce is a big supporter of this war btw, if that tells you anything. But this isn't a damn action movie, and we can't win by killing everyone, we've NEVER won a war like that.

Good points, I agree with some of the stuff you've posted. Of course you dont drop those bombs all over Iraq, but if there are isolated pockets where we sure the terrorists are hiding, we should drop them. No we cannot bomb the krap out of Iraq, but we can target specific locations however. Your correct, the terrorists hide among the innocent civilians.

I know this is not your typical war, this is asymetrical war where the terrorists run and hide. But in some cases there have been big battles where a lot of terrorists are involved. Thats a great target for one of those Daisy Cutters. And I dont love bombs or war, but I dont want any of our soldiers to die, and I want all of the terrorist scum destroyed. This isnt possible, there are casualties on both sides. The good news is that far more of them have died than our young soldiers.

I'm not sure what we are arguing about...I'm sure if our military leaders could use bombs they would. You seem to think they should be using them more often, as if they for some reason are holding back for no real reason. I think the probably know what they are doing.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: ManSnake
Why are you guys arguing with a kid who is obviously still in high school? That is beyond me...

why are you reading a high school kids thread?? troll

oh and i graduated hs long ago, thanks for your concern

 

[skull]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer

why are we holding back on our Daisy Cutters?

Since our official reason (NOW - constantly shifting. Check back next week and it may change) is to liberate the Iraqi people and spread democracy, it would look rather interesting blowing the hell out of them all, now wouldn't it.

As far as the OP, doesn't suprise me.

We need to drop them on wherever there are terrorists in big groups. In no way should they ever be dropped on innocent civilians who live their regular everyday lives like you and me. I want the Iraqi people to live in freedom and participate in the upcoming elections. The terrorists want to prevent the elections from even taking place

Big groups spread to every location in Iraq. Spread out among the everyday people.

We know where they are. Usually when there is big battle, its usually the terrorists vs US military and the civilians are not in that area. Many people leave if they know an upcoming battle is about to occur.

So instead of fighting these terrorists from the ground, which leads to US casualties, why not drop the Daisy Cutters on them. Of course, you cant drop bombs in all situations, but in certain ones you can.

And, as I pointed out in another thread, destroy the entire town(s) of the people around. Destroy all they have and create new insurgents in the process. Bombing the people does one of two things: Brings fear or creates hate (or both). One of those catch 22 situations.

If killing terrorists create more terrorists, then why kill terrorists in the first place?

Why not invite them to a picnic and offer our finest cheeses and wines?

Not sure. Wonder why Al Qaeda has doubled (estimated) or more since we invaded Iraq?

hmm actually a lot of al qaeda leadership has been killed. but they'll find new leaders, so we'll have to kill them too. Some people, not sure if you feel this way, want to sit down with these terrorists. Thats totally insane.

You dont sit down with people who want to kill your children and convert you to their religion. You destroy them.

You say that while the terrorists are thinking we have to do whatever necesesary to keep GW Bush from killing our children in the name of freedom.