YouTube now officially supports up to 10-bit HDR 8K 60fps

[nathanddrews]

You'll need to be connected to an HDR display in order to actually benefit from it, otherwise YouTube will automatically downsample it to your display chain's capabilities.

 

[pcslookout]

Wow I can just think of the memory usage one video will take with this kind of quality! hehe

 

[psolord]

Have they upped the 1080p's bitrate however?

I upload 20mbit videos only to see them reduced to 6-8mbit at best.

Since most of the world has 1080p/1440p screens, they should focus on that me thinks.

Progress is welcome however in all forms.

 

[happy medium]

I have a lumia 1520 phone,and that video was the best picture I have ever seen with my phone @1080p, 60fps, for some reason.

 

[Piroko]

Have they upped the 1080p's bitrate however?

Don't think so, I still see a lot of artifacting in 1080p. It's most obvious with the dirt that is kicked up by that bike @ 0:45.

I have a lumia 1520 phone,and that video was the best picture I have ever seen with my phone @1080p, 60fps, for some reason.

Apparently only a few devices get the hdr version served, the rest still gets the sdr version. They just turned the color saturation to 11 in that video. That and the Lumias have well calibrated displays that profit more from properly mastered content.

I'm not even sure if I got the hdr version served actually. edit: never mind, only the Chromecast Ultra gets the hdr version served for now, so I did see the sdr version only.

 

[nathanddrews]

Whatever method they're using to downsample HDR to SDR is most certainly pumping up the colors. Whether that will prove true for all HDR YouTube videos or just these first couple, I assume it's supposed to be eye-catching.

 

[crisium]

Gimmick. I have an HDR TV, and it can be nice (I guess I can test this later). Not saying that is necessarily a gimmick. 8K 60fps is. Youtube's 1080p is already so compressed, as others have noted.

 

[Bacon1]

Wow that one way to put a big dent in your data cap . Hope they up the quality for 1080/1440p/4k though as games and stuff are heavily reduced in quality.

 

[Rifter]

anyone else find it funny that youtube supports all these great things like 4k and HDR but at the same time compresses the hell out of the videos negating most of the point in having 4k and HDR in the first place.....

 

[nathanddrews]

I find the HDR and wide color gamut to be of extreme value when streaming Netflix/Amazon. Watching videos at 4K and 8K from YouTube helps to deal with the compression issues of 1080p.

 

[chummy]

Have they upped the 1080p's bitrate however?

I upload 20mbit videos only to see them reduced to 6-8mbit at best.

Since most of the world has 1080p/1440p screens, they should focus on that me thinks.

Progress is welcome however in all forms.

H264 1080@30fps= ~4Mbit/s
H264 1080@60fps= ~5.5Mbit/s
VP9 1080@60fps= ~3.5Mbit/s
VP9 1080@30= ~2.5Mbit/s
H264 1440@30fps= 8-9Mbit/s

The bitrate is focused in user connection bandwidth average, not in keeping your video quality. If average connection speed from users was higher then Youtube maybe pushed it up but the VP9 shows a motivation to go other way, since VP9 "improved" quality to save even more bandwidth.

 

[Newbian]

Now all they need to do is remove the hd near 720p and use it for this version.

 

[vissarix]

Well my pc despite having a dual core 4 threads haswell i5 cant handle a 1080p 60fps video without dropping frames let alone a 8k video which will kill it

Strangely enough my smartphone is perfectly capable of playing 1440p 60fps smoothly...

Would an i7 6700k play 8k video at 60fps without dropping frames?

 

[linkgoron]

Well my pc despite having a dual core 4 threads haswell i5 cant handle a 1080p 60fps video without dropping frames let alone a 8k video which will kill it

Strangely enough my smartphone is perfectly capable of playing 1440p 60fps smoothly...

Would an i7 6700k play 8k video at 60fps without dropping frames?

A 1050 would be the best solution IMO, as it has better hardware decoding than an rx 460, although I'm not sure if everything is enabled yet. Otherwise you should wait for kabylake, as they will have much better hardware decoding than skylake.

 

[nathanddrews]

Well my pc despite having a dual core 4 threads haswell i5 cant handle a 1080p 60fps video without dropping frames let alone a 8k video which will kill it
Strangely enough my smartphone is perfectly capable of playing 1440p 60fps smoothly...
Would an i7 6700k play 8k video at 60fps without dropping frames?

I think something is wrong with your machine. My Ivy Bridge 3570K (4.2GHz) and 970 combo can play 4K60 YouTube seamlessly. So can my i3-2100 with Radeon 7750. I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure my 3570K can do 8K without dropping frames, too?

At work, my new i5-6600 can do the 8K Patagonia video without dropping frames (well, less than 2%).

 

[VirtualLarry]

My Core2Quad Q9300 with R7 260X 2GB, slightly OCed to 2.8Ghz on the CPU, can play 4K@60 YT just fine.

 

[R0H1T]

Have they upped the 1080p's bitrate however?

I upload 20mbit videos only to see them reduced to 6-8mbit at best.

Since most of the world has 1080p/1440p screens, they should focus on that me thinks.

Progress is welcome however in all forms.

Not until they move to VP10 or whatever next gen codec they'll go along with.

 

[nvgpu]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1

HDR videos will only be relevant when Intel & Nvidia has fixed function AV1 hardware decoding, atm no one except Intel's Kaby Lake has VP9 Profile2 10bit hardware decoding, limiting the amount of viewers because 4K decoding is heavy workload on CPU software decoding.

Update: Pascal GP107 might support VP9 10bit Profile2 after all.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1787451#post1787451

https://developer.nvidia.com/nvidia-video-codec-sdk

**** VP9 10/12 bit decode support is limited to select Pascal chips

 

[Abwx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1

HDR videos will only be relevant when Intel & Nvidia has fixed function AV1 hardware decoding, atm no one except Intel's Kaby Lake has VP9 Profile2 10bit hardware decoding, limiting the amount of viewers because 4K decoding is heavy workload on CPU software decoding.

From your link :

Companies from within the Alliance (AMD, ARM, Intel, Nvidia) are working on hardware support for decoding and encoding AV1.

To sumarize you re giving wrong information by the "virtue" of what looks to be willfull omission...

 

[nvgpu]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1782414#post1782414

yes and no VP9 support in 16.10.1.

AMD STILL can't even enable VP9 hardware decoding in Polaris as mentioned by a RX 480 owner, what makes you think they're even relevant?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/4k60-fps-vp9-decoding-performance.2477963/page-5#post-38412120

Ellesmere and Baffin implement UVD 6.3, which has no VP9 support what so ever.

DXVAChecker pretty much exposes AMD's lies about VP9 support.

 

[Carfax83]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1

HDR videos will only be relevant when Intel & Nvidia has fixed function AV1 hardware decoding, atm no one except Intel's Kaby Lake has VP9 Profile2 10bit hardware decoding, limiting the amount of viewers because 4K decoding is heavy workload on CPU software decoding.

Pascal already has VP9 decoding. I just watched that video in the OP at 4K 60 FPS and my CPU usage was only about 2-3% with the Edge browser. Does HDR support require different hardware, or is it just a driver update?

 

[nenforcer]

anyone else find it funny that youtube supports all these great things like 4k and HDR but at the same time compresses the hell out of the videos negating most of the point in having 4k and HDR in the first place.....

I do I only watch streaming video as a fall back. I much prefer my offline AVC 28Mbps 1080P Bluray disks along with the accompanying Dolby TrueHD / DTS Master audio or uncompressed multi-channel PCM!

 

[Baron Fel]

I do I only watch streaming video as a fall back. I much prefer my offline AVC 28Mbps 1080P Bluray disks along with the accompanying Dolby TrueHD / DTS Master audio or uncompressed multi-channel PCM!

No 60fps on those right?

 

[RussianSensation]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1782414#post1782414

AMD STILL can't even enable VP9 hardware decoding in Polaris as mentioned by a RX 480 owner, what makes you think they're even relevant?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/4k60-fps-vp9-decoding-performance.2477963/page-5#post-38412120

DXVAChecker pretty much exposes AMD's lies about VP9 support.

While in the real world some of us PC users who buy i7s you know actually USE them. You get what you pay for.

- 99 Tabs open across 3 Chrome browsers with 8GB of memory (on purpose removed the other 8GB)
- i7 6700K purposely downlocked to 2.8Ghz
- 3x Hawaii cards running ZEC mining in real time with each GPU pushed close to 100% by ZEC => hence almost 400H/sec mining rate
- CPU usage is 52-55% running 4K 60Hz, Intel iGPU is disabled

Now please recreate this test with NV Maxwell videocards (since it's only fair to compare to Hawaii 2013 era GPUs I just linked). Oh wait, they don't have this capability to mine ZEC and watch 4K 60Hz YouTube at the same time, but but but....

And what happens when I increase the CPU clocks of the i7 6700K to 4.5Ghz+?

 

[Spicedaddy]

Pascal already has VP9 decoding. I just watched that video in the OP at 4K 60 FPS and my CPU usage was only about 2-3% with the Edge browser. Does HDR support require different hardware, or is it just a driver update?

Edge uses H.265 I think, Chrome uses VP9.