YouTube Must Give All User Histories To Viacom

[OutHouse]

well this sucks. i hope they appeal and get this reversed. so i f you watched any copyrighted material that is owned by viacom you may get a nice letter in the mail to pay up.

http://tech.slashdot.org/artic.../07/03/121221&from=rss

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"Google will have to turn over every record of every video watched by YouTube users, including users' names and IP addresses, to Viacom, which is suing Google for allowing clips of its copyright videos to appear on YouTube, a judge ruled Wednesday. Although Google argued that turning over the data would invade its users' privacy, the judge's ruling (.pdf) described that argument as "speculative" and ordered Google to turn over the logs on a set of four tera-byte hard drives."


**yes i made this thread in P&N but it think the impact of this ruling warrants a posting in OT so people know about his.

 

[mugs]

Copy/pasting a truncated link isn't going to work, slugger.

I'm not sure what Viacom's plan is here... so far all of the people who have been sued for MP3s and movies were uploaders, not downloaders (at least last I heard).

 

[middlehead]

I seem to recall this being more of a play by Viacom to prove why people use YouTube so that they can hit Google harder, rather than a shot at actually getting at the users. I would hope that they've learned from the RIAA's stupidity and realize that sending out a few million individual letters is going to be more trouble than it's worth.

 

[kranky]

Doesn't say anything about going after individual users for payment, just going after Google.

 

[OutHouse]

link fixed

 

[MotF Bane]

Er, wouldn't that qualify as retroactive?

Edit: Wow, and Viacom tried to get basically everything behind how Google works. Assholes.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: kranky
Doesn't say anything about going after individual users for payment, just going after Google.

Doesn't the law specifically protect service providers from liability for the copyright violations of their users?

 

[skace]

Don't fuck with the Google.

 

[Juno]

what do we do, counter-attack?

 

[Alyx]

Originally posted by: Juno
what do we do, counter-attack?

Hop in your cold war bomb shelter?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: kranky
Doesn't say anything about going after individual users for payment, just going after Google.

Eh, the ole slope is pretty slippery on this one. Just give it time, they'll slice and dice the individual users in time.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Juno
what do we do, counter-attack?

man the torpedos!

 

[krunchykrome]

all of your histories are belong to me

 

[Vehemence]

Damn, they're gonna see all the links I clicked from uhohs.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: kranky
Doesn't say anything about going after individual users for payment, just going after Google.

Eh, the ole slope is pretty slippery on this one. Just give it time, they'll slice and dice the individual users in time.

Maybe they can ID them, but they'll never be allowed to collect. Let's say I make a video, I copyright it, I post it on youtube, and people watch it. Can I come back later and demand they pay for watching my video? Of course not. There was never any agreement to pay for it. It's no different for Viacom, even if they didn't post the videos themselves. You simply cannot demand that people pay for something after the fact when there was no agreement it needed to be paid for.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: dNor
Damn, they're gonna see all the links I clicked from uhohs.

You going to Loli-hell :evil:!

EDIT: Or would that be Rori-Herr?

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: dNor
Damn, they're gonna see all the links I clicked from uhohs.

:laugh:

 

[MisterJackson]

ehh, who watches shows on youtube anyway? There are so many other options with better video quality.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: kranky
Doesn't say anything about going after individual users for payment, just going after Google.

Eh, the ole slope is pretty slippery on this one. Just give it time, they'll slice and dice the individual users in time.

Maybe they can ID them, but they'll never be allowed to collect. Let's say I make a video, I copyright it, I post it on youtube, and people watch it. Can I come back later and demand they pay for watching my video? Of course not. There was never any agreement to pay for it. It's no different for Viacom, even if they didn't post the videos themselves. You simply cannot demand that people pay for something after the fact when there was no agreement it needed to be paid for.

That's the way I see it. I could see Viacom going after the uploaders of copyrighted material, but that's about it.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

LOL.

The fact that Google even has anything to turn over means that THEY HAVE your information already. You understood that in going to a public website. That doesn't bother you, obviously. Why then are you going to shit your pants over Viacom also having that information? Because Google is good and Viacom is bad? All Viacom wants the info for is to use in a later suit agianst Google to persue damages and they'll reference the number of viewers, etc. They may use it for data mining as well, but Google already does that.

 

[her209]

http://www.viacom.com/OURBRANDS/Pages/default.aspx

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: kranky
Doesn't say anything about going after individual users for payment, just going after Google.

Eh, the ole slope is pretty slippery on this one. Just give it time, they'll slice and dice the individual users in time.

Maybe they can ID them, but they'll never be allowed to collect. Let's say I make a video, I copyright it, I post it on youtube, and people watch it. Can I come back later and demand they pay for watching my video? Of course not. There was never any agreement to pay for it. It's no different for Viacom, even if they didn't post the videos themselves. You simply cannot demand that people pay for something after the fact when there was no agreement it needed to be paid for.

sure you can. RIAA has proven that they can. the problem is that viacom didnt put the videos on youtube other people did.

 

[HannibalX]

I never signed up for YouTube!

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: kranky
Doesn't say anything about going after individual users for payment, just going after Google.

Eh, the ole slope is pretty slippery on this one. Just give it time, they'll slice and dice the individual users in time.

Maybe they can ID them, but they'll never be allowed to collect. Let's say I make a video, I copyright it, I post it on youtube, and people watch it. Can I come back later and demand they pay for watching my video? Of course not. There was never any agreement to pay for it. It's no different for Viacom, even if they didn't post the videos themselves. You simply cannot demand that people pay for something after the fact when there was no agreement it needed to be paid for.

sure you can. RIAA has proven that they can. the problem is that viacom didnt put the videos on youtube other people did.

I don't think so. Has RIAA been able to collect money from users who did nothing but visit a website?

 

[manowar821]

Fuck Viacom