YouTube Must Give All User Histories To Viacom

[OutHouse]

well tthis sucks. i hope they appeal and get this reversed. so i f you watched any copyrighted material that is owned by viacom you may get a nice letter in the mail to pay up.


http://tech.slashdot.org/artic.../07/03/121221&from=rss


"Google will have to turn over every record of every video watched by YouTube users, including users' names and IP addresses, to Viacom, which is suing Google for allowing clips of its copyright videos to appear on YouTube, a judge ruled Wednesday. Although Google argued that turning over the data would invade its users' privacy, the judge's ruling (.pdf) described that argument as "speculative" and ordered Google to turn over the logs on a set of four tera-byte hard drives."

 

[Slick5150]

I can't imagine all of the logs from Youtube's history could possibly fit on 4 TB hard drives?

 

[Xavier434]

Wow. Fuck Viacom. Seriously.

How the heck am I supposed to know what is and isn't copyrighted when it comes to any streaming video over the net unless I am given some kind of warning which is shoved in my face before watching? Not to mention this screams privacy violation.

 

[GTKeeper]

I think google should buy up all the floppy disks it can and send the logs that way. Put them all on a barge and send them.




Microsoft did a similar thing when the EU charged with anti-trust. They sent over litelarly dozens of Semi trucks worth of documentation, which had to be looked at by the EU lawyers.....

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think google should buy up all the floppy disks it can and send the logs that way. Put them all on a barge and send them.




Microsoft did a similar thing when the EU charged with anti-trust. They sent over litelarly dozens of Semi trucks worth of documentation, which had to be looked at by the EU lawyers.....

Yes! Let's use the old school 5 1/4 inch disks though.

 

[dahunan]

There is no doubt that youtube is nearly identical to Napster... but Google actualy stores all the data

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think google should buy up all the floppy disks it can and send the logs that way. Put them all on a barge and send them.




Microsoft did a similar thing when the EU charged with anti-trust. They sent over litelarly dozens of Semi trucks worth of documentation, which had to be looked at by the EU lawyers.....

Yes! Let's use the old school 5 1/4 inch disks though.

I really love this idea

 

[Imported]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think google should buy up all the floppy disks it can and send the logs that way. Put them all on a barge and send them.




Microsoft did a similar thing when the EU charged with anti-trust. They sent over litelarly dozens of Semi trucks worth of documentation, which had to be looked at by the EU lawyers.....

Yes! Let's use the old school 5 1/4 inch disks though.

I really love this idea

Ditto. Fuck Viacom.

 

[Mardeth]

In our university one lecturer (lawyer) told a story about someone who had to pay a settlement, so in spite, he chose to pay it in pennies, a truck load of them. A new law suit followed, which he in turn won .

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think google should buy up all the floppy disks it can and send the logs that way. Put them all on a barge and send them.




Microsoft did a similar thing when the EU charged with anti-trust. They sent over litelarly dozens of Semi trucks worth of documentation, which had to be looked at by the EU lawyers.....

Yes! Let's use the old school 5 1/4 inch disks though.

Nah, let's use the old cassette tapes that were in computers like the Tandy CoCo

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I can't imagine all of the logs from Youtube's history could possibly fit on 4 TB hard drives?

WHy not? Surely the log files wouldn't average more than a few dozen KB a user, leaving 4 TB drives with enough spaces to store logs for tens of millions of users.

 

[nonameo]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think google should buy up all the floppy disks it can and send the logs that way. Put them all on a barge and send them.




Microsoft did a similar thing when the EU charged with anti-trust. They sent over litelarly dozens of Semi trucks worth of documentation, which had to be looked at by the EU lawyers.....

Yes! Let's use the old school 5 1/4 inch disks though.

Nah, let's use the old cassette tapes that were in computers like the Tandy CoCo

Punch cards! mountains of them!

 

[Engineer]

More and more invasion of privicies by business (not to mention the government spying all over us now). Like others have said, if I watch something on youtube, how am I supposed to know if it's copyrighted or not (I'm not talking about movies either)?

 

[TheVrolok]

Wow, this is a bit absurd. Wonder if this includes things like those joke vids that have clips from movies in 'em.

 

[MagicConch]

Why don't they stop keeping logs so there is nothing to give them?

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Wow. Fuck Viacom. Seriously.

How the heck am I supposed to know what is and isn't copyrighted when it comes to any streaming video over the net unless I am given some kind of warning which is shoved in my face before watching? Not to mention this screams privacy violation.

Yeah, this is pretty messed up. Aren't there any consumer advocacy groups that have the $$$ to stand up to this shit?

 

[BoberFett]

Donate to the EFF.

 

[jjones]

Why would anyone other than Google have to pay Viacom for copyright infringement? They can't demand payment if you've only watched something and not been party to distribution.

 

[kylebisme]

Because, by streaming to file from YouTube's servers you are not just watching the copywritghted material, but actually making a copy of it on your own computuer.

 

[Genx87]

They going to take the RIAA's approach to dealing with their customers? I think we all have seen what that leads to. CD sales off by 30% in the last 3 years. Let them dig their own grave. The way I see it, google is only providing the shovel.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Genx87
They going to take the RIAA's approach to dealing with their customers? I think we all have seen what that leads to. CD sales off by 30% in the last 3 years. Let them dig their own grave. The way I see it, google is only providing the shovel.

Financially they might be digging their own grave but it will also be at the cost of our privacy if it happens.

I don't think this will fly though.

 

[GTKeeper]

I swear that every day we are moving closer to 1984.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: nonameo

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think google should buy up all the floppy disks it can and send the logs that way. Put them all on a barge and send them.




Microsoft did a similar thing when the EU charged with anti-trust. They sent over litelarly dozens of Semi trucks worth of documentation, which had to be looked at by the EU lawyers.....

Yes! Let's use the old school 5 1/4 inch disks though.

Nah, let's use the old cassette tapes that were in computers like the Tandy CoCo

Punch cards! mountains of them!

An old guy at a desk, tapping out binary data in Morse Code!



What are they going to do, sue all of the US?

Maybe if you do in fact get a letter from Viacom, just write "Return to Sender" on it.



And what the hell, I can watch shows at Comedy Central's own website, for free. (And, well, with FF3 and Adblock, and a properly configured Hosts file, it's just like watching it on SageTV - no ads. Shhhh!)

 

[dahunan]

But... CCentral is the provider of the shows and owner of the content

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87
They going to take the RIAA's approach to dealing with their customers? I think we all have seen what that leads to. CD sales off by 30% in the last 3 years. Let them dig their own grave. The way I see it, google is only providing the shovel.

Any evidence that the 30% decline isn't due to the piracy technology becoming improved/more widely used, and the RIAA efforts didn't keep it down to only 30%?