You're unarmed mall security. You see someone beheading people w/a knife

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irishScott

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This is what a knife can do even against guns.This video is NSFW or appropriate for younger viewers.Go to around the 7 minute mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eexGDSsJn9c&feature=player_embedded#at=769.But i think even at my age i can throw something hard enough to hurt the guy

Only because the idiots got too close and didn't have the gun on him. If you're 10'+ away and have the gun trained on a person they'd have to very lucky not catch at least one while crossing the distance. If the shooter is properly trained, they have near zero chance.
 
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MtnMan

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If you are an unarmed mall cop, your life has been over for a long time.
 

destrekor

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attack

who cares? it isn't about a job ..its about being a decent human beings

if you feel that you cannot successfully stop them then fine..but i would try

agreed.

Sometimes we should look out for our own. We don't need to be a specific profession in order to attempt certain things for people.

It's kind of like Soldiers who have basic medic training (which almost all Soldiers have, though not all try to get Combat Medic certified) rushing in to help a swamped paramedic.
When it comes to individual combat, not everyone is certified, but everyone probably has some ideas.
Just like the fact that all Soldiers aren't confident in their ability to administer aid, not all humans are confident in their ability to perform in a brawl. The ones without confidence should obviously stay back, as they may just cause more damage. Hell, many who are confident may still make the situation worse.

But dammit, some of us should at least try. So you may lose your own gamble and perish in the attempt.... we should be able to help each other out like that. Some people take daily life way to seriously and have a strange desire to see old age. I'll take whatever years I'm able to get, but I'm not going to go out of my way to avoid risk if someone else deserves an attempt to render aid. We're humans, and we should provide aid for our own. And hell, criminals killing others just to kill are disgusting examples of humanity, and the shot to take one of them out is equally as rewarding as the potential to save someone. Get to hit two birds with one stone: help a friendly, destroy an enemy.
 

irishScott

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agreed.

Sometimes we should look out for our own. We don't need to be a specific profession in order to attempt certain things for people.

It's kind of like Soldiers who have basic medic training (which almost all Soldiers have, though not all try to get Combat Medic certified) rushing in to help a swamped paramedic.
When it comes to individual combat, not everyone is certified, but everyone probably has some ideas.
Just like the fact that all Soldiers aren't confident in their ability to administer aid, not all humans are confident in their ability to perform in a brawl. The ones without confidence should obviously stay back, as they may just cause more damage. Hell, many who are confident may still make the situation worse.

But dammit, some of us should at least try. So you may lose your own gamble and perish in the attempt.... we should be able to help each other out like that. Some people take daily life way to seriously and have a strange desire to see old age. I'll take whatever years I'm able to get, but I'm not going to go out of my way to avoid risk if someone else deserves an attempt to render aid. We're humans, and we should provide aid for our own. And hell, criminals killing others just to kill are disgusting examples of humanity, and the shot to take one of them out is equally as rewarding as the potential to save someone. Get to hit two birds with one stone: help a friendly, destroy an enemy.

Some of us yes, but I wouldn't expect a father of 4 who's the sole source of income for his family to try. Sometimes you do need to look out for yourself and your own.

That's why I'd go for a weapon of some sort. Or if someone else is going for him I'd join, anything to give me an advantage but I would not intervene without some advantage. Going into a knife fight with my level of training (minimal) with my bare hands would just add to the body count in all probability. I'm better off throwing shit from a distance and making sure he won't have a moment's peace than I am in a knife fight.

And it's not like I would be throwing toilet paper either lol. See how he likes it when a basketball hits his head at full force. And if he does try to retaliate, I'm confident I could outrun him. Most criminals are pretty lazy when it comes to cardio.
 
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hdfxst

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Only because the idiots got too close and didn't have the gun on him. If you're 10'+ away and have the gun trained on a person they'd have to very lucky not catch at least one while crossing the distance. If the shooter is properly trained, they have near zero chance.

The guy with the ak47 got taken out first he would have been better off using it like a club
 

BladeVenom

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1) Whip out iPhone
2) Start Camera app
3) Record the beheadings
4) Wait until the guy is done
5) Leave the scene and wait for someone else to call 911
6) Profit by selling clip to news media days after the fact.

Just make sure you stop filming before the police show up. If they catch you filming them, they'll confiscate the footage, give you a beat down, and charge you with wiretapping.
 

spacejamz

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if this job is the sole means of income for your family and the security policy at the mall clearly states you will get fired if you intervene (which is probably standard by now), your choice has already been made for you if you have any regards for the welfare of your kids....

Didn't some security guard in San Fran or Seattle get fired over something like this recently?
 

Fritzo

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I would only attack if I had my costume with me. Can't risk my secret identity.
 

irishScott

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Wait, wait...who are they beheading?

lol well there's that. And there's also the fact that beheading someone with a knife isn't exactly easy from what I know. Takes some work around the spine, unless the guys a butcher or something he'd probably just be shooing people off while crouched over his first victim for a minute or so.
 

SirStev0

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No offense but I see a lot of "security guards" who are borderline intelligent guys with radios.

Their job is to call for backup and secure the area.

With that said, my go to in any of these theoretical attacker scenarios is a blunt object with considerable distance use. Preferably a folding chair. WWF style.
 

Gigantopithecus

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And there's also the fact that beheading someone with a knife isn't exactly easy from what I know.

It isn't. You're not going to behead someone with anything less than a large butcher knife unless you have a long time. Even with a butcher knife, getting through the cervical spine is extraordinarily difficult.

Haven't any of you cut someone's head off before?
 

destrekor

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It isn't. You're not going to behead someone with anything less than a large butcher knife unless you have a long time. Even with a butcher knife, getting through the cervical spine is extraordinarily difficult.

Haven't any of you cut someone's head off before?

Dammit you just reminded me that I had actually witnessed this, albeit, and thankfully, only through video.
Besides being the most disturbing thing I have ever witnessed (all that shock porn pales when you've unfortunately seen a real live person being slaughtered on video), it also entirely backs up what you just said. I only kept watching to determine if it was fake... entirely convinced it was not, though I to this day hope it was.
 

Kadarin

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Let's see, following the Neckbeard/HAL9000 school of thought, if you happened to be armed you shouldn't kill the attacker, but instead show your gun or machete or whatever to prove to him that you possess superior armament. Logically then, he would stop attacking and immediately surrender to be apprehended by the authorities. And a valuable, precious human life would be saved.
 

AeroEngy

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But dammit, some of us should at least try. So you may lose your own gamble and perish in the attempt.... we should be able to help each other out like that. Some people take daily life way to seriously and have a strange desire to see old age. I'll take whatever years I'm able to get, but I'm not going to go out of my way to avoid risk if someone else deserves an attempt to render aid. We're humans, and we should provide aid for our own. And hell, criminals killing others just to kill are disgusting examples of humanity, and the shot to take one of them out is equally as rewarding as the potential to save someone. Get to hit two birds with one stone: help a friendly, destroy an enemy.

Reminds me of this quote:
"The world is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look at it without doing anything" - Eistein

In my opinion I could not stand by and let something like that happen. But who knows how you would act until actually faced with the situation.
 

BurnItDwn

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Call for backup/911.
If decapitator dude is just normal sized dude, then rush at decapitator dude to knock his ass down.
300 pound man sprinting = lots of fvcking momentum!

but if the dude looks like he's worlds strongest man going on a roid rage, I would get the fvck out of there.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Call for backup/911.
If decapitator dude is just normal sized dude, then rush at decapitator dude to knock his ass down.
300 pound man sprinting = lots of fvcking momentum!

but if the dude looks like he's worlds strongest man going on a roid rage, I would get the fvck out of there.

If you tried rushing me, you'd at a minimum never have full use of one of your arms again and probably lose your life. It's stupid to rush someone with a knife unarmed regardless of how big you are or they are.
 

BurnItDwn

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If you tried rushing me, you'd at a minimum never have full use of one of your arms again and probably lose your life. It's stupid to rush someone with a knife unarmed regardless of how big you are or they are.

Good to know, thankfully I'm not a mall cop :)
 

MotF Bane

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Dec 22, 2006
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Well, let's think about this.

a) He's using a large blade, e.g. a machete, a katana, a sword - in which case, unarmed combat against him is futile.

OR

b) He's using a small blade, like a pocketknife, and is beheading people with it somehow - in which case, he clearly knows how to use a blade very well, and thus unarmed combat against him is futile.
 

IceBergSLiM

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As a mall cop I'm clearly an expert in high pressure CQC. First I would tighten my helmet and steer my segway in his direction. As I rolled by I would quickly break the perps neck with my hands. Next I would step off my segway and behead him tossing his skull down into the pretzel time kiosk. Then I would calmly roll away on my segway and head towards the arcade to wow the teen girls with my heroic story.
 
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SagaLore

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You're in a freakin' mall, run into the nearest store and grab a long bludgeoning weapon and take him out.