Your thoughts on this CPU water loop ?

[Grooveriding]

Hi there,

I want to put together a loop just for my CPU. I may expand it to include two video cards down the road once I replace these 480s so I am purchasing now with that in mind for later. This is what I have decided to go with.

Block: http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=102_199&products_id=1853

Rad: http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=154_69&products_id=1012

Pump: http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=157_71&products_id=1734f

Pump Top: http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=157_167&products_id=857

Reservoir: http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=122_124&products_id=1841

Tube: 10ft x http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=82_84&products_id=1952\

Fittings: 2 x http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=110_112&products_id=1742


Am I missing anything here or setting myself up for difficulties ? I ask this particularly in relation to the fittings I chose and ease of usage and installation. This is all going in an 800D. The radiator up at top of the case, the reservoir to the right of the motherboard and the pump down in the bottom area by the power supply.

I was hoping to recycle some fans I have for the res and use 3x Noctua NF-P12s. Will these be effective ? If not I was going to go with these : http://dazmode.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=87_88&products_id=1216

Once I upgrade and add my video cards, it will be 2 cards not 3 - I assume I'll need a second rad. At that point I'll put a 240 down in the bottom as well. Not sure if it will fit as my power supply is very long, but hopefully so.

Thanks in advance.

 

[adairusmc]

I just built a loop with a D5 pump, the XSPC radiator, and the same reservoir you have there, and it has been working awesome. I have been running my XSPC RX360 radiator for a while, and it has been great.

I also have everything mounted in an 800D, if you look at my thread here you can kind of see how I layed everything out, with it cooling two video cards, two radiators, the same reservoir and pump all layed out internally - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2218727

The fans you chose look good to me, I have found my RX360 radiator to work well with low CFM fans.

You might want to get yourself a couple of 90 degree fittings and maybe some 45 degree fittings just in case. I dont think I would have gotten the loop to look and work as nice without them in my 800D.

 

[Grooveriding]

You might want to get yourself a couple of 90 degree fittings and maybe some 45 degree fittings just in case. I dont think I would have gotten the loop to look and work as nice without them in my 800D.

Thanks for your input, that was exactly my concern as well.

I am a noobie to WC. But looking at your setup and other similar ones in an 800D I was thinking I would need some angled fittings as well. They're pricey at $25 per where I am going to buy this stuff.

I get the impression I will need maybe 4 ? One on the rad, one on the CPU block, one on the res and one on the pump ?

Just not sure if I need 45, 90 and where or a mix of 45 and 90 etc. I am guessing a 45 on the CPU, Rad and Pump and a 90 on the res with the rest as the plain straight fittings ? I am going to have one long out from the pump up into the rad(45? to 45?), a small out from rad to CPU block(straight? to 45?), out from block into res(straight? to 90?) and out of the res down into the pump(straight? to straight?). Really hard to have a sense of what will be needed where without seeing how the tubing will have to bend. I am trying to avoid not having what I need and waiting for more parts to arrive with another order and not wasting money.

What did you end up doing in your situation as my setup would be almost exactly the same, minus the additional rad. and GPU blocks.

Thanks

 

[adairusmc]

the direction I went, with how I set mine up, is that I have two 90 degree fittings on the reservoir, one 45 and one straight on the CPU, and one 45 and one straight on the bottom radiator. Everything else just uses straight barbs.


Are you in the US? I paid less than $10 per 90 degree rotary fitting for some nice enzotech ones from FrozenCPU - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1...te_Black_BRCPS-G14-12-90.html?tl=g30c407s1577

I got two 45s and two 90s when I ordered my stuff, just so I had options, and I used all of them. I only ended up with two extra straight fittings, and those were ones that came with my CPU block, so I think I had it figured out pretty good.

 

[thilanliyan]

Buy from NCIX. They are fairly cheap and you can pricematch any other store.

NCIX also has stores in the GTA now as well, if I'm correct about your location.

 

[Grooveriding]

Buy from NCIX. They are fairly cheap and you can pricematch any other store.

NCIX also has stores in the GTA now as well, if I'm correct about your location.

NCIX has a couple locations in the GTA now, there is one in Markham and one in Toronto in the northeast, maybe a 20 minutes drive from home for me. Problem is their selection is really poor on WC and almost everything is only stocked in BC :/

I believe Dazmode is located in the GTA, but he only does shipping, no pick up as far as I know. I can order from FrozenCPU but I'd prefer Daz because he's Canadian and with FrozenCPU I'd pay duty/tariffs for all but very small orders. Their shipping is also really expensive from past experience. Usually costs me $30 for their cheapest shipping to Canada (USPS Priority Mail) Contrast that to Daz which would be like $15 for UPS which would get to me the next day. He's a little more expensive on the actual price of items but I'm OK with that.

This is what I plan to do. I guess I am just going to have to chance it Hopefully I get what I need. My other problem with ordering elsewhere is I am going for a total white/black look with it. White tubing, black fittings and block. White top on the pump etc.

I think I can do a 45 fitting out of the pump into a straight fitting on the rad, a 45 fitting coming out of the rad to a 45 fitting going into the CPU block, a straight fitting from the block to a 90 degree on the res and a straight fitting out of the res into a straight fitting on the pump.

So I'm thinking 3 45s, a 90 and 4 straights.

Hopefully I get this right. :\

 

[OVerLoRDI]

That will fit very nicely in an 800D. Routing tubing can be a pain on the bottom there, there isn't a massive amount of space. I originally had a radiator mounted down there, but decided I didn't like having to route tubing in there. So I mounted both my radiators in the top half of the case. It is common to place pumps there however.

I'm not sure if you have ordered parts already, but you could go for a bay res/pump setup. Something like the Koolance RP-452x2 Rev 2.0 for example.

Your radiator selection is good, nice and thick. The radiator you have is about the same thickness as the EK one I have (63mm vs 64mm), so you can see how it will fit in the case with 25mm fans attached.

In the future if you add your GPUs to the loop you definitely will want another rad. You also might want to consider going dual loop, so that your graphics cards are not heating your CPU, and vice versa.

Here is the inside of my 800D to give you an idea of what I did in mine.

 

[Grooveriding]

Put in my order. Will post back next week on improvements seen.

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[FONT=&quot]EK-D5 X-TOP - Black Acetal G1/4 Rev.2 (EK-D5 X-TOP) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]GELID Silent12 1000RPM 120MM Quiet Fan 37CFM (GELID Silent12) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]1/2"ID - 3/4"OD Triple Rotary 90 Deg Compression Fitting -Black (BP-MB90R3CPF-CC5) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]1/2"ID - 3/4"OD Straight Compression Fitting - (Value Pack of 4) (1234B) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]EK-Supreme HF - Acetal-Nickel EN Rev4 - CPU WaterBlock (EK-Supreme HF R4 - AN EN) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]Feser Tube UV Hose - 1/2" ID - 3/4" OD - White - UV Blue (1') (Feser Tube UV Hose 1/2"ID-3/4"OD) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]UBER PURE KILLCOIL 99.9985% Silver Wire 0.5mm - 250mm (11469-G9) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]DazMode STORM D5 VARIO 8-24V Pump (D5T VARIO) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]Bitspower Water Tank Z-Multi 250 - 60mm Tube Reservoir - Clear (BP-WTZM250P-BK) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]Performance Triple 120mm Radiator XSPC RX360 (RX360) [/FONT]​

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[FONT=&quot]1/2"ID - 3/4"OD Rotary 45 Deg. Angled Compression Fitting -Black (BP-MB45R2CPF-CC5 V2) [/FONT]​

 

[Grooveriding]

My stuff arrived today. I have a quick question of anyone (adairusmc ^^) who is familiar with these Bitspower reservoirs.

There are three openings on the bottom, which I plan to use two of for intake/outake, and one on top.

The top opening has a piece on the inner side of the top lid with three smalls holes in it. Is this for placing LED lights in, or is it a system meant to eliminate bubbles somehow ?

This is the top lid with the single opening and the piece I am referring to screwed into it from the inside.

This is that small piece removed

 

[adairusmc]

It is supposedly for eliminating bubbles, I moved it to the bottom for my output to my pump, the other one on the bottom with the silver tube I used as my inlet. The last plug, a clear one, has a small hole in there, and that is for placing an LED, which I used with a single LED I had from my last loop.

The top I use as a fill port and just use the stop plug with.

 

[Grooveriding]

Well I got it put together and am leak testing atm. I think I made a booboo somewhere or I'm just missing some knowledge. The water seems to be moving really violently. My reservoir is not fully topped off and the water is bustling through like crazy. I've seen videos of water cooling loops and the water seems to be much more gentle.

I can hear it the water rushing around through the res I have my D5 vario on setting '2' which is low so I don't think I am pumping it too fast. At a loss here. My PC sounds like a fountain atm. lol

This is how it looks the outlet from pump is the long one going up to the rad, the inlet to the pump is the right sided tube running down

NM. EPIC FAIL.

Just saw what I did. inlet/outlet on the pump is backwards.. ffs.. I have to drain and start over...RAGE

lol

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Looking good.

I have also realized my watercooling mistakes after writing a whole post and then when I finally post a picture it smacks me in the face

 

[Kenmitch]

Well I got it put together and am leak testing atm. I think I made a booboo somewhere or I'm just missing some knowledge. The water seems to be moving really violently. My reservoir is not fully topped off and the water is bustling through like crazy. I've seen videos of water cooling loops and the water seems to be much more gentle.

I can hear it the water rushing around through the res I have my D5 vario on setting '2' which is low so I don't think I am pumping it too fast. At a loss here. My PC sounds like a fountain atm. lol

This is how it looks the outlet from pump is the long one going up to the rad, the inlet to the pump is the right sided tube running down

NM. EPIC FAIL.

Just saw what I did. inlet/outlet on the pump is backwards.. ffs.. I have to drain and start over...RAGE

lol

Isn't your CPU block in the wrong orientation as in sideways. You need to look at the install guide. Inlet on bottom, outlet on top

http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/EK-IM/EK-IM-3830046990211.pdf

 

[RavenSEAL]

Wow, that stuff is expensive D:

 

[Kenmitch]

Wow, that stuff is expensive D:

The initial investment is somewhat pricey. In the end tho it's nice to know that your overclock is gonna be based on what your chip can do instead of how high you can go before temps get insane.

Water isn't the cure all for temps....But it sure does give a person alot more headroom on the temps before they are an issue.

A 3930K @ 4.7 has gotta be pumping out alot of heat under heavy loads. Depending on vcore required I could picture it being throttled on air with something like LinX or IBT.

 

[Grooveriding]

Isn't your CPU block in the wrong orientation as in sideways. You need to look at the install guide. Inlet on bottom, outlet on top

http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/EK-IM/EK-IM-3830046990211.pdf

There is nothing explicit in the instructions saying the the inlet needs to be on the bottom or the outlet on top, just to use the correct inlet/outlet connector. I do see what you are saying looking at the way the block is oriented in the visuals in the instructions.

Going to have to research this now :/ Hopefully it's not the case as it will be a real pain to drain again and cut new tubing to accomodate shifting the block 45 degrees.

Still leak testing, guess I should wait overnight as people recommmend. No leaks yet though and the noise has tapered off, I think it was air working its way out of the system.

 

[Kenmitch]

There is nothing explicit in the instructions saying the the inlet needs to be on the bottom or the outlet on top, just to use the correct inlet/outlet connector. I do see what you are saying looking at the way the block is oriented in the visuals in the instructions.

With the current orientation you'll get air trapped in the upper part of the CPU block as there will be no way out for it as far as I can tell.

Going by the pdf look at the photos in the following steps.
Step 2 See (Top) it's the Top of the top....Double meaning ???
Step 6 Notice memory slots on right side. Inlet down Outlet up
AMD mounting plate step 2.1 then look at a AMD motherboard mounts. The inlet would be down the outlet would be up.

EDIT: Did google search and most people state it doesn't matter which way as long as the flow is correct. Pretty much seen every way except the outlet down on the Intel rigs.

Still leak testing, guess I should wait overnight as people recommmend. No leaks yet though and the noise has tapered off, I think it was air working its way out of the system.

I could never resist the temptation. I'd purge air out and look for leaks. If no leaks were visible I'd boot her up! Of course from time to time I'd give it a look to make sure it wasn't leaking. Only leak I've ever had was a XSPC dual bay/pump top res as I guess it fit too tight in my HAF's bays which made the seems shift/leak after about a week or so.

 

[Grooveriding]

I really want to power it up, but am going to play it safe. I still have a lot of these really tiny bubbles in the bottom area of my tube reservoir. I hope these will work themselves out of there, they're just sitting there now for hours.

 

[Kenmitch]

Those little tiny bubbles will last a day or two most likely. Did you tip the case around to dislodge trapped air yet? Looking at your photo you'd wanna lift the back of the case up and tilt it forward alot to dislodge any air in your rad and then tilt it sideways to dislodge any air that's trapped in the cpu block. If you have any trapped air you'll see it and hear it pretty much right away. You may have to add more water to your res or burp the air out of it.

How's the temps on the video cards? They kinda look pretty tight on that motherboard. Although it does look pretty bad ass!

Your gonna post some before and after temps?

 

[Grooveriding]

I did plenty of tipping and all sorts of movement

I think there is an issue though. There is a lot of turbulence in the reservoir, the water bubbles furiously when the loop is on. I fired it up and my temperatures on my CPU are not good. Seeing 65-70C at load.

When I touch the tube coming up out of the pump to the radiator and the tube coming down from the reservoir to the pump I can feel strong water movement. Conversely, when I touch the tube coming from the radiator to the CPU block I can't really feel much of anything, the same for the tube coming back out of the block to the reservoir.

I made a small youtube video showing the level of gurgling/turbulence in the reservoir, forgive the quality, it's done with a tablet. :/ Ahhh, headaches.

http://youtu.be/_hreq3Ks9mA

Any idea what the issue may be ? I'm considering switching the inlet/outlet around on the radiator, might this be the issue ?

Thanks

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Hmmm those temps are not good at all...

Also your weird flow issues are strange. From pictures everything looks fine. The only thing to check would be the installation of the pump top or the reservoir.

 

[Kenmitch]

I doubt switching the inlet and outlet around on the radiator would help at all. It does look like you got some intense water action going on in the res forsure.

You might wanna double check the res and pump top as suggested by OVerLoRDI. I'm not familiar with the res but the turbulance doesn't look normal to me. It almost looks like maybe the pump is by-passing back into the res or something. Still trying to picture it but the tissue paper is kinda messing with my mind

My loop is kinda simple/basic I see very little turbulance in my res and if I feel my hoses the all kinda feel the same to me.

 

[Grooveriding]

Yeah, I must have screwed the pooch somewhere. I don't suppose there could be some sort of obstruction/defect in the radiator flow ?

I'll tear it apart and have at it again tomorrow maybe. It's very cool but really time consuming when you have to adjust it. I'm thinking to maybe flip the reservoir and intake from the block up top and outlet to the pump at the bottom.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Yeah, I must have screwed the pooch somewhere. I don't suppose there could be some sort of obstruction/defect in the radiator flow ?

Its possible, but I still think it is more likely that the reservoir or the pump top install didn't work out 100% right.

EDIT: after looking at your pictures, I believe your reservoir is setup correctly. I can't confirm the pump top, since I'm having trouble figuring out which is the input/output on the pump.

I'll tear it apart and have at it again tomorrow maybe. It's very cool but really time consuming when you have to adjust it. I'm thinking to maybe flip the reservoir and intake from the block up top and outlet to the pump at the bottom.

Hang in there. Sometimes watercooling can be frustrating, but ultimately I think you will find it worthwhile once you figure out what your issue is. Once you get it up and running your loop will be pretty low maintenance.

Also PM aigomorla he might have some suggestions.

 

[badb0y]

Any updates? Were you able to solve the problem?