your thoughts on the p-4 533 fsb lol

[Wolfsraider]

i'm getting one soon and well help me out tell me all the good and bad

thanks

 

[imgod2u]

The Northwood-B's, now people who buy their chip and keep it at stock speed can get what overclockers have had since the Northwood came out

 

[smp]

The Northwood-B's, now people who buy their chip and keep it at stock speed can get what overclockers have had since the Northwood came out

hehehe
I see no reason to get anything higher than a 1.6a .. or maybe a 1.8 .. just OC it to those speeds, save yourself some cash

 

[Rallispec]

good:
fast as hell

bad:
expensive as hell

you really getting one?

 

[fkloster]

fast as hell...stable....cool... (literally)

 

[Athlon4all]

I think that they are the fastest CPU avialable today. If you are going to spend that money, than I'd get it. And further, it really is difficult not to suggest getting a 1.6A or 1.8A and a 850 mobo and oc to PC1066+533fsb or maybe for the really daring, PC1200+600fsb on the 1.6A.

 

[Thor86]

With good ram (samsung from googlegear), and good mobo (Asus P4T-E with ics glock gens), you can overclock a 1.6 to 2.1, or 1.8 to 2.4 at 4 x 133 fsb. Fast, fast, fast.

 

[renorocks]

I just built a P4 2.0ghz system with an Asus P4S533 motherboard / 1gb ddr 333mhz ram / highpoint rocket raid ata 133 controller / (4) Maxtor ata 133 drives @ raid 0 / Radeon 8500 video / Mitsumi 40x cdrw / sony dvd. I build high end systems for a living and must say that this is a pretty cool system for something that is Intel based.
I have not overclocked the system yet, but as it sits, it is very stable and yes....it's fast. The fastest system I have built for resale is a dual athlon xp system with a Tyan S2460 motherboard (the rest of the system is pretty much like the above intel based one). The amd system was just as stable and mucho faster When processing graphics through adobe photoshop. Gaming performance was similar with the edge going to the Athlon system. The athlon system did cost appx. $200 more with 266 mhz ddr ram as opposed to the Intel system's 333 mhz ddr ram.

Anyway....the system you are building sound pretty cool and should do the trick if your thing is gaming or sound editing. Have fun.

 

[madthumbs]

Looks like a negligible difference in performance to me. Synthetic memmory benchmarks aren't worth getting it for. Overclocking still doesn't scale as well as an XP cpu (66MHz ~= 100MHz on a P4). Athlon is still where it's at IMHO, not to mention no OC'ing needed to get your money's worth.

 

[fkloster]

<< Athlon is still where it's at IMHO, not to mention no OC'ing needed to get your money's worth >>



Hmmm. I think Intel owns the price/performance crown if you are an overclocker. Perhaps not if your not.

1) P4 1.8 @ 2.4 ghz

2) 400mhz fsb @ 533mhz fsb

3) PC-800 @ PC-1066

Amd XP processors do not have an answer for this succesfull Intel overclock @ a relatively cheep price...

 

[Wolfsraider]

<< good:
fast as hell

bad:
expensive as hell

you really getting one?
>>



yes it should be here tommorow but i ran into a snag as atacom doesn't know when they will have anymore p4te mobo with the new ics gnerators and i had to cancel the order on that so hmmm still looking at my options at this point i am seriously thinking about the th7ll raid board for now but am waiting for the credit card to be reimbursed so i don't have to spend any cash just yet lol

any ideas welcomed

 

[madthumbs]

Newegg No OC;

AMD Athlon XP 1800+/266 FSB PROCESSOR RETAIL $112 +free shipping
Intel Pentium4 1.8A GHz 512K Socket 478 Processor 400MHz Processor Bus $185 +$6.95 s/h

Difference; $79.95 more for a slower cpu.

Now take the example;

1) P4 1.8 @ 2.4 ghz @ $194.95

and for less money you can get;

AMD ATHLON XP 2000+/266 FSB PROCESSOR CPU - RETAIL BOX + Free shipping! $181.00

You should be able to bring an XP2000 to a competetive speed as a P4 1.8 (OC'd) via OC'ing, and you have the piece of mind that it can at least outdo the other cpu without OC'ing. Remember that the XP scales better, so it wouldn't have to be OC'd nearly as much to wring out the same performance. If you have the money to blow and want the fastest... why not a AMD ATHLON XP 2100+/266 FSB PROCESSOR CPU - RETAIL BOX for $231.00 +$6.95 shipping (Only $43 more than a 1.8GHz P4). Sure... Intel's closing the gap... but it's still wide open from where I'm sitting.

 

[fkloster]

Thumbs, one other benefit of bringing that 1.8 P4 to 2.4 is the 533fsb (PC 1066). Once again...if you don't overclock, I agree with you whole heartedly.

 

[AGodspeed]

If you overclock, the Northwood-A and Northwood-B processors are the best choice IMHO. If you don't overclock, the Athlon XP processors are your best choice IMHO.

 

[Windogg]

Fastest System: P4 Northwood-B w/ i850E and RDRAM
Best Value: Athlon XP w/ KT333 and DDR-SDRAM
Best OCer: P4 Northwood-A w/ SIS645 and DDR-SDRAM

Windogg

 

[Sid03]

<< You should be able to bring an XP2000 to a competetive speed as a P4 1.8 (OC'd) via OC'ing, >>

you'd have to overclock that chip from 1666mhz to at least 1900mhz. i don't know of anyone with air cooling that has gotten their athlon that high. and if you want to overclock that athlon at all, you are going to be spending ~$50 on a new hs/fan, one that's undoubtedly loud. and that doesn't take into consideration the case fans needed.

so, for about $30 more you can have an athlon that is much louder and runs much hotter, and if you are very lucky, performs about the same as an overclocked p4-1.8ghz.



<< If you have the money to blow and want the fastest... why not a AMD ATHLON XP 2100+/266 FSB PROCESSOR CPU - RETAIL BOX for $231.00 +$6.95 shipping (Only $43 more than a 1.8GHz P4). >>

ummm... a p4-1.8ghz @ 2.4ghz will leave that 1733mhz athlon in the dust.



<< Overclocking still doesn't scale as well as an XP cpu (66MHz ~= 100MHz on a P4) >>

great... another zealot who has embraced the pr. that formula may have been true with a willamete, or maybe even a 400fsb nw. but at 533mhz, the bar has been raised.

 

[madthumbs]

Skimming through the reviews posted here;

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=780323&highlight_key=y&keyword1=533

I would come to the conclusion that the 533 bus for the P4 makes a negligible difference (synthetic memmory 'bandwidth' benchmarks aside), and the biggest difference is had when coupled with the i850e chipset which requires RDram and just came out. Now we're talking more money for the mobo, and ram. If I take a P4 and OC it 300MHz, I would only have to OC an equivalent XP 198MHz to attain better performance. Please correct me If I'm wrong here. The only reason I could see for taking a P4 solution is if you had stupid money and wanted the absolute fastest processor you could get. I won't argue that you can get faster performance through the P4 route... but the bang for the buck award has to go to AMD wether OC'ing or not. I could be wrong... please provide evidence if I am.

 

[JackBurton]

<< I would come to the conclusion that the 533 bus for the P4 makes a negligible difference (synthetic memmory 'bandwidth' benchmarks aside), and the biggest difference is had when coupled with the i850e chipset which requires RDram and just came out. >>


The 533MHz FSB is NOT a negligible difference and a 533MHz FSB can be obtain by the Abit TH7-II (i850) which has been out for awhile and good PC800 (Samsung). The board goes for about $138 (without RAID) and the CPU (1.8A GHz) goes for about $185. With this setup you don't need to purchase a LOUD delta fan, expensive HS and a million case fans. An intake, exhaust and the retail fan would keep the P4 happy at 2.4GHz+.

Check out the difference between 533MHz FSB and 400MHz FSB:

QuakeIII

Notice on the first chart, the difference between a 2.4GHz 400MHz P4 and a 2.4GHz 533MHz FSB P4. The difference is ~40FPS! I don't call that negligible and this is an actual game, not a "synthetic" benchmark. Also note that the XP 2400+ barely keeps up with the P4 2.4GHz at 400MHz FSB. And the P4 is I'm sure MUCH quieter.

 

[madthumbs]

Wouldn't that be an impressive 22.3 fps, not ~40fps? How do other benchmarks compare as we see that some games/ programs are heavily optimised for certain cpus. Even if it's only 22.3fps, that is impressive enough, though this range of cpu's is out of the price range that I would buy from, and the range doesn't even exist in AMD's cpu's yet. More info?

Btw, for those who think I'm being a zealot; I entered this thread to learn as well as share any insight I may have. I'm actually considering a P4 for a future upgrade, but at this point I don't think it would be worth it.

Btw, thanks Jack for pointing this out.

Concerning noise and OC'ing athlons... I think it just depends on how efficient of a cooling setup you have. I got a dual fan HSF that is as quiet as the retail HSF. It appears to cool the cpu 10 degrees more than a loud 2nd best rated (when I got it) HSF. It's 80F here, and my 1900xp is running at 40C with it.

PS. I heard a rumor that not all the P4's were quite as OC'able as the ones sent for reviews. Any truth to this?

 

[Zukatah]

There are some early batches of 1.6a and 1.8a that were more difficult to overclock but since then the «problem» has been worked around and everyone with a good mobo and some good ram can overclock their cpu at a reasonable level. For the 1.6a, I haven't heard someone that had much trouble doing 133fsb and for the 1.8a 120fsb is easilly reachable with 133fsb in sight if you are wiling to up that voltage a little bit more.

 

[JackBurton]

<< Wouldn't that be an impressive 22.3 fps, not ~40fps? >>


No, it is actually 37.6 FPS difference. The proccessors you want to compare are the P4 2.4GHz (2400/100/400) and the P4 2.4GHz (2400/133/533), as the P4 2.4GHz (2400/100/400) is the default speed for 100MHz FSB P4s.

 

[madthumbs]

<<

<< Wouldn't that be an impressive 22.3 fps, not ~40fps? >>


No, it is actually 37.6 FPS difference. The proccessors you want to compare are the P4 2.4GHz (2400/100/400) and the P4 2.4GHz (2400/133/533), as the P4 2.4GHz (2400/100/400) is the default speed for 100MHz FSB P4s. >>



-Thanks again.... point taken!

 

[JackBurton]

No problem man.