Your right, it is a quagmire

[charrison]

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PRISTINA, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) - Two separate explosions ripped through Kosovo's capital on Sunday evening, targeting a police station and the vicinity of the district court.

After years of UN occupation, it looks like folks are still not happy and we still have troops there....

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Its sad and horrible for terrorism to occur anywhere. But because terrorism occurs doesn't mean Kosovo is a "quagmire".

The term quagmire of course refers back to Vietnam, and it has come to mean several things in the context of the occupation of Iraq:

1) US forces occupying a land without a clear exit strategy
2) Little or no internationalization of the conflict
3) Our troops facing constant guerrilla warfare


None of these applies to Kosovo.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Its sad and horrible for terrorism to occur anywhere. But because terrorism occurs doesn't mean Kosovo is a "quagmire".

The term quagmire of course refers back to Vietnam, and it has come to mean several things in the context of the occupation of Iraq:

1) US forces occupying a land without a clear exit strategy
2) Little or no internationalization of the conflict
3) Our troops facing constant guerrilla warfare


None of these applies to Kosovo.

I'm curious, where did you get that definition from or did you just make it up on the spot?

 

[MonstaThrilla]

I was stating what the term has come to mean in this country. And the context it was used to describe Vietnam, as well as why some have chosen to describe Iraq using that word.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Its sad and horrible for terrorism to occur anywhere. But because terrorism occurs doesn't mean Kosovo is a "quagmire".

The term quagmire of course refers back to Vietnam, and it has come to mean several things in the context of the occupation of Iraq:

1) US forces occupying a land without a clear exit strategy
2) Little or no internationalization of the conflict
3) Our troops facing constant guerrilla warfare


None of these applies to Kosovo.

1. We have use forces there, and they have no exit strategy.
2. Most of the Forces in Kosovo are US forces
3. This stuff happens somewhat frequenty, I guess we will have to debate what is constant.

Seems like a quagmire from here.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: charrison


1. We have use forces there, and they have no exit strategy.
2. Most of the Forces in Kosovo are US forces
3. This stuff happens somewhat frequenty, I guess we will have to debate what is constant.

Seems like a quagmire from here.

From your article:

Kosovo has been administered by the United Nations and NATO-led peacekeepers since June 1999, following a 78-day alliance bombing campaign to force an end to a crackdown on ethnic Albanian militants led by former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.

About 4,000 U.N. police officers patrol Kosovo alongside 5,000 local officers.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: charrison


1. We have use forces there, and they have no exit strategy.
2. Most of the Forces in Kosovo are US forces
3. This stuff happens somewhat frequenty, I guess we will have to debate what is constant.

Seems like a quagmire from here.

From your article:

Kosovo has been administered by the United Nations and NATO-led peacekeepers since June 1999, following a 78-day alliance bombing campaign to force an end to a crackdown on ethnic Albanian militants led by former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.

About 4,000 U.N. police officers patrol Kosovo alongside 5,000 local officers.

I think we still have 3000-4000 US troops still there...

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I was stating what the term has come to mean in this country. And the context it was used to describe Vietnam, as well as why some have chosen to describe Iraq using that word.

So, where did you get the information that is what the term quagmire has come to mean in this country? I repeat, did you just make it up or did you get that definition from some source?

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I was stating what the term has come to mean in this country. And the context it was used to describe Vietnam, as well as why some have chosen to describe Iraq using that word.

So, where did you get the information that is what the term quagmire has come to mean in this country? I repeat, did you just make it up or did you get that definition from some source?

Actually, its interesting that you bring this up. I'm actually writing my own dictionary.

I'm calling it "The Dictionary of Debatable Terms That Will Be Most Likely Nitpicked to Death on Internet Forums".

To answer your question, I didn't just pull that definition out of my ass. I'm not defining a cat to be a dog. I'm not redefining the definition of "is". I'm not defining weapons of mass destruction to be a trailer that-may-have-been-but-the-British-who-sold-it-said-isn't able to produce such weapons.

I restated what I think that word has come to mean, and I provided an explanation of why people have been using that term to describe Iraq but not Kosovo.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I was stating what the term has come to mean in this country. And the context it was used to describe Vietnam, as well as why some have chosen to describe Iraq using that word.

So, where did you get the information that is what the term quagmire has come to mean in this country? I repeat, did you just make it up or did you get that definition from some source?

Actually, its interesting that you bring this up. I'm actually writing my own dictionary.

I'm calling it "The Dictionary of Debatable Terms That Will Be Most Likely Nitpicked to Death on Internet Forums".

To answer your question, I didn't just pull that definition out of my ass. I'm not defining a cat to be a dog. I'm not redefining the definition of "is". I'm not defining weapons of mass destruction to be a trailer that-may-have-been-but-the-British-who-sold-it-said-isn't able to produce such weapons.

I restated what I think that word has come to mean, and I provided an explanation of why people have been using that term to describe Iraq but not Kosovo.

ok, I got it, That is your definition of what the term means.

That's all you had to say.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I was stating what the term has come to mean in this country. And the context it was used to describe Vietnam, as well as why some have chosen to describe Iraq using that word.

So, where did you get the information that is what the term quagmire has come to mean in this country? I repeat, did you just make it up or did you get that definition from some source?

How quickly they forget. We just had this talk this morning. (Link) You continue to prove my point.

Instead of a content-free attack, why don't you offer a useful reply? Is there something about his definition you disagree with? If so, then stop playing games and state your case. Do you have a better definition? Share it. Contribute something instead of trying to shout people down.

(By the way, since you said you wanted to refute the evidence that Bush lied, I bumped several threads with plenty of specific claims. Most of them have drifted down the page again, but they're easy to find if you're serious. If, on the other hand, you just want to keep attacking people and dodging any issues raised, never mind.)

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
I was stating what the term has come to mean in this country. And the context it was used to describe Vietnam, as well as why some have chosen to describe Iraq using that word.

So, where did you get the information that is what the term quagmire has come to mean in this country? I repeat, did you just make it up or did you get that definition from some source?

How quickly they forget. We just had this talk this morning. (Link) You continue to prove my point.

Instead of a content-free attack, why don't you offer a useful reply? Is there something about his definition you disagree with? If so, then stop playing games and state your case. Do you have a better definition? Share it. Contribute something instead of trying to shout people down.

(By the way, since you said you wanted to refute the evidence that Bush lied, I bumped several threads with plenty of specific claims. Most of them have drifted down the page again, but they're easy to find if you're serious. If, on the other hand, you just want to keep attacking people and dodging any issues raised, never mind.)

I was on a plane all afternoon, driving to a hotel and getting setteled in said hotel room. Dont't take my ignoring your drivel as some sort of victory on your part. It isn't.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: etech
I was on a plane all afternoon, driving to a hotel and getting setteled in said hotel room. Dont't take my ignoring your drivel as some sort of victory on your part. It isn't.

Not at all. I don't expect you to live on these forums. I'm heading to bed myself.

The real test will be whether you're willing to stick your neck out a bit and show us that you can think about and respond to issues and questions. Can you actually defend Bush, or is your repertoire limited to attacks and dodges? Will you denounce everything as "drivel" and change the subject, or will you offer counter-evidence and thoughtful analysis? I set it up for you. Are you up to the challenge?

You're not off to a very good start, however. You didn't address any of the points I made above. Instead, you went after me -- just like this morning.

Oh well, hope you had a good flight and found a decent room. Good night.

 

[DealMonkey]

quag·mire ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kwgmr, kwg-)
n.
Land with a soft muddy surface.
A difficult or precarious situation; a predicament.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: etech
I was on a plane all afternoon, driving to a hotel and getting setteled in said hotel room. Dont't take my ignoring your drivel as some sort of victory on your part. It isn't.

Not at all. I don't expect you to live on these forums. I'm heading to bed myself.

The real test will be whether you're willing to stick your neck out a bit and show us that you can think about and respond to issues and questions. Can you actually defend Bush, or is your repertoire limited to attacks and dodges? Will you denounce everything as "drivel" and change the subject, or will you offer counter-evidence and thoughtful analysis? I set it up for you. Are you up to the challenge?

You're not off to a very good start, however. You didn't address any of the points I made above. Instead, you went after me -- just like this morning.

Oh well, hope you had a good flight and found a decent room. Good night.

Can you get past posting your rhetoric as fact. You also aren't off to a very good start. Now please try to get back on some subject other than posting about me. That would be a good start on your part.

 

[Drift3r]

etech man Bowfinger is right you need to stop acting like a 5 year old and actually respond to the issues and questions raised instead of making personal attacks.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: charrison
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PRISTINA, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) - Two separate explosions ripped through Kosovo's capital on Sunday evening, targeting a police station and the vicinity of the district court.

After years of UN occupation, it looks like folks are still not happy and we still have troops there....

What are you proposing/suggesting?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: charrison
linkage

PRISTINA, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) - Two separate explosions ripped through Kosovo's capital on Sunday evening, targeting a police station and the vicinity of the district court.

After years of UN occupation, it looks like folks are still not happy and we still have troops there....

What are you proposing/suggesting?

1. I am suggesting that all military operations are not without resistance that lasts beyond the major battles. There have been no major battles in kosovo in many years, but there exists part of the population that is not happy with the current peace keeping setup. Draw any parallels to current events that you wish.

2. We are sorely in need of an exist strategy for kosovo. We have no economic or political interests in kosovo and it is time for europe to tidy things up.

 

[jjones]

LOL, I love these "we have no exit strategy" posts concerning Iraq. Here's a clue:

Re-establish the government in Iraq
Establish a constitution and a democratic election process
Re-establish the police force in Iraq
Re-establish the military force in Iraq
Re-build the infrastructure
Re-build the economy

All of these things are happening. I'll repeat for the dense of mind, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING. If you disagree, please show where the US has ignored any of these issues or has not already taken action. What we do not have is an exact timeline. When they are complete, especially the police and military, we can begin leaving the security of the new government up to Iraqis.

What concerns me is the war that nearly everyone supported. We have no exit strategy for Afghanistan; it is a quagmire. Kosovo is similarly a quagmire, although not as bad.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: charrison
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PRISTINA, Serbia-Montenegro (AP) - Two separate explosions ripped through Kosovo's capital on Sunday evening, targeting a police station and the vicinity of the district court.

After years of UN occupation, it looks like folks are still not happy and we still have troops there....

How many American Soldiers have died there policing that region?

.

 

[B00ne]

dunno about the deaths, but here is the composition of the forces:

Current international contributions to KFOR include:

Canada 700
France 4,100
Germany 4,400
Greece 500
Italy 2,400
Netherlands 400
United Kingdom 10,200
United States 4,500
TOTAL 28,000

 

[CaptnKirk]

Quote:

Re-establish the government in Iraq
Establish a constitution and a democratic election process
Re-establish the police force in Iraq
Re-establish the military force in Iraq
Re-build the infrastructure
Re-build the economy

Looks like they are trying to put together in Iraq everything that they have succeded in
taking apart here, with the exception of our military force, being present there.

Government (Manipulation of voting districts)
Constitution and Elections (Individual rights / Election laws)
Police Force (Cut funding to States)
Infrastructure (Worst condition in the last 50 years)
Economy (Destroyed for Corporate proffit)
All these have been selectively taken down in our own country,
so Iraq gets to have there what we can't have in our own country.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Quote:

Re-establish the government in Iraq
Establish a constitution and a democratic election process
Re-establish the police force in Iraq
Re-establish the military force in Iraq
Re-build the infrastructure
Re-build the economy

Looks like they are trying to put together in Iraq everything that they have succeded in
taking apart here, with the exception of our military force, beeing present there.

Government (Manipulation of voting districts)
Constitution and Elections (Individual rights / Election laws)
Police Force (Cut funding to States)
Infrastructure (Worst condition in the last 50 years)
Economy (Destroyed for Corporate proffit)
All these have been selectively taken down in our own country,
so Iraq gets to have there what we can't have in our own country.

You won't find any arguement from me on this comparison.