Your rebuttal to my friend's argument?

[imported_Tomato]

"i dunno, but overall i dont like the pacification of men. it isnt that i am for men to act like brutes or grunts. yes, acting brutish does seem a bit retarded or can be viewed as 'stupid' or lack of tact; however, i must add that men have to be aggressive by nature, because it is God's design and purpose.

that is why there are more men who are in power and who lead nations, companies, or organizations. it isnt about the limelight or about the fame, glory, power or what ever you might call it. i think it is more about nature and duty.

it doesnt seem right for a woman to go hunting and beat off big scary animals (these days big and scary are relative so a tiny rat can appear big and scary) and for the man to scury away. but then again that might be more or less a culture or social myth that has somehow imprinted itself into our pschye much like you should give something during Christmas (when it is actually Christ's b-day and not someone else's bonus b-day) or like you should say 'bless you' when someone sneezes."

He's extremely religious and has a tendancy to speak down to people, but those facts aside, your thoughts on his logic?

 

[kt]

What logic?

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: kt
What logic?

 

[tomwolfman]

fuzzy logic! my rebuttal "fire your speechwriter dude,he's worse than the one gw got"

 

[Heisenberg]

I think he's got a point in there somewhere about men being more physical and aggressive by nature than women. The rest of it seems to be just rambling though.

 

[Ronstang]

He is basically right, so what is your point?

 

[iwearnosox]

You need to hike up that skirt and show me some of that space booty!

 

[tomwolfman]

its a he

 

[Wallydraigle]

Can't argue with a few million years of natural selection.

 

[Savij]

The physical aspect of it has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with fighting off other men and being able to protect their future children from the competition of other potential mates. Therefore, men should not be in power, they should be the grunts and peons while the women do the thinking.

 

[matt426malm]

He's extremely religous, well there ya go. lol Hmm. maybe he does have some sort of a point men are somewhat more agreessive then females, in general. there are some quite ambitious women though too.

 

[spanner]

fuzzy logic! my rebuttal "fire your speechwriter dude,he's worse than the one gw got"

What he said

 

[Savij]

BTW, you're not going to convince your friend of anything unless you can pull it out of the bible so there is no point.

 

[Spoooon]

Oddly enough, some of his "arguement" is loosely supported by evolutionary psychology, the combination of evolutionary biology and cognitive psychology.

I just thought that was funny because of your saying he's a religious nut.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Dezign
"i dunno, but overall i dont like the pacification of men. it isnt that i am for men to act like brutes or grunts. yes, acting brutish does seem a bit retarded or can be viewed as 'stupid' or lack of tact; however, i must add that men have to be aggressive by nature, because it is God's design and purpose.

that is why there are more men who are in power and who lead nations, companies, or organizations. it isnt about the limelight or about the fame, glory, power or what ever you might call it. i think it is more about nature and duty.

it doesnt seem right for a woman to go hunting and beat off big scary animals (these days big and scary are relative so a tiny rat can appear big and scary) and for the man to scury away. but then again that might be more or less a culture or social myth that has somehow imprinted itself into our pschye much like you should give something during Christmas (when it is actually Christ's b-day and not someone else's bonus b-day) or like you should say 'bless you' when someone sneezes."

He's extremely religious and has a tendancy to speak down to people, but those facts aside, your thoughts on his logic?

So are you trying to say, Dezign, that you wish men to be "pacified"? Aside from the religious blathering, I think he's basically right. Men and women are entirely different creatures; denying this is stupid (even if there are individuals who do not fit the archetype). Men should be men, women should be women.

 

[Belethgaladwen]

I agree with most of what your friend had to say. After all, I would want a real man, not a pacified pretty boy. However, I'd like to know what he would think of cultures in which the grunt work is left to the women.

 

[ajpa123]

You mentioned hunting.. and my lame brain started thinkin...

I was just thinking about 'back in the day' when we all lived in caves.. the men would go hunting.. we all know that.. did the women cook the killed animal or the did the men?.. anyone know?
Or did the women run things and the men did all the physical work.. lol

And for someone who's religous and talks down to people, that's just a bad combination.. i hope he doesn't force his views on anyone or treat people differently if their beliefs differ from his.

AJ.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: ajpa123
You mentioned hunting.. and my lame brain started thinkin...

I was just thinking about 'back in the day' when we all lived in caves.. the men would go hunting.. we all know that.. did the women cook the killed animal or the did the men?.. anyone know?
Or did the women run things and the men did all the physical work.. lol

And for someone who's religous and talks down to people, that's just a bad combination.. i hope he doesn't force his views on anyone or treat people differently if their beliefs differ from his.

AJ.

Ancient cave drawings revealed that a woman would briefly share in cave chores but quicky grew tired, took half of everything and moved to another man's cave nearby.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: Savij
BTW, you're not going to convince your friend of anything unless you can pull it out of the bible so there is no point.

I know, I know... but he has such a one-sided, black/white view of things that it gets uber-frustrating. I guess I don't understand how people can stick so stubbornly to ONE viewpoint without even considering others.

 

[Savij]

If you really want to get into it, male's larger (in general) phsyical attributes are usually due to competition with other males. It's not necessarily an asset for hunting because it can make the hunter less stealthy. As for politics and power, that has even less to do with size and aggression than hunting. This is entirely a result of culture. Western culture has held women back, but there have been and still are other cultures where women are dominant and are the decision makers.


Oh and women are generally more aggressive than men, but usually not in a physical way. Women tend to show aggression more in more subtle ways (a woman is more likely to fvck with your mind than to b!tchslap you).

 

[Gulzakar]

When was the last time you saw a group of men being catty?... you'd think women would be the larger gender....kind of like Spiders.

 

[JohnTit0r]

Just say "Oh yeah? Well you'll never be able to sell your eggs!". That'll learn 'im.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
When was the last time you saw a group of men being catty?... you'd think women would be the larger gender....kind of like Spiders.

Men are physically aggressive, but women tend to be aggressive more often. They tend to show aggression in a non-physical way. Aggression does not neccessarily imply that the gender/species will get larger b/c it would very quickly lead to people the size of dinosaurs.

 

[BatmanNate]

I don't view it as universal, for instance in some species the female is the mightier. (especially in the insect/arachnid world) In humans, evolution would have it that the male generally has greater physical strength, and perhaps these other leadership traits that your friend listed are cultural dividends from a time when physical strength made a logical progression to all other forms of dominence. Like with all things there is a yin to every yang so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

 

[Gulzakar]

pretty much

I think women make up for sheer size and strength with mind games...I'd rather take a severe beating than fall in love with a fickle female. I'm serious. Want to lose weight fast? TRy falling for a girl who doesn t know what she wants, except that she wants to fish around...happened to me about 5-6 years ago...I lost 40 pounds!