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your reaction on the ruling of the teen school shooter

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA020815Andy_williams_sentenced.html

what do you think of the sentence? Most school shooters are social outcasts which gets bullied or ignored. Is that the root of the problem? How should we deal with school bullies? I guess school bullies are around the globe but so far American teenagers (or Americans in general) have very little respect over anyone/anything, at least that's what public school kids are. Maybe it's just California...
 
Originally posted by: kenleung
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA020815Andy_williams_sentenced.html

what do you think of the sentence? Most school shooters are social outcasts which gets bullied or ignored. Is that the root of the problem? How should we deal with school bullies? I guess school bullies are around the globe but so far American teenagers (or Americans in general) have very little respect over anyone/anything, at least that's what public school kids are. Maybe it's just California...
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What's new? Bullies, or school shootings?

There have been bullies since the beginning of recorded history. But school shootings are new. To blame one on the other is illogical.
 
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: kenleung
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA020815Andy_williams_sentenced.html

what do you think of the sentence? Most school shooters are social outcasts which gets bullied or ignored. Is that the root of the problem? How should we deal with school bullies? I guess school bullies are around the globe but so far American teenagers (or Americans in general) have very little respect over anyone/anything, at least that's what public school kids are. Maybe it's just California...
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What's new? Bullies, or school shootings?

There have been bullies since the beginning of recorded history. But school shootings are new. To blame one on the other is illogical.
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I'm not. I know bullies are everywhere around the globe but why is it that school shooting happens so often in the US? School shooting happens in some other forms elsewhere (like triads chop you up in China, Hong Kong, places like that) but why does it happen so much NOW? Guns have always been around ...
 
Originally posted by: kenleung
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: kenleung
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA020815Andy_williams_sentenced.html

what do you think of the sentence? Most school shooters are social outcasts which gets bullied or ignored. Is that the root of the problem? How should we deal with school bullies? I guess school bullies are around the globe but so far American teenagers (or Americans in general) have very little respect over anyone/anything, at least that's what public school kids are. Maybe it's just California...
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What's new? Bullies, or school shootings?

There have been bullies since the beginning of recorded history. But school shootings are new. To blame one on the other is illogical.
Click to expand...

I'm not. I know bullies are everywhere around the globe but why is it that school shooting happens so often in the US? School shooting happens in some other forms elsewhere (like triads chop you up in China, Hong Kong, places like that) but why does it happen so much NOW? Guns have always been around ...
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I agree. We can rule out bullies and guns. So what has changed to have caused this?
 
If you ask me, kids nowadays are showing less and less respect for their superiors. I just think of how school was when my dad probably went and I don't imagine that the kids acted the same as we do now. Kids just have no respect
 
i have to say the culture has changed greatly (media and attitude is part of it)

but how does that *actually* relate to school shooting or just more and more violence in general?
 
Originally posted by: spankyOO7
50 years can't replace the 2 innocent students he murdered.
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nothing can replace the 2 innocent student's lives. your point is...? putting him in prison for life isn't going to replace their lives either.
 
Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
If you ask me, kids nowadays are showing less and less respect for their superiors. I just think of how school was when my dad probably went and I don't imagine that the kids acted the same as we do now. Kids just have no respect
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And, let me add that people in general exhibit less respect for all those around them, both superiors and peers. We are turning into a very egocentric world.

 
Less discipline, more emphasis on "self-esteem" (whether deserved or not)?
Ingrained acceptance of violence in American media? (i.e. why is violence somehow ok in the media while sex is not?)

Just some obvious thoughts..
 
I agree. We can rule out bullies and guns. So what has changed to have caused this?
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Self-centered idiots with anger management problems think they'll look cool on tv and everyone will know their story? Perhaps all of the "he's only a child!" bs from the past makes it seem like it won't have major consequences to them.

 
Originally posted by: Jfur
I agree. We can rule out bullies and guns. So what has changed to have caused this?
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Self-centered idiots with anger management problems think they'll look cool on tv and everyone will know their story? Perhaps all of the "he's only a child!" bs from the past makes it seem like it won't have major consequences to them.
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irrelevant. school shooters one and only purpose is to kill as many as they can. "they'll look cool on tv" is definitely not true.

perhaps they're *really* kids and don't know what they're doing. Even a lot of adults can't control that. California's new (not exactly new) law aimed for serious teenage crime just like this one. How is a kid suppose to be OK when he's hammered everyday in school? people deal with their problems in different way. In asian countries, student kill themselves when they can't stand the pressure from homeworks, not the teachers who gave them homework. the last school shooting in Germany was different, where the teen killed because he failed abitur (don't know the exact story there)
 
Originally posted by: kenleung
i have to say the culture has changed greatly (media and attitude is part of it)

but how does that *actually* relate to school shooting or just more and more violence in general?
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I have ideas, but nothing I could say I'm sure about. One thing is sure though, not all change is good. Some folks out there need to realize that being "progresssive" in all areas tends to ignore what life has taught human kind over thousands of years.
 
I like his tearful appology. WTF did he think the outcome of this was going to be. At some point, it seems like he'd go "I'm going to go on a shooting spree and then..." I guess he showed those bullies.

I just can't imagine spending 50 years in prison from age 15.
 
Originally posted by: kenleung
Originally posted by: Jfur
I agree. We can rule out bullies and guns. So what has changed to have caused this?
Click to expand...

Self-centered idiots with anger management problems think they'll look cool on tv and everyone will know their story? Perhaps all of the "he's only a child!" bs from the past makes it seem like it won't have major consequences to them.
Click to expand...

irrelevant. school shooters one and only purpose is to kill as many as they can. "they'll look cool on tv" is definitely not true.

perhaps they're *really* kids and don't know what they're doing. Even a lot of adults can't control that. California's new (not exactly new) law aimed for serious teenage crime just like this one. How is a kid suppose to be OK when he's hammered everyday in school? people deal with their problems in different way. In asian countries, student kill themselves when they can't stand the pressure from homeworks, not the teachers who gave them homework. the last school shooting in Germany was different, where the teen killed because he failed abitur (don't know the exact story there)
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So if the media did not spend weeks (or years) covering things like Columbine, you think this would happen as often? At the very least, it gives the more immature one ideas. I simply do not believe that anyone over the age of 5 would for a moment think it is appropriate to shoot and kill people. If someone is 15, there is no way on earth that they can be called a "child". Not fully mature, sure. But there is no ambiguity about shooting a bunch of people. It's not something one does by accident. Either they are mentally whack or simply cannot control themselves. In either case, they don't belong on the street.
 
Originally posted by: Jfur
Originally posted by: kenleung
Originally posted by: Jfur
I agree. We can rule out bullies and guns. So what has changed to have caused this?
Click to expand...

Self-centered idiots with anger management problems think they'll look cool on tv and everyone will know their story? Perhaps all of the "he's only a child!" bs from the past makes it seem like it won't have major consequences to them.
Click to expand...

irrelevant. school shooters one and only purpose is to kill as many as they can. "they'll look cool on tv" is definitely not true.

perhaps they're *really* kids and don't know what they're doing. Even a lot of adults can't control that. California's new (not exactly new) law aimed for serious teenage crime just like this one. How is a kid suppose to be OK when he's hammered everyday in school? people deal with their problems in different way. In asian countries, student kill themselves when they can't stand the pressure from homeworks, not the teachers who gave them homework. the last school shooting in Germany was different, where the teen killed because he failed abitur (don't know the exact story there)
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So if the media did not spend weeks (or years) covering things like Columbine, you think this would happen as often? At the very least, it gives the more immature one ideas. I simply do not believe that anyone over the age of 5 would for a moment think it is appropriate to shoot and kill people. If someone is 15, there is no way on earth that they can be called a "child". Not fully mature, sure. But there is no ambiguity about shooting a bunch of people. It's not something one does by accident. Either they are mentally whack or simply cannot control themselves. In either case, they don't belong on the street.
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you do realize majority of american teens do not give a sh!t about what's going on and does not watch news on TV right?
 
Originally posted by: kenleung
Originally posted by: Jfur
Originally posted by: kenleung
Originally posted by: Jfur
I agree. We can rule out bullies and guns. So what has changed to have caused this?
Click to expand...

Self-centered idiots with anger management problems think they'll look cool on tv and everyone will know their story? Perhaps all of the "he's only a child!" bs from the past makes it seem like it won't have major consequences to them.
Click to expand...

irrelevant. school shooters one and only purpose is to kill as many as they can. "they'll look cool on tv" is definitely not true.

perhaps they're *really* kids and don't know what they're doing. Even a lot of adults can't control that. California's new (not exactly new) law aimed for serious teenage crime just like this one. How is a kid suppose to be OK when he's hammered everyday in school? people deal with their problems in different way. In asian countries, student kill themselves when they can't stand the pressure from homeworks, not the teachers who gave them homework. the last school shooting in Germany was different, where the teen killed because he failed abitur (don't know the exact story there)
Click to expand...

So if the media did not spend weeks (or years) covering things like Columbine, you think this would happen as often? At the very least, it gives the more immature one ideas. I simply do not believe that anyone over the age of 5 would for a moment think it is appropriate to shoot and kill people. If someone is 15, there is no way on earth that they can be called a "child". Not fully mature, sure. But there is no ambiguity about shooting a bunch of people. It's not something one does by accident. Either they are mentally whack or simply cannot control themselves. In either case, they don't belong on the street.
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you do realize majority of american teens do not give a sh!t about what's going on and does not watch news on TV right?
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I'm quite certain the majority of teens hear about events like Columbine rather quickly, whether they watch it on tv or hear abut it through word of mouth. Would you prefer to believe there's some mystical spell cast upon the nation that causes these similar events 😉 It's likely a combination of factors, but awareness of other events is certainly an influence in at least some of the shootings.

 
It isnt one single solitary thing that has changed. Bullies have always been around. But the media gets worse and worse every day. Guns get easier to get and more powerful every day. The internet showed kids how to make bombs. I'm sure playing violent video games had an inkling of an effect by now. And just general cultural changes. Maybe they listened to too much "I'm not gonna take this sh*t anymore" nu metal.

Its not one thing, its the combination of all of the above.

Who knows, maybe this is actually whats needed to get the bullies to chill out. Life is cheap anyway.
 
Originally posted by: kenleung
Originally posted by: Jfur
Originally posted by: kenleung
Originally posted by: Jfur
I agree. We can rule out bullies and guns. So what has changed to have caused this?
Click to expand...

Self-centered idiots with anger management problems think they'll look cool on tv and everyone will know their story? Perhaps all of the "he's only a child!" bs from the past makes it seem like it won't have major consequences to them.
Click to expand...

irrelevant. school shooters one and only purpose is to kill as many as they can. "they'll look cool on tv" is definitely not true.

perhaps they're *really* kids and don't know what they're doing. Even a lot of adults can't control that. California's new (not exactly new) law aimed for serious teenage crime just like this one. How is a kid suppose to be OK when he's hammered everyday in school? people deal with their problems in different way. In asian countries, student kill themselves when they can't stand the pressure from homeworks, not the teachers who gave them homework. the last school shooting in Germany was different, where the teen killed because he failed abitur (don't know the exact story there)
Click to expand...

So if the media did not spend weeks (or years) covering things like Columbine, you think this would happen as often? At the very least, it gives the more immature one ideas. I simply do not believe that anyone over the age of 5 would for a moment think it is appropriate to shoot and kill people. If someone is 15, there is no way on earth that they can be called a "child". Not fully mature, sure. But there is no ambiguity about shooting a bunch of people. It's not something one does by accident. Either they are mentally whack or simply cannot control themselves. In either case, they don't belong on the street.
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you do realize majority of american teens do not give a sh!t about what's going on and does not watch news on TV right?
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That does not mean they are not exposed and influenced by the media. Another example of this is the recent spate of child abduction stories. From the media frenzy surrounding these cases now one would think that they are on a steep increse when in fact they have been on the decline.
 
Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Originally posted by: kenleung http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA020815Andy_williams_sentenced.html what do you think of the sentence? Most school shooters are social outcasts which gets bullied or ignored. Is that the root of the problem? How should we deal with school bullies? I guess school bullies are around the globe but so far American teenagers (or Americans in general) have very little respect over anyone/anything, at least that's what public school kids are. Maybe it's just California...
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What's new? Bullies, or school shootings? There have been bullies since the beginning of recorded history. But school shootings are new. To blame one on the other is illogical.
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Well, the difference between the bullies of old (as far as I can make out that is) is that before all this media saturation, you got bullied for being weak. Nowadays, you not only get bullied, you get ostrasized by everyone and get beat up by the bullies because you don't fit in, because you can think for yourself .. because you dare to think for yourself. When I was in high school I used to fantasize about killing half the kids there, and I can bet that many on this board probably harbour the same memories. Now, I'de never actually do it, the difference between a vengeful daydream and actually going out and making bombs/buying guns is large.
Now, I just reread my original thesis up there, and I am wrong ... maybe there's just more guns nowadays than there used to be? Maybe kids are desensitized?
 
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