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Your opinions on buying hardware at this time....

Recently, I have found that my garbage 9800se doesn't handle new games like BF2 very well. So I've been thinking about possible upgrades/rebuilding. I just wanted to know what people thought about buying CPUs and video cards right now. Would it be worth waiting for 64bit processors considering they are still somewhat new? Will prices for video cards drop due to new product? I mean, I know that the 7800's are new, but I haven't noticed much change except with the 7800s themselves. I also understand that I could wait forever because there is always something new coming out. Tell me what you think.
 
64-bit processors have been out for quite a while.
A good chunk on AT users are on Athlon 64 systems right now.

Unless you're looking to drop a lot of money into a new system, I wouldn't go for a $500 to $600 videocard.

Something along the lines of an X800XL or 6800gt offer a good price/performance ratio.
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
64-bit processors have been out for quite a while.
A good chunk on AT users are on Athlon 64 systems right now.

Unless you're looking to drop a lot of money into a new system, I wouldn't go for a $500 to $600 videocard.

Something along the lines of an X800XL or 6800gt offer a good price/performance ratio.

I guess you're right, but I've heard alot about people having trouble with 64-bit drivers. Also, I don't know how good the 64-bit version of windows is. I'm not sure if right now would be the smartest choice to build.
 
You don't need 64-bit windows to run a 64-bit processor.

A64s are great at running 32-bit stuff. I think a lot of people here bought A64s for their excellent gaming and overall performance vs P4, not for 64-bit capability.
 
I know you don't need the 64 bit version, but I thought that going with a 64-bit OS would be the way to go. In the end, how much faster would the 3000+ Venice run compared to a 3200+ Athlon?
 
I know you don't need the 64 bit version, but I thought that going with a 64-bit OS would be the way to go.

Not yet...there aren't enough applications around that use the 64-bit instructions/extra registers to make a 64-bit OS justifiable (unless you are planning on running a server, in which case there are a number of 64-bit applications that may be of interest to you). Also as already noted 64-bit drivers can be hard to come by. If you only need chipset and video drivers then you probably won't have too much trouble finding things and could go to 64-bit Windows if you wanted. However, if you have an older PCI device (like a wireless card, or a TV capture card, etc.) you'll likely be unable to find any drivers to make it work under XP-64 right now.

how much faster would the 3000+ Venice run compared to a 3200+ Athlon?

I think you may be a bit confused by the nomenclature here. A 3000+ Venice is still an Athlon (well, Athlon64 anyways)..."Venice" refers to the core revision that it has. I assume by "3200+ Athlon" you are referring to a 3200+ Winchester based Athlon64? If this is the case, then the two will perform about the same at stock settings (the 3200+ will still be slightly faster). When overclocking however, the 3000+ Venice based chip should let you hit a higher clock speed than the 3200+ non-Venice...so it really depends if you plan on overclocking or not.

Anyways, on the original topic, I personally think now is a bad time to be buying PC components (most notably CPU's and graphics cards) unless you absolutely need a new/faster system now. Dual-core chips have just recently become available, but they are still very expensive. Similarly, nVidia has released its next-generation chip, which should shortly drive down prices of the 6xxx parts, and also ATI will probably follow suit with its next-gen chip sometime soon, and this should drive down the cost of the 7xxx nVidia parts (and of course the costs will naturally come down over time). If you can afford to wait a bit, I'd say give it about 4 to 6 months (until around holiday-time), and then you should be able to pick up an Athlon X2 4200+ or 4400+ for in the neighborhood of $200 or so, and a 7800-class graphics card for about the same.
 
Originally posted by: Hacp
I think he means athlon xp. THe venice would rape the xp.

I apologize...yes, XP. I just wasn't sure how much better the 64's run. I guess I've been lazy in not researching it enough.
 
Yes, the Athlon64 would perform much better than the Athlon XP. Keep in mind that the non-socket 754 flavor of AMD's current low-end chip, the Sempron, is essentially a rebranded Athlon XP chip, so if you went that route, you'd basically be getting the equivalent of a low-end Sempron. The Athlon64 will perform better and be much more future-proof (assuming you go with a socket 939 version) than the Athlon XP.
 
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