Your Black Muslim Bakery, more softness on faith-based thuggery

[iamaelephant]

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...Now, I'm just asking, but: rape, polygamy, intimidation, torture, murder, all these actions emanating from one address and some of them performed in the name of a fanatical ideology. What does it take before the police decide to raid the premises? Should we wait until unveiled women are attacked on the street or until honor killings or female circumcision take hold? ....

...My question was answered last Friday, when the Oakland Police Department finally did storm the premises, along with three neighboring homes, and arrested seven people, including Yusuf Bey IV. This, however, was too late to save the life of Chauncey Bailey, the well-liked editor of the black-owned Oakland Post, who had decided to take up where the East Bay Express had left off and to investigate the finances of YBMB. He was shot dead last Thursday in broad daylight on an Oakland street. A young handyman from YBMB named Devaughndre Broussard has been charged in the Bailey case, and other members of the group are being investigated for involvement in the earlier crimes....

Another shining example of a poisonous faith that has PC weaklings falling over themselves to defend it while they try to poison the western world with their archaic and dangerous beliefs. Everyone needs to stop walking on eggshells around Muslims and start asserting that here in the western world we respect the beliefs and faiths of everyone and anyone, so long as they don't put an undue burden on us. Islam has shown itself time and time again to be a intolerant and unacceptable burden to anyone who choses not to share their beliefs and dare speak out against them.

 

[Aimster]

Yeah and sending reporters to interview people in Compton, California who are "non-Muslims" would definitely turn up better results.
"rolls eyes"

This has nothing to do with Islam. Linking it to Islam shows you lack common sense. I bet a 4th grade class could tell you this has nothing to do with Islam either.
The fact that they are Muslim has zero to do with their life of crime.

Maybe if you stopped reading b.s websites and actually picked up a major newspaper, then you would see hundreds of violent crimes committed by non-Muslims. To suggest that Islam was a result of their decision to lead a life of crime is simply STUPID.

 

[jonks]

So as a good Constitution loving American, you'd say it's fair game for white supremacists to exist, form groups and advocate their positions, deny the holocaust, etc, but Muslims, the overwhelming majority of whom preach and practice peace, need to go.

Or are you saying the Nazi's should be outlawed too? Naturally black power groups would have to be banned as well. And hey, why not outlaw anyone else you disagree with?

Maybe we should ban Christianity every time some jerk blows up an abortion clinic or kills a doctor? Ban Judaism every time another bad sitcom is premiered?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
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...Now, I'm just asking, but: rape, polygamy, intimidation, torture, murder, all these actions emanating from one address and some of them performed in the name of a fanatical ideology. What does it take before the police decide to raid the premises? Should we wait until unveiled women are attacked on the street or until honor killings or female circumcision take hold? ....

...My question was answered last Friday, when the Oakland Police Department finally did storm the premises, along with three neighboring homes, and arrested seven people, including Yusuf Bey IV. This, however, was too late to save the life of Chauncey Bailey, the well-liked editor of the black-owned Oakland Post, who had decided to take up where the East Bay Express had left off and to investigate the finances of YBMB. He was shot dead last Thursday in broad daylight on an Oakland street. A young handyman from YBMB named Devaughndre Broussard has been charged in the Bailey case, and other members of the group are being investigated for involvement in the earlier crimes....

Another shining example of a poisonous faith that has PC weaklings falling over themselves to defend it while they try to poison the western world with their archaic and dangerous beliefs. Everyone needs to stop walking on eggshells around Muslims and start asserting that here in the western world we respect the beliefs and faiths of everyone and anyone, so long as they don't put an undue burden on us. Islam has shown itself time and time again to be a intolerant and unacceptable burden to anyone who choses not to share their beliefs and dare speak out against them.

I'm as hardcore atheistic as you can get. And i would love to see the world rid of every religion that has a god, but you can't just target one religion and not others. We do live in a free society. If we do get rid of religion, i certainly won't want it to stop at Muslims, but we should target Christians and Jews as well. If we can't do that, how about just targeting criminal behaviour regardless of religion.

 

[Jaskalas]

but you can't just target one religion and not others.

One religion has targeted us. It is like allowing a declaration of war and the bloodshed that follows to go unnoticed without a proper response of war.

Regardless, this topic is more of a typical crime. At this point I will refrain the considering this act of war ? doing so just doesn?t make sense. It is small scale, personal, and the type of typical crime.

This is not the same as riding around with pipe bombs or planning a special ops raid against Fort Dix.

 

[Aimster]

lol @ riding around in pipe bombs

do a back log search of pipe bombs in the news. You will find hundreds of articles.

18% of ATOT said it would be OK to murder someone simply because they were Muslim. Sounds just on par with the polls that Muslims take against non-Muslims.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
So as a good Constitution loving American, you'd say it's fair game for white supremacists to exist, form groups and advocate their positions, deny the holocaust, etc, but Muslims, the overwhelming majority of whom preach and practice peace, need to go.

Or are you saying the Nazi's should be outlawed too? Naturally black power groups would have to be banned as well. And hey, why not outlaw anyone else you disagree with?

Maybe we should ban Christianity every time some jerk blows up an abortion clinic or kills a doctor? Ban Judaism every time another bad sitcom is premiered?

1. Hyperbole gets you no where.

2. There is allowance for peaceful disagreement, these people don't care to do it peacefully.

3. We don't have to because the other Christians, including many of the police who worked the cases, caught the perps and they are in jail. They were dealt with forcefully and others were shown this was not acceptable within the Christian community. So, when was the last one? Also, just how many different people were involved? Did we have stories of preachers telling flocks to go burn down unbelievers homes and kill them? Did they have convert or die nights?


What it comes down to is that we are too damn PC when it comes to Muslim whackos in this country because people are afraid of offending them.

So you have a bunch of indignant so called enligthened people (read liberal professors and journalist) who sit around sipping their lattes, nod or silently smile at the latest Bush/Cheney jokes, who have determined that.
1. These muslims need special treatment because they are part of the 3rd world savagery
2. As such, its not fair to hold them to standards we hold others too
3. As such, we must turn away while they commit atrocities until they are given time to grow out of it
4. As such, anyone not understanding the above is a bigot or racist.

Basically its the African savage all over again. Treat them with kid gloves because the same people saying we must do so view them as sub-human and needing their assistance to come into the real world. The problem is that just as its with many young children only stern actions work.

Turn the other cheek for too long and this is the result, a prominent person of the society is silenced by the zealotry of this group. This stuff doesn't just happen over night, they are being raised this way and people know it. The difference is, they have figured out how to use the system against us to keep anyone from doing something about them. They will intimidate us to no end as long as their means are accomplished.

Too bad that the people protecting them forget the underlying foundation of our nation, you are free to do as you please provided it does not deny another of life, liberty, or freedom.

So until we stomp on a few heads these people are not going to change. When

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
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...Now, I'm just asking, but: rape, polygamy, intimidation, torture, murder, all these actions emanating from one address and some of them performed in the name of a fanatical ideology. What does it take before the police decide to raid the premises? Should we wait until unveiled women are attacked on the street or until honor killings or female circumcision take hold? ....

...My question was answered last Friday, when the Oakland Police Department finally did storm the premises, along with three neighboring homes, and arrested seven people, including Yusuf Bey IV. This, however, was too late to save the life of Chauncey Bailey, the well-liked editor of the black-owned Oakland Post, who had decided to take up where the East Bay Express had left off and to investigate the finances of YBMB. He was shot dead last Thursday in broad daylight on an Oakland street. A young handyman from YBMB named Devaughndre Broussard has been charged in the Bailey case, and other members of the group are being investigated for involvement in the earlier crimes....

Another shining example of a poisonous faith that has PC weaklings falling over themselves to defend it while they try to poison the western world with their archaic and dangerous beliefs. Everyone needs to stop walking on eggshells around Muslims and start asserting that here in the western world we respect the beliefs and faiths of everyone and anyone, so long as they don't put an undue burden on us. Islam has shown itself time and time again to be a intolerant and unacceptable burden to anyone who choses not to share their beliefs and dare speak out against them.

Good grief, why not do what you claim you hate, spread poisonous intolerance around.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Aimster
lol @ riding around in pipe bombs

do a back log search of pipe bombs in the news. You will find hundreds of articles.

18% of ATOT said it would be OK to murder someone simply because they were Muslim. Sounds just on par with the polls that Muslims take against non-Muslims.

Jakalas is on lone from Nazi Germany and is trying out a new theme to see if Jew can be replaced by Muslim.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
One religion has targeted us. It is like allowing a declaration of war and the bloodshed that follows to go unnoticed without a proper response of war.

That's ridiculous. Islam doesn't have a caliph that would justify a holy war. All calls for holy war are illegal. Perhaps the biggest mistake the west made was ending the caliphate in 1914. Had there be a caliph, there would either have been a full scale war or nothing. Muslims would have listened to him. Islamic countries may declare war but Islam itself can not. I can't say you are much better than those few muslims that would justify killing all jew because of the actions of Israel.

 

[jpeyton]

Was this terrorism or just violent crime?

I know plenty of "Italian" restaurants we can raid in Brooklyn; doesn't mean we should profile all Italians for murder.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
One religion has targeted us. It is like allowing a declaration of war and the bloodshed that follows to go unnoticed without a proper response of war.

That's ridiculous. Islam doesn't have a caliph that would justify a holy war. All calls for holy war are illegal. Perhaps the biggest mistake the west made was ending the caliphate in 1914. Had there be a caliph, there would either have been a full scale war or nothing. Muslims would have listened to him. Islamic countries may declare war but Islam itself can not. I can't say you are much better than those few muslims that would justify killing all jew because of the actions of Israel.

What, currently, is preventing the Islamic world from re-establishing the Caliphate?

 

[magomago]

Actually I'm confused as to Green Bean's statement. The "caliph" is just a title that the Ottomons claimed as they were more powerful - and one of its great uses was that it was used as a justification of invading other Muslim Lands.

Googling brings up some interesting information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Caliphate

As the Ottoman Empire grew in size and strength, Ottoman rulers beginning with Mehmed II began to claim caliphal authority. Mehmed II and his grandson Selim used it to justify their conquest of Islamic countries.

As the Ottoman Empire grew in size and strength, Ottoman rulers beginning with Mehmed II began to claim caliphal authority. Mehmed II and his grandson Selim used it to justify their conquest of Islamic countries.

As you can see - there is no "formal"process of estbalishing the caliph, nor did the ottomons inhert it.

The caliph - in religious terms it is a person who would help represent the "Muslim Community".

But in real historical terms - the caliph is usually just a political ruler of some sort who realizes he can claim divine authority by claiming the title of caliph.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
One religion has targeted us. It is like allowing a declaration of war and the bloodshed that follows to go unnoticed without a proper response of war.

That's ridiculous. Islam doesn't have a caliph that would justify a holy war. All calls for holy war are illegal. Perhaps the biggest mistake the west made was ending the caliphate in 1914. Had there be a caliph, there would either have been a full scale war or nothing. Muslims would have listened to him. Islamic countries may declare war but Islam itself can not. I can't say you are much better than those few muslims that would justify killing all jew because of the actions of Israel.

What, currently, is preventing the Islamic world from re-establishing the Caliphate?

Because "the Islamic world" doesn't hold a board meeting every month and collectively decide what to do.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

but you can't just target one religion and not others.

One religion has targeted us. It is like allowing a declaration of war and the bloodshed that follows to go unnoticed without a proper response of war.

Regardless, this topic is more of a typical crime. At this point I will refrain the considering this act of war ? doing so just doesn?t make sense. It is small scale, personal, and the type of typical crime.

This is not the same as riding around with pipe bombs or planning a special ops raid against Fort Dix.

Actually, it's more like responding to Pearl Harbor by declaring war on China because "Asians attacked us".

Seriously, this is all some sort of act to back up your xenophobic worldview, right? You guys can't possibly be this dumb...

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
One religion has targeted us. It is like allowing a declaration of war and the bloodshed that follows to go unnoticed without a proper response of war.

That's ridiculous. Islam doesn't have a caliph that would justify a holy war. All calls for holy war are illegal. Perhaps the biggest mistake the west made was ending the caliphate in 1914. Had there be a caliph, there would either have been a full scale war or nothing. Muslims would have listened to him. Islamic countries may declare war but Islam itself can not. I can't say you are much better than those few muslims that would justify killing all jew because of the actions of Israel.

What, currently, is preventing the Islamic world from re-establishing the Caliphate?

Because shias and sunnis have vastly different ideas about who can be the caliph.

 

[Aimster]

A) people are selfish and if they can be dictators they will be dictators as it is seen in many Muslim nations.

B) the largest Muslim nations have a democratic system. The people of those nations feel it is best to elect their leaders.

By going back to the Caliphate, dictators and democratic systems would be lost.
It would be like the U.S giving power to the Church.

While many people in the U.S are religious (by name), I don't think the majority of those religious people would want to be ruled by the Church. Same probably goes for the Muslim world.

Most of the Muslim world is moderate. Just like most of the Christian world is moderate. People in Muslim nations probably watch Jesus camp videos on YouTube and watch all those extremists Sunday morning biblical talk shows and go w t f. Same goes for the Christians who watch all those crazy videos of Muslims.
...We don't see that we are all pretty much the same, but usually judged because we only are presented with a small slice of the pie.
If the majority of the world was die-hard religious, then we would be having serious problems.